Lost generation rubbish...

[RedJ]

So if they're not prepared to invest are the players being paid with magic beans?

[Savvy]

Cool story, now tell me where you find this room full of people who are both Rovers fanatics and multi multi millionaires? Do you not think if they were out there they would have invested already?

Did you read my post? who said anything about multi millionaires? Apparently we have millionaires on the board already, but what good are they if they are not prepared to invest. The current board don't even appear to have a coherent view of the future of the club let alone be prepared to invest!!

I think this bit from your blueprint sort of says we need multi millionaires

Having a boardroom full of people committed to providing the necessary funds to maintain championship status, and not expecting the manager to sell the family silver at the end of the season to balance the books

You interpret how you wish fella!

[Filo]

Cool story, now tell me where you find this room full of people who are both Rovers fanatics and multi multi millionaires? Do you not think if they were out there they would have invested already?

Did you read my post? who said anything about multi millionaires? Apparently we have millionaires on the board already, but what good are they if they are not prepared to invest. The current board don't even appear to have a coherent view of the future of the club let alone be prepared to invest!!

I think this bit from your blueprint sort of says we need multi millionaires

Having a boardroom full of people committed to providing the necessary funds to maintain championship status, and not expecting the manager to sell the family silver at the end of the season to balance the books

You interpret how you wish fella!

How much would you consider the necessary funds to be?

[Boomstick]

Bristol City's losses in the season they were relegated were £13m. They went down with a total debt of £60m, which you could say was money spent trying to compete in the Championship. This is the debt on crowds of 16-17k. So if £60m wont keep you in the Championship - how much should we have spent on our average crowds (to bring this back to topic)?

Bristol city should NOT have gone down, any half decently run club could reach the play offs with that budget.
Perhaps Bristol city's relegation was linked to an ex player of theirs (and ours) Touched on by dn4ever in another thread about Said players seedy underworld life.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

My blueprint would be as follows;

Have a boardroom full of people who have the interest of Doncaster Rovers at their heart, not people who openly admit to not having an interest in football.

Have a boardroom full of people who are committed to improving the club's stature within the football league, just because we have been primarily a lower league club in our history that should not be a reason for seeing our future as a league one club!!!!

Having a boardroom full of people who are committed to getting us into the championship and keeping us in the divison to the point where we become an established championship side, which I believe is where a town the size of Doncaster deserves to be, and, had it not been for a lack of investment we would have still been there now!

Employing a manager capable of getting us back into the championship and then having a target of 61 points a season (the average) in order to keep us in the division until we become an established championship team.

Having a boardroom full of people committed to providing the necessary funds to maintain championship status, and not expecting the manager to sell the family silver at the end of the season to balance the books. Please note that doesn't include putting bids in for Messi/Suarez et al, pure and simply players of the quality to keep us in the division.

That's an impressive tick box list, I'm sure we'd all say was highly desirable.

I detect your view of the current regime may be influenced by a certain outgoing chairman. Clearly TB and DW etc ARE interested in the club. They may not be as fanatical as JR but they are shrewd businessmen.

IMHO I think they invested in the manager that JR appointed sufficiently to keep us up. I don't think it's their fault we went down.

Shrewd businessmen are always on the lookout for new opportunities/new investors whilst trying to be as successful as possible with what resources a manager says he needs.

I think they regime we have is probably closer to what you desire than you actually think. The alternative of what the takeover had on offer was further away from what you desire once you remove the spin. 

To date, TB and DW have put in more than what was on the table from those behind Sequentia (Who don't give a toss about Doncaster Rovers FC). TB and DW can sustain this club in the longer term whilst there is little evidence, and more uncertainty, about what the objectives of the hedge fund were once JR was out of the way.   

I suspect there is very little that can be said to change your view. Unless a couple more very wealthy local businessmen emerge from the shadows then what we have is the best you are likely to get and personally, I am grateful to them.

 

 

 

[Savvy]

Cool story, now tell me where you find this room full of people who are both Rovers fanatics and multi multi millionaires? Do you not think if they were out there they would have invested already?

Did you read my post? who said anything about multi millionaires? Apparently we have millionaires on the board already, but what good are they if they are not prepared to invest. The current board don't even appear to have a coherent view of the future of the club let alone be prepared to invest!!

I think this bit from your blueprint sort of says we need multi millionaires

Having a boardroom full of people committed to providing the necessary funds to maintain championship status, and not expecting the manager to sell the family silver at the end of the season to balance the books

You interpret how you wish fella!

How much would you consider the necessary funds to be?

As I said, sufficent funds that would enable a manager to achieve an average season of 61 points! Given that the long term ambition of the club would be to increase the fan base by being one of the "vogue" clubs. Let's face it the other local clubs who historical have played at a higher level and therefore attracted the interest of younger supporters (Leeds and Sheff Wed) are both doing their best to put them our way.  Don't forget if we'd have stayed up, we'd have been at their level, so rather than be frowned upon as lower league minions, we'd have been eating at the same table as them! Up to 4 years ago I thought that this WAS the glorious plan,  how wrong was I.

[RedJ]

Aye I'm sure they couldn't get us relegated fast enough.

[Filo]

Cool story, now tell me where you find this room full of people who are both Rovers fanatics and multi multi millionaires? Do you not think if they were out there they would have invested already?

Did you read my post? who said anything about multi millionaires? Apparently we have millionaires on the board already, but what good are they if they are not prepared to invest. The current board don't even appear to have a coherent view of the future of the club let alone be prepared to invest!!

I think this bit from your blueprint sort of says we need multi millionaires

Having a boardroom full of people committed to providing the necessary funds to maintain championship status, and not expecting the manager to sell the family silver at the end of the season to balance the books

You interpret how you wish fella!

How much would you consider the necessary funds to be?

As I said, sufficent funds that would enable a manager to achieve an average season of 61 points! Given that the long term ambition of the club would be to increase the fan base by being one of the "vogue" clubs. Let's face it the other local clubs who historical have played at a higher level and therefore attracted the interest of younger supporters (Leeds and Sheff Wed) are both doing their best to put them our way.  Don't forget if we'd have stayed up, we'd have been at their level, so rather than be frowned upon as lower league minions, we'd have been eating at the same table as them! Up to 4 years ago I thought that this WAS the glorious plan,  how wrong was I.

A lot of waffle to avoid the question, I'll ask you again, what do you consider sufficient funds?

[Bentley Bullet]

We were crying out for a decent striker for much of the season. When Sharp arrived our results lifted us into 3rd place in the form league, until Wellens got injured and our main creative supply to the forwards was missing.

Had we recruited Sharp, or a player of similar quality at the start of the season, I'm quite sure we wouldn't have been relegated.

It was obvious from the start of the season that a proven striker was needed, so it isn't a case of hindsight.

What's more, the investment of a couple of million quid in a new striker pre-season would have probably kept us up, and paid for itself about three times over by holding onto the six million quid lost due to our impending relegation.

[Muttley]

If my old Dad is to be believed, and there's not many who wouldn't, it was Hubert Bates Esq who was behind the departure from the Rovers of Peter Doherty. Bates didn't like Roman Catholics. I'd like to know why you believe that that departure wasn't a disaster of earth shattering proportions for DRFC Lifelong.

BobG

Bob

You keep repeating this unsubstantiated allegation. As I asked you earlier in the thread, have you got any other examples of Bates' failures etc?

As far as I know, he was the proprietor of a small sports shop on East Laith Gate (forget what it was called, Harrisons perhaps?) so I can't imagine there was a lot of money flowing from that - perhaps he was running the club on a frugal basis just like Bramall & Watson and therefore could not afford to retain players and maybe that was the real reason behind Doherty's departure.

You need to remember that in 1958 the maximum wage was still in force for professional footballers, so they were nothing like as difficult to retain as they are now.

Even in the 1960s, the wages they earned were nothing like they are today, even allowing for inflation. By the same token, clubs did not need wealthy patrons to bankroll them, so it was possible to find a small-time local businessman like Hubert Bates on the board.

From Tony Bluff's book (start of 1950/51 season):
" ...Peter Doherty now upped his demands on the supporters with a call for average gates of 30,000...money was needed for his progressive policies and that had to come through the turnstiles"

Seems like it was ever thus.

It really isn't possible to compare the directors of then with people like Terry Bramall and John Ryan.

I think you'll find I did exactly that

[BillyStubbsTears]

And if the "proven striker" got six studs through his Achilles' tendon on day one? Or if the striker turns out to have forgotten where the back of the net is, like the one that Bournemouth spent £2.5m on. Or like the one that we brought in on loan in January.

What then?

Spend another £2m on another proven striker presumably?

[Bentley Bullet]

All together now.......Investment doesn't guarantee success but the lack of it does guarantee failure.


We'll get there eventually!

[River Don]

All together now.......Investment doesn't guarantee success but the lack of it does guarantee failure.


We'll get there eventually!

We haven't had a lack of investment.

[Savvy]

Cool story, now tell me where you find this room full of people who are both Rovers fanatics and multi multi millionaires? Do you not think if they were out there they would have invested already?

Did you read my post? who said anything about multi millionaires? Apparently we have millionaires on the board already, but what good are they if they are not prepared to invest. The current board don't even appear to have a coherent view of the future of the club let alone be prepared to invest!!

I think this bit from your blueprint sort of says we need multi millionaires

Having a boardroom full of people committed to providing the necessary funds to maintain championship status, and not expecting the manager to sell the family silver at the end of the season to balance the books

You interpret how you wish fella!

How much would you consider the necessary funds to be?

As I said, sufficent funds that would enable a manager to achieve an average season of 61 points! Given that the long term ambition of the club would be to increase the fan base by being one of the "vogue" clubs. Let's face it the other local clubs who historical have played at a higher level and therefore attracted the interest of younger supporters (Leeds and Sheff Wed) are both doing their best to put them our way.  Don't forget if we'd have stayed up, we'd have been at their level, so rather than be frowned upon as lower league minions, we'd have been eating at the same table as them! Up to 4 years ago I thought that this WAS the glorious plan,  how wrong was I.

A lot of waffle to avoid the question, I'll ask you again, what do you consider sufficient funds?

You haven't asked me before though have you?

[River Don]

The only football supporters in the country, right now who are totally happy with the level of investment in their club are Man City.

[Savvy]

Is that an opinion or an actual fact?

[River Don]

It's an opinion and on second thoughts I think it's wrong.

There will be Man City fans who think they need to see much more investment to build on where they are now.

[IDM]

All this b*llocks about investment again, all well and good provided we stay within FFP rules.  We can't take unlimited £millions of extra cash from the owners can we?  Now in League 1, the FFP rules are related to player wages and turnover.

[Muttley]

Well said IDM, it's a point that's perpetually ignored by the dreamers.

[IDM]

Just a thought though - in League 1, if we do keep the wages within the FFP constraints on turnover, does that then mean we can use other forms of investment to support the club outside the first team squad?  By that I mean training ground or stadium upgrades (if required), youth set up etc - all expenses that would in theory come from all the club's income regardless of FFP?

This would free up as much of the turnover as possible for the first team squad?  I don't advocate silly spending, but if FFP in this division only applies to turnover/wages, could we not use "investment" (or underwriting losses) for off field stuff?

[Bentley Bullet]

All this b*llocks about investment again!

[Wild Rover]

Its SO,SO, simple. Recruit 10 players for a million each, pay them 20K a week for a years contract, that's about 20 million all told. As DRFC lose about 5 million a year, its only 4 years losses rolled into 1. If successful 60 odd million comes to club ( 2 promotions ), if not, ah well, DRFC tried.   

[Bentley Bullet]

Now you're talking!

[Savvy]

Well said IDM, it's a point that's perpetually ignored by the dreamers.

The dreamers, or the dare to dreamers?

[Bentley Bullet]

I've had a dream........Dead vivid it was!

[i_ateallthepies]

Stick to your 'dead vivid' dreams BB, I like you much more that way.

[BigColSutherland]

Bristol City's losses in the season they were relegated were £13m. They went down with a total debt of £60m, which you could say was money spent trying to compete in the Championship. This is the debt on crowds of 16-17k. So if £60m wont keep you in the Championship - how much should we have spent on our average crowds (to bring this back to topic)?

Bristol city should NOT have gone down, any half decently run club could reach the play offs with that budget.
Perhaps Bristol city's relegation was linked to an ex player of theirs (and ours) Touched on by dn4ever in another thread about Said players seedy underworld life.

City had the Championship's lowest turnover last year.

McIndoe left them several years ago.

[Donnyjim]

Do you get a prize if you get more that 150 replies to thread? ;-)

[Wellred]

Has somebody lost the brake for this roundabout? It seems to have been going around and around forever.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bristol City's losses in the season they were relegated were £13m. They went down with a total debt of £60m, which you could say was money spent trying to compete in the Championship. This is the debt on crowds of 16-17k. So if £60m wont keep you in the Championship - how much should we have spent on our average crowds (to bring this back to topic)?

Bristol city should NOT have gone down, any half decently run club could reach the play offs with that budget.
Perhaps Bristol city's relegation was linked to an ex player of theirs (and ours) Touched on by dn4ever in another thread about Said players seedy underworld life.

City had the Championship's lowest turnover last year.

McIndoe left them several years ago.

Aye, but here's a spooky thing. Every single club that  McIndoe has signed for has been relegated since he left them.

Jinx, ah tell thi.