Scotland

[Filo]

Can you post a picture or screen shot of said betting slip then we can see your telling the truth

Modesty had prevented me from doing so as I didn't want to make you all jealous but you have impugned my honour so I will post the evidence you require. Now I would be grateful if you could issue an abject apology and in future take me at my word. Thanking you in anticipation of your cooperation.

Would you like to take a screen shot from the current bets tab, rather than the bet slip tab, all you're showing there is a bet before it's been placed, the current bets tab would show you've actually placed the bet

[River Don]

RD

These economies CAN live together in the EZ. The economics of how it should work are really quite straightforward. First you need a central bank that adopts policy for the entire zone, rather than succumb to the frankly childish and irrational German fear of anything remotely resembling inflation. Then you need a system of fiscal transfers from fiscally strong to weak regions. It's that simple.

Of course it's the POLITICS that stops it happening. Specifically, the German attitude. They have benefitted hugely from a Euro which has given them an artificially depressed currency, and they refuse to countenance standing their side of the deal.

The bizarre thing about us in the UK is that we already have the requisite structure in place for a highly successful currency union. And now Salmond wants to rip that up and follow the political example of Europe. Quite mad.

The state of the UK today shows how hard it is to make a currency union and single market work. After three hundred years there's still resentments on both sides and compared to the EU the Scots and English are two peas in a pod, what with sharing a small island and language and largely the same culture and the history of running an empire together.

It's not only the Germans who have problems with making the required sacrifices, it's the Finns and the Dutch and all the others in the North.

If now the Italians and Greeks and Portuguese were able to devalue, they might stand a chance of rebuilding. They could begin to attract the tourists back to their beaches, monuments and galleries. They could begin to hold on to their youth who are currently packing their bags and heading for London and Munich.

[IC1967]

RD

These economies CAN live together in the EZ. The economics of how it should work are really quite straightforward. First you need a central bank that adopts policy for the entire zone, rather than succumb to the frankly childish and irrational German fear of anything remotely resembling inflation. Then you need a system of fiscal transfers from fiscally strong to weak regions. It's that simple.

Of course it's the POLITICS that stops it happening. Specifically, the German attitude. They have benefitted hugely from a Euro which has given them an artificially depressed currency, and they refuse to countenance standing their side of the deal.

The bizarre thing about us in the UK is that we already have the requisite structure in place for a highly successful currency union. And now Salmond wants to rip that up and follow the political example of Europe. Quite mad.

The state of the UK today shows how hard it is to make a currency union and single market work. After three hundred years there's still resentments on both sides and compared to the EU the Scots and English are two peas in a pod, what with sharing a small island and language and largely the same culture and the history of running an empire together.

It's not only the Germans who have problems with making the required sacrifices, it's the Finns and the Dutch and all the others in the North.

If now the Italians and Greeks and Portuguese were able to devalue, they might stand a chance of rebuilding. They could begin to attract the tourists back to their beaches, monuments and galleries. They could begin to hold on to their youth who are currently packing their bags and heading for London and Munich.

Exactly.

[Yargo]

Can you post a picture or screen shot of said betting slip then we can see your telling the truth

Modesty had prevented me from doing so as I didn't want to make you all jealous but you have impugned my honour so I will post the evidence you require. Now I would be grateful if you could issue an abject apology and in future take me at my word. Thanking you in anticipation of your cooperation.

Would you like to take a screen shot from the current bets tab, rather than the bet slip tab, all you're showing there is a bet before it's been placed, the current bets tab would show you've actually placed the bet

That's a no then?

[GazLaz]

Can you post a picture or screen shot of said betting slip then we can see your telling the truth

Modesty had prevented me from doing so as I didn't want to make you all jealous but you have impugned my honour so I will post the evidence you require. Now I would be grateful if you could issue an abject apology and in future take me at my word. Thanking you in anticipation of your cooperation.

Would you like to take a screen shot from the current bets tab, rather than the bet slip tab, all you're showing there is a bet before it's been placed, the current bets tab would show you've actually placed the bet

He must think people are stupid.

[River Don]

Bonny Donny?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11104004/Why-an-historical-anomaly-means-Bonny-Donny-could-leave-the-UK-too.html


If Doncaster is still a part of Scotland, why aren't we all voting today?

[IC1967]

I post a copy of my betslip as requested and still people aren't satisfied! I can't get my breath. I'll be posting another copy of a betslip tomorrow showing the massive profit I've made.

[RobTheRover]

Why are we arguing over the currency?  Kevin Bridges has already revealed it will be called the "smackaroonie"

1:50 in....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2BKrh43rhI

[RedJ]

I post a copy of my betslip as requested and still people aren't satisfied! I can't get my breath. I'll be posting another copy of a betslip tomorrow showing the massive profit I've made.

Because showing the bet slip doesn't show the bet's been placed...

Not that we'd have reason to doubt your gambling prowess, eh? after all, you did tip the National winner...

[The Red Baron]

Bonny Donny?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11104004/Why-an-historical-anomaly-means-Bonny-Donny-could-leave-the-UK-too.html


If Doncaster is still a part of Scotland, why aren't we all voting today?

According to a 900-year-old historical quirk, the small Yorkshire town of Doncaster, 175 miles south of the border, is technically part of Scotland.

Small? Bigger than most Scottish cities, I'd say.

I suppose we could join the SPL and give Celtic some competition.

[dknward2]

I suppose its my fault in saying bet slip but good luck

[IC1967]

I suppose its my fault in saying bet slip but good luck

Thank you for your kind wishes but I don't need any luck. It's an abject apology I'm after. Trust me, I'll be making a right killing tomorrow.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I think you're a liar. Prove with a slip showing the bet placed and I'll apologise.

[Filo]

I think you're a liar. Prove with a slip showing the bet placed and I'll apologise.

I also think you're a lier, and I require the same proof for the same apology, if that proof is not forthcoming today, I expect an abject apology from you Mick

[IC1967]

Look, I've provided the evidence requested. I can understand why people are getting upset as it doesn't seem right that someone can make that kind of money just by being an expert on politics and gambling. I didn't want to brag about my winnings but I was severely provoked. Any reasonable person can see that. It's up to you whether you believe me or not, but I think I've proved beyond doubt on this forum that I am a thoroughly honest, decent person. It surprises me that people keep asking me for proof on everything I post (especially BST).

I've also never had an abject apology off anyone in the past even though I have thoroughly deserved many. I don't think by providing further evidence I'll get one anyway so you'll just have to be happy with the evidence I've already provided and take me at my word. That said, I will provide further evidence tomorrow of the substantial killing I've made as previously promised.

Now I'd be grateful if everyone could just calm down and just accept that some of us have huge knackers when it comes to gambling and deserve the rewards that flow from it.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Erm you haven't provided the proof I requested at all...

[RedJ]

It's up to you whether you believe me or not

Well everyone WOULD believe you if you actually showed the bet as placed rather than a bet ready to be placed... there's absolutely no evidence that you've even placed it that you've provided.

[DRFC-PERKINS]

Bonny Donny?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/scottish-independence/11104004/Why-an-historical-anomaly-means-Bonny-Donny-could-leave-the-UK-too.html


If Doncaster is still a part of Scotland, why aren't we all voting today?

According to a 900-year-old historical quirk, the small Yorkshire town of Doncaster, 175 miles south of the border, is technically part of Scotland.

Small? Bigger than most Scottish cities, I'd say.

I suppose we could join the SPL and give Celtic some competition.

Champions League, yes please.

[River Don]

Not wanting to get involved in this but IC the 'evidence' you have provided doesn't prove you have placed the bet at all.

All it proves is you have taken a look at the odds.

[BillyStubbsTears]

RD

I fundamentally disagree that the state of the UK shows how hard it is to make a currency union work within the context of a fiscally integrated framework.

Scotland has a rather successful economy, even without the oil. What this shows is that disparate parts of a currency union can perform well as long as there are fiscal transfers. Certainly there are frictions brought on by the need to have a single monetary policy, but these can be ameliorated by fiscal transfers between different parts of the union. THIS is the bit that Salmond has been actively avoiding. What the EZ crisis has shown categorically is that, with a unified monetary policy being highly undesirable for countries with diverging economic performances, there is an unarguable requirement for fiscal flows, to cool the overheating parts and boost the under-performing parts of the currency union.

America gets it. They have a relatively efficient method of ensuring fiscal flows between states that are asymmetrically hit by economic problems. So, states such as Nebraska and Florida, which took a huge hit from the sub-prime carnage, have been subsidised by central funds (i.e. taxes from more successful states) and as a result, have ridden out the recession far better than Spain or Ireland. In the case of Spain and Ireland, the Euro core has said, "Tough shit lads. We're having a monetary policy that keeps German inflation low and you can deal with it by having a Great Depression."

As America shows, it does NOT have to be like that. But the idea of German money flowing to fiscally underpin Ireland will simply not wash with the German public. It is perfectly sound economics, but it is politically unacceptable.

And THAT is what Salmond doesn't want to discuss. The consequence of a currency union with rUK is that fiscal transfers must take place. So, if Scotland roars ahead, it will have to fiscally subsidise rUK. Which would be unacceptable to those who vote YES. Or if Scotland suffers, it will have to be fiscally subsidised by rUK. Which is politically acceptable within a United Kingdom. But they can f**k right off if they unilaterally secede from that union.

[Lipsy]

I think we'll wake up tomorrow to a Scotland that has voted for independence. A majority of the electorate are simply not interested in the cold, hard facts anymore. Turned off by Thatcher and the current government (and a million other things that they blame Westminster for), I think Cameron's in for a wee bloody nose in the morning.

I think A LOT of undecideds will be voting 'Yes' and some of the poorest folks in Scotlandshire (who haven't really been polled) will swing it. And then there's those that woke up this morning and thought "Sod it. I'm not going to vote 'No', we can do better on our own." I even think that the result won't be as close as some have predicted.

I will be very surprised if a majority of Scots vote to stay part of the union.

[Lipsy]

Notwithstanding the obvious counter-arguments of this, but IF this is a reflection of the mood in Scotland then independence is coming: http://trendsmap.com/v2/Lf62/w

[BillyStubbsTears]

Lipsy

That trend map means nowt. The SNP have been very active in trying to hijack social media to present a stronger YES front than actually exists. They are so brazen and obvious in doing it, they've even got a name - the CyberNats.

The vote will be comfortably for NO. 5% gap minimum, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was closer to 10%.

[Lipsy]

I know that a) SNP have been complete arses and b) the demographic using Twitter are younger and more likely to use social media to make noise (and vote for independence) - I did say that I was aware of the arguments against holding this up as "proof" and I did use a big 'IF'. I just find it interesting.

I'm standing by what I say, mind. In fact, I would go as far as to say it'll 5%+ for independence. Felt this way for months.

I shan't be pretending to have spent £1000s on a bet and showing a phoney "proof" screengrab, mind. I'll be more than happy to be wrong in the morning. Sadly, I just believe that people in Scotland don't care about the facts and are happy to be rid of what they have now and hope it'll work out - for many, it cannot get any worse than it already is.

[Dagenham Rover]

Well if they vote no I want a referendum on whether we want them in the UK

[Lipsy]

Frankly, if they have been so taken in by that f**ktard Salmond then I tend to agree with you. At least make them sit a competency test of some sort.

[Lipsy]

This: (Warning: It contains muchos swears.)

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQy_bfjy9l4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQy_bfjy9l4</a>

[IC1967]

RD

I fundamentally disagree that the state of the UK shows how hard it is to make a currency union work within the context of a fiscally integrated framework.

Scotland has a rather successful economy, even without the oil. What this shows is that disparate parts of a currency union can perform well as long as there are fiscal transfers. Certainly there are frictions brought on by the need to have a single monetary policy, but these can be ameliorated by fiscal transfers between different parts of the union. THIS is the bit that Salmond has been actively avoiding. What the EZ crisis has shown categorically is that, with a unified monetary policy being highly undesirable for countries with diverging economic performances, there is an unarguable requirement for fiscal flows, to cool the overheating parts and boost the under-performing parts of the currency union.

America gets it. They have a relatively efficient method of ensuring fiscal flows between states that are asymmetrically hit by economic problems. So, states such as Nebraska and Florida, which took a huge hit from the sub-prime carnage, have been subsidised by central funds (i.e. taxes from more successful states) and as a result, have ridden out the recession far better than Spain or Ireland. In the case of Spain and Ireland, the Euro core has said, "Tough shit lads. We're having a monetary policy that keeps German inflation low and you can deal with it by having a Great Depression."

As America shows, it does NOT have to be like that. But the idea of German money flowing to fiscally underpin Ireland will simply not wash with the German public. It is perfectly sound economics, but it is politically unacceptable.

And THAT is what Salmond doesn't want to discuss. The consequence of a currency union with rUK is that fiscal transfers must take place. So, if Scotland roars ahead, it will have to fiscally subsidise rUK. Which would be unacceptable to those who vote YES. Or if Scotland suffers, it will have to be fiscally subsidised by rUK. Which is politically acceptable within a United Kingdom. But they can f*** right off if they unilaterally secede from that union.

What a load of cobblers. You haven't got the faintest idea about economics.

[IC1967]

Those of you that doubt the validity of my betslip need to answer the question how on Earth have I managed to get odds of 20/1? I'll tell you how. Its because I placed the bet ages ago when everyone thought that 'No' would win comfortably because they were so far ahead in the polls. Why would I keep a screenshot of the betting slip months ago? Go figure.

[River Don]

Those of you that doubt the validity of my betslip need to answer the question how on Earth have I managed to get odds of 20/1? I'll tell you how. Its because I placed the bet ages ago when everyone thought that 'No' would win comfortably because they were so far ahead in the polls. Why would I keep a screenshot of the betting slip months ago? Go figure.

Is it because you have taken a shot of a betting exchange where you can choose the odds you would like?

Since you haven't submitted the bet, no one could have accepted it. Even if you did submit it nobody is going to take it, since they aren't competitive odds.

You could take another shot of the same screen showing odds at 50/1 if you like.