Evans

[wilts rover]

Maybe he is. Maybe footballers and football fans have no morals. Maybe non-consenual sex with a drunk girl isn't really rape. Maybe all our judges and juries are corrupt unless they give the verdict we wish to hear.

[Bentley Bullet]

And maybe he's innocent like Peter Sutcliffe, Fred West, Ian Huntley, Adolf Hitler..........

But, er......THEY weren't! 

[dickos1]

if she was drunk, but the following day cant remember anything, how does she know if she consented or not?

[MachoMadness]

all the video evidence shows this girl walking unaided into pizza parlour,it also shows her walking unaided into hotel on both occasions with high heeled shoes,the owner of the hotel stated she didnt scream shout for help or sound in distress,all of this was shown in the court trial.but a few hours latter she claims she was too drunk to no if she said yes or no.maybe she thought aye aye there could be cash in this.and further more i have already said who would you put your money on having a jolly christmas,the girl or the parents of the two kids killed by mccormack,and dont come this crap he showed remorse it doesnt do anything for me saying sorry

And yet, in a male-dominated justice system, where women have a massive fight on their hands just to even get the damn case to court, never mind see justice done, Evans was found guilty in a unanimous verdict. Don't take everything you read as gospel, particularly not when it's on chedevans.com.

[LincolnDonny]

About time this topic should be closed .................

If some sicko wants to play football so be it........

But I for one will not watch him.......

And there are some would find anything fair game know doubt.........

A scumbag is a scumbag...... in ANY shirt

end this now please

[Askern_reds]

Omg macho ,so what she says goes? And forget he's still saying he's innocent? And since when as the law be graded women , women have never found it difficult to get a case to court , in deed if the law states if some one claims rape and it's not hold up in a court of law shouldn't she face a jail sentence because I think she should, and again I'll refer to gray fix case ? What was a 15 year old doing in a night club

[Viking Don]

In my opinion rape is as bad as murder. A rape victim has to live with what happened for the rest of their lives and I can't begin to imagine what psychological damage such an heinous crime must do.

Parents of a girl raped and murdered would probably prefer their daughter to have been raped and not murdered, rather than the other way around, so I can't agree with that Funk. I imagine the victim would prefer to be alive too, though not always, I grant you.

[afro goal machine]

Some of the scenarios people are coming out with are getting a bit daft now, thankfully no one got murdere although a crime hastaken place

If anyone has seen the video featuring our very loved Chris brown and his Sunderland friends which we all like a giggle about, does that scenario look abit rapey ???
Did the girl consent to it ?
Did she consent to them watching ???
Is she intoxicated ???
How different things could have been for those 4

[acko]

the bare facts still remain NO evidence one word agains another,very dangerous precident to set judgement on,i would be more inclined to beleave her story if both had been found guilty but they wearnt but we are left with the scenario of a jury guessing,there used to be a time in this country were evidence was important and now it seems prove yourself innocent lets just see what side the jurys on.

[IDM]

the bare facts still remain NO evidence one word agains another,very dangerous precident to set judgement on,i would be more inclined to beleave her story if both had been found guilty but they wearnt but we are left with the scenario of a jury guessing,there used to be a time in this country were evidence was important and now it seems prove yourself innocent lets just see what side the jurys on.

How can you claim ANY of that if you were not in court and party to ALL the evidence presented to the jury?

[i_ateallthepies]

I have looked at the 'evidence' offered on the Ched Evans web site, not because I wanted to form an opinion on whether we should show interest in him but because right from day one, I found it odd that one of them was acquitted and the other convicted.

I have to admit that purely on that evidence, it does make guilty look an odd verdict.  The only conclusion I am able to draw from that therefore is that there was even more compelling evidence provided to counter his defence.

It does though leave me feeling disturbed that a man may have been convicted on less than reliable evidence.  Rape is a terrible threat to any male who risks casual sex with a woman.  There are unfortunately women out there who will make a false rape allegation for their own reasons and it appears this woman has done it before.  Any man falsely accused is likely to be every bit as damaged by that as a woman subjected to rape, and please don't take that to be an attempt to trivialise rape.  It is a most dreadful crime.

[IC1967]

Look, it's very simple. He was convicted of rape therefore his career is over, end of. Any club that touches him with a bargepole is incredibly stupid. They will instantly become the most unpopular club in the land. I prefer to trust the court and the jury rather than his own website.

He may be innocent but given that only 1 in 30 rape cases ends in conviction then I have to say the evidence must have been compelling.

Now, regardless of his claim he is innocent, he is incredibly stupid for putting himself in the position he did. He has only himself to blame and should now try and get another job where he can quietly disappear into the background. There is no way he will ever be a footballer again and its time the penny dropped. The fact that it hasn't yet just shows how dim he is.

[Bentley Bullet]

A very poignant post IC2967. I'm sure its effect on the anti - Evans brigade will be quite considerable, and will almost definitely force some of them to reconsider their position on the issue, and thus support his return to professional football if his appeal is successful..

[StocktonRover]

I have looked at the 'evidence' offered on the Ched Evans web site, not because I wanted to form an opinion on whether we should show interest in him but because right from day one, I found it odd that one of them was acquitted and the other convicted.

I have to admit that purely on that evidence, it does make guilty look an odd verdict.  The only conclusion I am able to draw from that therefore is that there was even more compelling evidence provided to counter his defence.

It does though leave me feeling disturbed that a man may have been convicted on less than reliable evidence.  Rape is a terrible threat to any male who risks casual sex with a woman.  There are unfortunately women out there who will make a false rape allegation for their own reasons and it appears this woman has done it before.  Any man falsely accused is likely to be every bit as damaged by that as a woman subjected to rape, and please don't take that to be an attempt to trivialise rape.  It is a most dreadful crime.

Reading the evidence on the website of the convicted rapist is hardly going to be balanced is it.
I bet North Korea's web site paints a really one sided opinion on South Korea.

I put more faith in our judicial system than Evans own spin.

[i_ateallthepies]

I have looked at the 'evidence' offered on the Ched Evans web site, not because I wanted to form an opinion on whether we should show interest in him but because right from day one, I found it odd that one of them was acquitted and the other convicted.

I have to admit that purely on that evidence, it does make guilty look an odd verdict.  The only conclusion I am able to draw from that therefore is that there was even more compelling evidence provided to counter his defence.

It does though leave me feeling disturbed that a man may have been convicted on less than reliable evidence.  Rape is a terrible threat to any male who risks casual sex with a woman.  There are unfortunately women out there who will make a false rape allegation for their own reasons and it appears this woman has done it before.  Any man falsely accused is likely to be every bit as damaged by that as a woman subjected to rape, and please don't take that to be an attempt to trivialise rape.  It is a most dreadful crime.

Reading the evidence on the website of the convicted rapist is hardly going to be balanced is it.
I bet North Korea's web site paints a really one sided opinion on South Korea.

I put more faith in our judicial system than Evans own spin.

I thought that was what I was saying Stockton.  Perhaps didn't emphasise it enough for you.

[StocktonRover]

I have looked at the 'evidence' offered on the Ched Evans web site, not because I wanted to form an opinion on whether we should show interest in him but because right from day one, I found it odd that one of them was acquitted and the other convicted.

I have to admit that purely on that evidence, it does make guilty look an odd verdict.  The only conclusion I am able to draw from that therefore is that there was even more compelling evidence provided to counter his defence.

It does though leave me feeling disturbed that a man may have been convicted on less than reliable evidence.  Rape is a terrible threat to any male who risks casual sex with a woman.  There are unfortunately women out there who will make a false rape allegation for their own reasons and it appears this woman has done it before.  Any man falsely accused is likely to be every bit as damaged by that as a woman subjected to rape, and please don't take that to be an attempt to trivialise rape.  It is a most dreadful crime.

Reading the evidence on the website of the convicted rapist is hardly going to be balanced is it.
I bet North Korea's web site paints a really one sided opinion on South Korea.

I put more faith in our judicial system than Evans own spin.

I thought that was what I was saying Stockton.  Perhaps didn't emphasise it enough for you.

That bit you emphasised appears to be at odds with what I have highlighted?

That's the trouble with text - it can be construed in so many ways.

[BobG]

I suspect you're over reatcing a bit Stockton. There is no reason on Earth why someone should not have doubts about this provided he has rational grounds for them. In this case Pies has offered a balanced and reasonable view. He has not claimed his view has any superiority; he has been at pains to stress that there may well have been evidence presented that would silence the doubts; he has offered a hypothesis for consideration that is based on publilcy available information. What's your beef? My view is Pies has written probably the single most balanced and sensible post in this entire thread.

BobG

[StocktonRover]

That's the trouble with text - it can be construed in so many ways.

Bob,
as I said previously, the written word lacks emotion and context.

If Pies and myself were having a conversation face to face, I'm fairly sure that we would have clarified any ambiguity and possibly agreed?

[BobG]

Yup. You're dead right. Now I should read more carefully......

Cheers!

Bob