Referendum prediction poll

[bally1950]

BST - although I accept your point and also the point of others, may I just state here and now. I am repeating what the Politicians say.. I cannot stand on the white cliffs of Dover waving a Union Jack holding a bulldog on a leash with my fixed bayonet rifle fending off all comers. The Politicians are stating what will or will not happen. I will vote to leave and If my decision and the decision of many others is beaten then so be it, it will be beaten BUT my friend I do have the right to make that choice as you have the same option, there are too many other matters I have to deal with in my life to worry about..This will be last comment on this subject

[Yargo]

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I very much dislike the Project Fear approach. There is an extremely important positive side to the EU, and the fact that Putin wants nothing more than to see the EU riven by splits and hamstrung should finish the argument before it starts.

But, if we're talking nasty, grubby, gutter politics, which is where we usually end up in this country...

The Leave supporters do need a wake up call.

And the remain don't? A vote to stay is a thumbs up to Camoron/Osborne,a big yes and thanks for the way the EU financial institutions have created permanent recession in many Euro countries,a big yes to TTIP and a takeover by the NHS of US private health companies,a goodbye in any of our lifetimes to any reform of the EU(witness Milliband a year ago saying there should be no EU renegotiation and no referendum).What's happened to Greece should have the ex left screaming instead of going all in like BST has done,At least BobG doesn't know what he's voting for

[The Red Baron]

The Euro is basically a political project to draw the EU closer together, but it is failing because it didn't confront the differences between the economies within the EU.

Ironically a project designed to bring the EU closer together has pushed it further apart. I can't be certain of this, but I have a feeling that had the Euro been strangled at birth, we might not be having a referendum this year.

[MachoMadness]

The fact Murdoch has thrown himself behind the Leave camp tells me nothing good will come of us leaving.

[Filo]

I shall be voting to leave, I made my mind up years ago, I vowed if we ever had a vote I would vote to leave, this was well before the migrant crisis. I'm sick to death of powers being eroded from our Country by the European Parliament, I don't agree that The UK should have contributed to the bailout of Greece, the Germans hold too much power  in that organisation, aided and abetted by France. The sooner we are out the better in my opinion

[The Red Baron]

Interesting development:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35749837

Turkey has got the EU by the short and curlies over this. I've always had quite an admiration for Turkey and the way it maintained its status as a Secular state. However the current President shows some of the same megalomaniac tendencies as friend Putin, and seems to have a worryingly pro-Islamist agenda.

I also have my suspicions about the Turkish government turning a blind eye to people smugglers. After all, they don't seem slow to crack down on things they don't like- eg awkward opposition newspapers. Until the last 12 months much of the migrant traffic has come from North Africa into Italy. We start to get a handle on that and suddenly a huge route opens up from Turkey to Greece. Coincidence? Maybe, but as you can see, it gives the Turkish government leverage and they are using it to the full extent.

[BobG]

I don't know where you get the idea from Yargo that I don't know what I'm voting for. Far from it. I am extremelty well informed having  a naturally inqusitive mind and a decent memory that stretches back decades. If you had bothered to read what I wrote, rather than what you wanted to think I wrote, you would have seen that none of this current frenzy about immigration, red tape and Schengen is important in the decision I have come to.  I have a different rock upon which my thinking is based: it takes a long historical view and it seeks to learn from history.

There. That clear enough for you now?

BobG

[Donnywolf]

Just an update ... if you are voting in the Poll please cast your vote NOT for your personal preference BUT the way you think we will ultimately vote as a Nation

The Poll is showing a gradual lowering of the "Remain" vote although it still is north of 60% but I accept it is a non scientific way to "judge" the end result but hey the General Election Polls were not exactly accurate either were they ?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well, it looks like Boris's decision to support Leave has been successful.

Not successful in that it means Leave will win. That was never the aim.

Successful in cementing him as dead cert to be the next Tory leader.

Look at the figures at the bottom of page 3 here. Tory party members are in favour of leaving by 2:1. But all the main Cabinet front runners for the leadership  (Osborne, May, Hammond) are on the Stay side.

That is why Johnson is campaigning for Leave. He doesn't give a shit whether we stay or leave, or what the consequences for the country would be. He cares, as he's always cared, only about his own career aim. Which is to be PM.

He scares the living Bejaysus out of me.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/lgyac6br0r/InternalResults_160302_ConservativePartyMemberPolls_W.pdf

[Yargo]

My beliefs are based on something entirely different John. I don't care about union or singularity.

I don't know where you get the idea from Yargo that I don't know what I'm voting for. Far from it. I am extremelty well informed having  a naturally inqusitive mind and a decent memory that stretches back decades. If you had bothered to read what I wrote, rather than what you wanted to think I wrote, you would have seen that none of this current frenzy about immigration, red tape and Schengen is important in the decision I have come to.  I have a different rock upon which my thinking is based: it takes a long historical view and it seeks to learn from history.

There. That clear enough for you now?

BobG

Clear as mud,the vote is for Union or not,then again you probably refer to the UN as League of Nations

[BobG]

Don't know where you got that from either mate. The League of Nations died in 1939. Or didn't you know?

Cheers

BobG

PS Those who don't need things spelled out for them like a child know what I mean. I've spelled it out in the past for everyone else. Try to keep up.

[Donnywolf]

Just dipped below 60 % then ...

[Donnywolf]

Latest "row" over the Pamphlet I see. Used Taxpayers money for the mailshot we are all going to get and used 9.3 million quid which incidentally is of itself more than the 7 million allocated to each side

It is said Cameron for the Public to fully understand what is at stake and yet I have seen photos of it on BBC and one of the pages shows a shopping basket and part of the text says something like " you will be risking rising food prices"

SORRY but to me that is not a FACT it is supposition.

[The Red Baron]

As per the suggestion of a prominent Eurosceptic I shall be returning mine to the Prime Minister. I can't think of a better way of spending the cost of a 2nd class stamp.

I may well be tempted to suggest where he might stuff his propaganda.

[Donnywolf]

As per the suggestion of a prominent Eurosceptic I shall be returning mine to the Prime Minister. I can't think of a better way of spending the cost of a 2nd class stamp.

I may well be tempted to suggest where he might stuff his propaganda.

What a great idea that is - sending it back to him that is

I too would like to tell him where to shove his propaganda AS LONG as I don't have to take a proper gander to confirm where he has put it !

[idler]

Jeremy Hunt or Liz Truss would willingly do that for you Wolfy. 😉

[The Red Baron]

Jeremy Hunt or Liz Truss would willingly do that for you Wolfy. 😉

I imagine both of them would already be where you would like him to shove it!

[Donnywolf]

Just short of 100 Votes in and a (non Technical) 58.8 % think we will vote to stay and 41.2% think we will vote to stay

If you wish to add your vote please do - but remember we are looking for what you think WE as a Nation will vote not what you will personally vote for