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Quote from: RedJ on December 08, 2017, 10:16:21 amI see Sturgeon has piped up demanding the same for Scotland, and claiming if they left the UK there's no way we could tell them there'd be no hard border, totally ignoring the historical context of the Irish problem. God I hate that woman. Wilfully ignorant of anything that doesn't suit her sole cause.Someone should tell her that the Independence Referendum voted to stay as part of the UK . Tell her and the others "its democracy get over it" .That's what the people who voted to leave the EU keep telling those who voted to remain "get over it its democracy" However the ones pushing for the EU Referendum in the first place kept going going going as indeed will the SNP till they get the result that they desire
I see Sturgeon has piped up demanding the same for Scotland, and claiming if they left the UK there's no way we could tell them there'd be no hard border, totally ignoring the historical context of the Irish problem. God I hate that woman. Wilfully ignorant of anything that doesn't suit her sole cause.
This could very well be the first step along the road to a united Ireland.
TRBVery simple why the Tory Brexiters haven’t kicked up a stink. There is no alternative. They have postured about being prepared to go for a no deal Brexit, but they know like anyone who has looked at the issue knows, that would be an economic catastrophe. And they know that if they reject this act of can-kicking, the EU cannot move on to trade negotiations. So we’d be heading for a no deal Brexit. Their bluff has been called. Plain and simple, and actually, well done to May for making a right call on that aspect. But the problem is, May is only deferring the moment of crisis for the Tory party. The Brexiters are holding their tongues for now, but eventually they will let rip. My take?We WILL be staying in the CU and SM because there is patently no alternative. Whether that’s staying in officially or tying ourselves so tightly to it that we have no room for independent action really makes no odds. Accept that and everything becomes relatively manageable (at least the least-awful outcomes become possible). But doing that will mean that the Brexiters will shout “Betrayal” (once the deal is done) and the whole f**king mess will continue for another generation.
Nah IDMBrexit means Brexit. https://mobile.twitter.com/krishgm/status/939052269093388288
Young people might like to question the older generations as to why they are so keen to turn their back on the high principles of the Treaty of Rome..............................................................The Preamble to the 1957 Treaty of Rome.DETERMINED to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of Europe,RESOLVED to ensure the economic and social progress of their countries by common action to eliminate the barriers which divide Europe,AFFIRMING as the essential objective of their efforts the constant improvement of the living and working conditions of their peoples,RECOGNISING that the removal of existing obstacles calls for concerted action in order to guarantee steady expansion, balanced trade and fair competition,ANXIOUS to strengthen the unity of their economies and to ensure their harmonious development by reducing the differences existing between the various regions and the backwardness of the less favoured regions,DESIRING to contribute, by means of a common commercial policy, to the progressive abolition of restrictions on international trade,INTENDING to confirm the solidarity which binds Europe and the overseas countries and desiring to ensure the development of their prosperity, in accordance with the principles of the Charter of the United Nations,RESOLVED by thus pooling their resources to preserve and strengthen peace and liberty, and calling upon the other peoples of Europe who share their ideal to join in their effortsWho in their right mind in Britain or the EU would put their trust in assurances from Treeza May, Boris, Gove, IDS, or any of her gang of Brexit Ministers ?What exactly are their principles and where is the evidence ?
Quote from: hoolahoop on December 09, 2017, 07:10:15 amYoung people might like to question the older generations as to why they are so keen to turn their back on the high principles of the Treaty of Rome..............................................................The Preamble to the 1957 Treaty of Rome.DETERMINED to lay the foundations of an ever-closer union among the peoples of Europe,RESOLVED to ensure the economic and social progress of their countries by common action to eliminate the barriers which divide Europe,AFFIRMING as the essential objective of their efforts the constant improvement of the living and working conditions of their peoples,RECOGNISING that the removal of existing obstacles calls for concerted action in order to guarantee steady expansion, balanced trade and fair competition,ANXIOUS to strengthen the unity of their economies and to ensure their harmonious development by reducing the differences existing between the various regions and the backwardness of the less favoured regions,DESIRING to contribute, by means of a common commercial policy, to the progressive abolition of restrictions on international trade,INTENDING to confirm the solidarity which binds Europe and the overseas countries and desiring to ensure the development of their prosperity, in accordance with the principles of the Charter of the United Nations,RESOLVED by thus pooling their resources to preserve and strengthen peace and liberty, and calling upon the other peoples of Europe who share their ideal to join in their effortsWho in their right mind in Britain or the EU would put their trust in assurances from Treeza May, Boris, Gove, IDS, or any of her gang of Brexit Ministers ?What exactly are their principles and where is the evidence ?UK was not a signatory to the Treaty of Rome
The post mentioned 1957
Quote from: Filo on December 09, 2017, 10:55:27 amThe post mentioned 1957So what? That's when it was first written. We signed it in 1972. Are you saying that because we didn't sign it in 1957 it means we didn't agree with everything that's in it that Hoola quoted when we did sign it? Perhaps we signed it with our fingers crossed behind our back!
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 09, 2017, 11:26:20 amQuote from: Filo on December 09, 2017, 10:55:27 amThe post mentioned 1957So what? That's when it was first written. We signed it in 1972. Are you saying that because we didn't sign it in 1957 it means we didn't agree with everything that's in it that Hoola quoted when we did sign it? Perhaps we signed it with our fingers crossed behind our back!Perhaps we did, but theres no need to be clever about it, which is symptomatic of many of your condescending posts. I was pointing out that in 1957 we were not a signatory of it, in fact we were n't allowed to join until De Gaulle died, they did n't want us to join and now they don't want us to leaveThe facts are, the UK never did and never have signed the Treaty of Rome.In 1972 the UK signed the Treaty of Accesion
Quote from: Filo on December 09, 2017, 11:43:53 amQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 09, 2017, 11:26:20 amQuote from: Filo on December 09, 2017, 10:55:27 amThe post mentioned 1957So what? That's when it was first written. We signed it in 1972. Are you saying that because we didn't sign it in 1957 it means we didn't agree with everything that's in it that Hoola quoted when we did sign it? Perhaps we signed it with our fingers crossed behind our back!Perhaps we did, but theres no need to be clever about it, which is symptomatic of many of your condescending posts. I was pointing out that in 1957 we were not a signatory of it, in fact we were n't allowed to join until De Gaulle died, they did n't want us to join and now they don't want us to leaveThe facts are, the UK never did and never have signed the Treaty of Rome.In 1972 the UK signed the Treaty of AccesionSo Parliament's got it's facts wrong has it?http://www.parliament.uk/about/living-heritage/transformingsociety/tradeindustry/importexport/overview/europe/As I said, you can't join the EU without signing the Treaty Of Rome.And you never said anything about 1957, you flatly stated the UK were not a signatory of the Treaty Of Rome.