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I agree Billy but voting remain doesn't mean you can't also be one or the other. You can't tar everyone with the same brush.I go on holiday and risk missing out on a vote. At Brexit I was in Rhodes so had already registered my postal vote. I spent a lot of time deliberating and by the time of the voting date felt actually closer to Europe than possibly before. The shootings in Paris and then the international between England and France at Wembley made me feel proud that we were a united front against terrorism and an affinity with the French nation. The other side of this was the arrogance of Cameron, Osborne and Junkers. Their vision of the EU didn't match mine and I couldn't see them listening to any other views.
Quote from: idler on December 21, 2017, 10:58:52 pmI agree Billy but voting remain doesn't mean you can't also be one or the other. You can't tar everyone with the same brush.I go on holiday and risk missing out on a vote. At Brexit I was in Rhodes so had already registered my postal vote. I spent a lot of time deliberating and by the time of the voting date felt actually closer to Europe than possibly before. The shootings in Paris and then the international between England and France at Wembley made me feel proud that we were a united front against terrorism and an affinity with the French nation. The other side of this was the arrogance of Cameron, Osborne and Junkers. Their vision of the EU didn't match mine and I couldn't see them listening to any other views.Have you regretted your vote to leave since idler based on those former strong reasons to be a Europhile and those latter feelings which influenced your vote i.e. the 3 knobheads you mentioned ; who ironically enough will ALL be finished in politics within 5 years ?Brexit will adversely affect us for decades long after these 3 are dead, buried and largely forgotten.
Quote from: hoolahoop on December 21, 2017, 11:25:12 pmQuote from: idler on December 21, 2017, 10:58:52 pmI agree Billy but voting remain doesn't mean you can't also be one or the other. You can't tar everyone with the same brush.I go on holiday and risk missing out on a vote. At Brexit I was in Rhodes so had already registered my postal vote. I spent a lot of time deliberating and by the time of the voting date felt actually closer to Europe than possibly before. The shootings in Paris and then the international between England and France at Wembley made me feel proud that we were a united front against terrorism and an affinity with the French nation. The other side of this was the arrogance of Cameron, Osborne and Junkers. Their vision of the EU didn't match mine and I couldn't see them listening to any other views.Have you regretted your vote to leave since idler based on those former strong reasons to be a Europhile and those latter feelings which influenced your vote i.e. the 3 knobheads you mentioned ; who ironically enough will ALL be finished in politics within 5 years ?Brexit will adversely affect us for decades long after these 3 are dead, buried and largely forgotten.Good question Hoola, in fact it would be good to hear the views of anyone that has changed their mind since the vote, either way.
Is there a charity to help knackered old MPs who have lost their marbles?http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2017/12/23/little-red-white-and-blue-riding-hood-a-topical-christmas-story/f**k me sideways...
Dear God Almighty.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42527750I thought we were supposed to saving millions from leaving the EU so that we could fund things like this properly?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 31, 2017, 01:48:08 pmDear God Almighty.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42527750I thought we were supposed to saving millions from leaving the EU so that we could fund things like this properly?It's getting beyond ridiculous now .
I think I may have spotted why the EU negiators are playing hardball against us trying to implement “The Will of the People”.https://mobile.twitter.com/bopanc/status/948497516630298625/photo/1
Up until 2013 the UK has been a net contributor to the EU budget in 39 out of its 40 years of membership (the exception being 1975), contributing a total of £401bn in real terms gross, and £134bn net of receipts and the budget rebate. The UK has received an abatement, or rebate, on its budget contribution since 1984, worth £3.2bn in 2012 and £103bn (in real terms) since it was first agreed.The pound being stronger than the euro has repeatedly led to cheaper imports and difficulty exporting which has contributed to a decline in industry in this country.I really can't see how the EU has benefited Britain at all; if anybody is in doubt look out of your window and ask yourself what has improved since our membership commenced.I personally can't wait for us to leave, particularly with progress being managed by a labour government.
Quote from: aidanstu on January 03, 2018, 07:12:35 pmUp until 2013 the UK has been a net contributor to the EU budget in 39 out of its 40 years of membership (the exception being 1975), contributing a total of £401bn in real terms gross, and £134bn net of receipts and the budget rebate. The UK has received an abatement, or rebate, on its budget contribution since 1984, worth £3.2bn in 2012 and £103bn (in real terms) since it was first agreed.The pound being stronger than the euro has repeatedly led to cheaper imports and difficulty exporting which has contributed to a decline in industry in this country.I really can't see how the EU has benefited Britain at all; if anybody is in doubt look out of your window and ask yourself what has improved since our membership commenced.I personally can't wait for us to leave, particularly with progress being managed by a labour government. I looked out of my window but it's a bit too dark to see anything so I thought I'd do a bit of desk based research (aka googling).Here's how the Yorkshire & Humber region benefitted from EU funding from 2007-2013:https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/511951/Beneficary_List-_Feb_2016.pdfNot to mention the fact that we've had unrestricted to the access to the world's largest trading bloc - how much is that worth to UK in sales/profits that they wouldn't otherwise have made?
Quote from: Muttley on January 03, 2018, 07:47:21 pmQuote from: aidanstu on January 03, 2018, 07:12:35 pmUp until 2013 the UK has been a net contributor to the EU budget in 39 out of its 40 years of membership (the exception being 1975), contributing a total of £401bn in real terms gross, and £134bn net of receipts and the budget rebate. The UK has received an abatement, or rebate, on its budget contribution since 1984, worth £3.2bn in 2012 and £103bn (in real terms) since it was first agreed.The pound being stronger than the euro has repeatedly led to cheaper imports and difficulty exporting which has contributed to a decline in industry in this country.I really can't see how the EU has benefited Britain at all; if anybody is in doubt look out of your window and ask yourself what has improved since our membership commenced.I personally can't wait for us to leave, particularly with progress being managed by a labour government. I looked out of my window but it's a bit too dark to see anything so I thought I'd do a bit of desk based research (aka googling).Here's how the Yorkshire & Humber region benefitted from EU funding from 2007-2013:https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/511951/Beneficary_List-_Feb_2016.pdfNot to mention the fact that we've had unrestricted to the access to the world's largest trading bloc - how much is that worth to UK in sales/profits that they wouldn't otherwise have made?The fact it is so dark outside is probably as a result of your local authority spending cuts and lack of street lighting brought on by the amount of national debt we have accrued.EU funding? we are a net contributor. You wouldn't put £100 in a bandit with the hope of getting £10 out, with no guarantee and consider yourself a winner would you? why would you take that approach with the EU?Also do you have any idea how much the region has contributed the EU in the same period?
So the net payment works out at about the price of a Starbucks coffee per person per week. And that’s before you consider the benefits that we get from free and unfettered trade with the largest trading bloc in the history of mankind.
Do you think it will make much difference to the average person if we are in or out of the eu? I was thinking back to when labour were in power other day and to be honest it's no different from now, apart from a few quid either way I'm not sure it makes any difference