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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 16, 2018, 12:20:29 amBy the way, this shiws much more clearly what I was ranting on about this afternoon. That the was no clarity whatsoever about the kind of Brexit that was voted for. https://mobile.twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/974373411165270017There isn't a clear position there at all. I can understand the argument for the SM but the CU was left vaguely open and rarely if ever mentioned.
By the way, this shiws much more clearly what I was ranting on about this afternoon. That the was no clarity whatsoever about the kind of Brexit that was voted for. https://mobile.twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/974373411165270017
Quote from: hoolahoop on March 16, 2018, 11:36:08 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 16, 2018, 12:20:29 amBy the way, this shiws much more clearly what I was ranting on about this afternoon. That the was no clarity whatsoever about the kind of Brexit that was voted for. https://mobile.twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/974373411165270017ñjThere isn't a clear position there at all. I can understand the argument for the SM but the CU was left vaguely open and rarely if ever mentioned. Probably because people (including the politicians who are supposed to know better) conflate the two as if they were the same thing.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 16, 2018, 12:20:29 amBy the way, this shiws much more clearly what I was ranting on about this afternoon. That the was no clarity whatsoever about the kind of Brexit that was voted for. https://mobile.twitter.com/EmporersNewC/status/974373411165270017ñjThere isn't a clear position there at all. I can understand the argument for the SM but the CU was left vaguely open and rarely if ever mentioned.
So we (UK) have no solution to the Irish border issue and we’ve kicked it into the long grass by agreeing to the EU backstop solution which May, Reed-Mogg and the DUP have said is absolutely unacceptable. Massive problem deferred.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 19, 2018, 02:40:12 pmSo we (UK) have no solution to the Irish border issue and we’ve kicked it into the long grass by agreeing to the EU backstop solution which May, Reed-Mogg and the DUP have said is absolutely unacceptable. Massive problem deferred. Still the BBC and other commentators ''spin'' this garbage like it's a hard-won deal .
Quote from: hoolahoop on March 19, 2018, 08:19:58 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 19, 2018, 02:40:12 pmSo we (UK) have no solution to the Irish border issue and we’ve kicked it into the long grass by agreeing to the EU backstop solution which May, Reed-Mogg and the DUP have said is absolutely unacceptable. Massive problem deferred. Still the BBC and other commentators ''spin'' this garbage like it's a hard-won deal . The BBC aren't spinning it, they're just reporting the spin others have put on it.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on March 19, 2018, 09:51:00 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on March 19, 2018, 08:19:58 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 19, 2018, 02:40:12 pmSo we (UK) have no solution to the Irish border issue and we’ve kicked it into the long grass by agreeing to the EU backstop solution which May, Reed-Mogg and the DUP have said is absolutely unacceptable. Massive problem deferred. Still the BBC and other commentators ''spin'' this garbage like it's a hard-won deal . The BBC aren't spinning it, they're just reporting the spin others have put on it.You mean their own political reporters Glyn - perhaps it's me I must be stupid .As I see it - little seems resolved and as Billy said earlier a total fudge now if the BBC can't or won't see through what DD is putting out then someone should be asking why ?
Quote from: hoolahoop on March 20, 2018, 08:51:21 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on March 19, 2018, 09:51:00 pmQuote from: hoolahoop on March 19, 2018, 08:19:58 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 19, 2018, 02:40:12 pmSo we (UK) have no solution to the Irish border issue and we’ve kicked it into the long grass by agreeing to the EU backstop solution which May, Reed-Mogg and the DUP have said is absolutely unacceptable. Massive problem deferred. Still the BBC and other commentators ''spin'' this garbage like it's a hard-won deal . The BBC aren't spinning it, they're just reporting the spin others have put on it.You mean their own political reporters Glyn - perhaps it's me I must be stupid .As I see it - little seems resolved and as Billy said earlier a total fudge now if the BBC can't or won't see through what DD is putting out then someone should be asking why ?Nobody on Daily Politics said anything other than it solved nothing. I don't know what BBC output you were watching.
The BBC has a generation of very poor quality senior editors. Kuenssberg is very lightweight as Political Editor. More interested in politics as a clever chess game than really delving into detail. Kamal Ahmed as Economics Editor is utterly f**king useless. Ive got no professional reason to be particularly interested in economic debates but I am interested as an amateur observer. And it’s clear that he has either little comprehension of the key issues in economics today, or is utterly unable to communicate them to laypeople. He trots out the worst trite comments and still drones on about the importance of the deficit, years after the economic debate onbtat was settled.
I don't think I'm being harsh at all , my only surprise is that both the Brexiters and the BBC seemed to push this idea that there should be room for negotiation on a number of issues . Why i dont know and why Rees- mogg and other members were trying to force issues on what was purely a Transitional period rather than anything that was up for being altered i just dont understand .Art 50 clearly states that this period should be granted by the other members if they felt fit and could agree that it was in their interests to grant it to the UK , therefore nothing was up for grabs this " Implementation " claptrap always was designed to infer something different entirely I.e. you are implementing different arrangements than previously existed before the invokation of Art 50.It was a clever use of language designed to breathe more life into this group of ardent Brexiters , the BBC should have called it out from day 1 - they didn't hence the stupidity of Farage and JRM on HMS Brexit today along with the extensive and most bizarre coverage that went along with it. Instead all we kept hearing about was the " selling out of fishermen " - if they felt sold out it was because this Govt. along with the BBC continued to peddle the line that something else could be implemented . Frankly we haven't really resolved many issues that I am aware of since the negotiations started. I get the feeling that the EU are sick to the back teeth of it all now and want to move on
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43581729Grand eh? All that bullshit about how leaving the EU would allow our economy to flourish because we could make our own trade agreements with other countries, and here’s Dr Fox telling us that he’s secured a great victory. After Brexit, we’ll keep using the agreements that the EU has already negotiated with 70 countries. So, we’re going to leave the SM and CU which will make trading far more difficult and less profitable with 450million of the richest people in the world right on our doorstep. But the upside is that we’ll keep trading exactly as we have done before with everyone else. Any Brexit supporters getting just a little bit nervous that you’ve been had by a bunch of clueless shysters?
Worth a watch https://vimeo.com/252854131