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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 15, 2018, 09:52:24 amWell, if you judge PMs by their judgement and on the effect they have on our appearance to the rest of the world, you're going to struggle to find 3 worse ones than Eden, Cameron and May. And that's before you go into the unmitigated disaster that was Austerity. Cameron demonstrated that he didn't understand basic undergraduate-level economics. He was unable to keep the lid on the civil war that has engulfed the Tory party for the past 2 generations. And in a bid to stop that war, he had the most monumentally wrong headed domestic decision of any PM I can think of. (And I'm not saying that because the side I supported lost. I'm saying that because the side HE supported lost. His decision to hold a referendum led directly to the end of his tenure.)BST, Is that a response to my last post, also addressed to you?
Well, if you judge PMs by their judgement and on the effect they have on our appearance to the rest of the world, you're going to struggle to find 3 worse ones than Eden, Cameron and May. And that's before you go into the unmitigated disaster that was Austerity. Cameron demonstrated that he didn't understand basic undergraduate-level economics. He was unable to keep the lid on the civil war that has engulfed the Tory party for the past 2 generations. And in a bid to stop that war, he had the most monumentally wrong headed domestic decision of any PM I can think of. (And I'm not saying that because the side I supported lost. I'm saying that because the side HE supported lost. His decision to hold a referendum led directly to the end of his tenure.)
Quote from: Not Now Kato on November 15, 2018, 09:51:24 amQuote from: Boomstick on November 15, 2018, 09:47:33 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 15, 2018, 09:44:45 amYeah. Imagine. We ask people to vote and the ones who lose start shooting people. Perhaps after a 2nd referrendum, we could have a 3rd and call it best of 3 ? Erm, we've already had 3 Boomstick, please keep up.No we haven't ..... ?
Quote from: Boomstick on November 15, 2018, 09:47:33 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 15, 2018, 09:44:45 amYeah. Imagine. We ask people to vote and the ones who lose start shooting people. Perhaps after a 2nd referrendum, we could have a 3rd and call it best of 3 ? Erm, we've already had 3 Boomstick, please keep up.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 15, 2018, 09:44:45 amYeah. Imagine. We ask people to vote and the ones who lose start shooting people. Perhaps after a 2nd referrendum, we could have a 3rd and call it best of 3 ?
Yeah. Imagine. We ask people to vote and the ones who lose start shooting people.
And another one resigns!!
Quote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:16:54 amAnd another one resigns!! ayep. Now Esther McVey. There's not going to be many left at this rate!
Quote from: Boomstick on November 15, 2018, 10:09:46 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on November 15, 2018, 09:51:24 amQuote from: Boomstick on November 15, 2018, 09:47:33 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 15, 2018, 09:44:45 amYeah. Imagine. We ask people to vote and the ones who lose start shooting people. Perhaps after a 2nd referrendum, we could have a 3rd and call it best of 3 ? Erm, we've already had 3 Boomstick, please keep up.No we haven't ..... ? I'm afraid we have BS. Maybe you're too young to remember the first two?
BSThere's a thing about the 2016 referendum that you don't ever seen to have picked up on, despite it being discussed in here ad nauseum. I don't mean the lies from the Leave side, the criminal use of social media profiling and the funding from the Kremlin. As a patriot and a democrat, you don't seem concerned about those so there's no point raising them again. The point is, it was a binary decision on something that wasn't a binary choice. The choice was Remain or Leave. But there was never one "thing" called "Leave". There were infinite shades from No Deal to Brexit in Name Only. And there's the problem. There is no majority in the country for any particular type of Brexit. So ant Brexit that we DO get will be opposed by a majority of the population. Now that we know this Govt is unable to get any deal with the EU that it can support, we have three choices. 1) The Govt resigns and is replaced by a Labour Govt that CAN arrange a deal. But that deal won't satisfy Hard Brexiters or Remainers. 2) The Govt grits it's teeth and leads us into a No Deal Brexit. But that won't satisfy Remainers and Soft Brexiters. 3) We have anitger referendum with a genuine binary decision. No Deal Vs Remain. Which one of those don't you think is morally the most correct path?
So you think an outcome that only about 1/4 of the population supports, and which was never discussed as a serious option in the 2016 campaign would be the most democratic outcome BS?
This is naughty, but understandable. https://mobile.twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1063008449808740352Interpretation. "Britain. We've reached a deal. We're approaching these negotiations in a professional and organised way. We're ready to move onto the next stage. "Britain? Hello? HELLLLOOO!"
Quote from: Not Now Kato on November 15, 2018, 10:18:36 amQuote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:16:54 amAnd another one resigns!! ayep. Now Esther McVey. There's not going to be many left at this rate! Horrible woman good riddence
Quote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:29:59 amQuote from: Not Now Kato on November 15, 2018, 10:18:36 amQuote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:16:54 amAnd another one resigns!! ayep. Now Esther McVey. There's not going to be many left at this rate! Horrible woman good riddenceDo you think she'll need some help with her Universal Credit application?
A General Election must surely be on the horizon now
Quote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:33:29 amA General Election must surely be on the horizon nowWhat would that achieve ?
Quote from: Boomstick on November 15, 2018, 12:06:31 pmQuote from: Filo on November 15, 2018, 10:33:29 amA General Election must surely be on the horizon nowWhat would that achieve ? Probably a change of Government