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Quote from: GazLaz on November 30, 2018, 05:24:58 pmThis thread is going to be longer than the actual Brexit bill itself. Well, there's more intelligent thought and comment in this thread than anything that's dribbled out of May's gob, this past two years. She's currently insisting that it's her deal or No Deal, which is the most boneheadedly stupid bullshit. It doesn't even work as a threat, because there's not a single MP who believes she could take us out with No Deal even if she wanted to.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on November 30, 2018, 06:13:46 pmQuote from: GazLaz on November 30, 2018, 05:24:58 pmThis thread is going to be longer than the actual Brexit bill itself. Well, there's more intelligent thought and comment in this thread than anything that's dribbled out of May's gob, this past two years. She's currently insisting that it's her deal or No Deal, which is the most boneheadedly stupid bullshit. It doesn't even work as a threat, because there's not a single MP who believes she could take us out with No Deal even if she wanted to. I don’t know if this has been mentioned on here before because I only read the odd page but...Is it possible that self admitted remainder Mrs May has put together a deal that she knows won’t get passed by parliament to force a second referendum? I’m not usually a big conspirory theorist but could it be possible?
Quote from: drfchound on November 29, 2018, 08:02:13 pmQuote from: wilts rover on November 29, 2018, 07:58:12 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 29, 2018, 10:02:14 amOne of the things I heard this morning, on the news, is that some MPs are planning to abstain in the vote or even be absent from Parliament on the day of the vote.WTF is that all about?Surely they are elected to add their weight to such decisions, not dodge them.All bar 7 Labour MP's (+ the 4 independent Labour) have confirmed they will vote against May's deal. Out of these 11 only 1 has said she will vote for it - go on have a guess which constituency she represents....https://evolvepolitics.com/here-are-the-12-labour-mps-who-are-considering-voting-for-theresa-mays-brexit-deal/Wilts, as a political expert (not being funny by the way) can you tell me how many of the Labour MP's who are going to vote against Mays proposed deal are from a constituency which voted to leave.Also, how many are there who are actually going to vote against it please.You're not still clinging to this ridiculous notion that MPs should vote the way their constituency voted in the referendum are you? That would mean May should vote against her own deal!!
Quote from: wilts rover on November 29, 2018, 07:58:12 pmQuote from: drfchound on November 29, 2018, 10:02:14 amOne of the things I heard this morning, on the news, is that some MPs are planning to abstain in the vote or even be absent from Parliament on the day of the vote.WTF is that all about?Surely they are elected to add their weight to such decisions, not dodge them.All bar 7 Labour MP's (+ the 4 independent Labour) have confirmed they will vote against May's deal. Out of these 11 only 1 has said she will vote for it - go on have a guess which constituency she represents....https://evolvepolitics.com/here-are-the-12-labour-mps-who-are-considering-voting-for-theresa-mays-brexit-deal/Wilts, as a political expert (not being funny by the way) can you tell me how many of the Labour MP's who are going to vote against Mays proposed deal are from a constituency which voted to leave.Also, how many are there who are actually going to vote against it please.
Quote from: drfchound on November 29, 2018, 10:02:14 amOne of the things I heard this morning, on the news, is that some MPs are planning to abstain in the vote or even be absent from Parliament on the day of the vote.WTF is that all about?Surely they are elected to add their weight to such decisions, not dodge them.All bar 7 Labour MP's (+ the 4 independent Labour) have confirmed they will vote against May's deal. Out of these 11 only 1 has said she will vote for it - go on have a guess which constituency she represents....https://evolvepolitics.com/here-are-the-12-labour-mps-who-are-considering-voting-for-theresa-mays-brexit-deal/
One of the things I heard this morning, on the news, is that some MPs are planning to abstain in the vote or even be absent from Parliament on the day of the vote.WTF is that all about?Surely they are elected to add their weight to such decisions, not dodge them.
Looking back over this process from where Cameron made that fateful decision to have a vote is there anyone here that can say something positive about how this government has performed in any way at all, never mind just brexit is there anything at all that they have done that the majority would say ''well done guys, you got it right'' ?.
Yargo's been kidnapped and replaced by the Daily Express "Write a random word salad headline" bot.
You've got that the wrong way round Wilts. 100 Lab and 75 Con were the number of seats estimated to have vote Remain, not Leave.
If she loses the vote in Parliament badly enough to trigger a move towards a referendum, she's gone that same night. And she goes down as the most inept PM in 200 years. No politician wants that epitaph. Even if she was talented enough to pull the sort of stunt you suggest (which she isn't, not by a million miles) she's too much pride to sacrifice her reputation like that.
Here's a very intelligent guys take on Brexit. Leave voters would do well to view it.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYonSZ8s3_o
Aye, aye. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46435128Beginning of a rapid end for May.
Be interesting when Parliament votes on this. Presumably the entire Opposition plus 40-50 Hard Brexit Tory MPs will vote to to accuse the Govt of contempt. I'm struggling to think of any PM ever surviving losing a vote like this. It would be an utter humiliation. But then again, May has demonstrated for the past two years that she has no understanding of the concept of public humiliation so who knows? We're off the edge of the cliff and the normal rules no longer seem to apply.
What are the consequences legally of doing what May has done here? is it 'just' being booted out of the House etc or are there more serious potential outcomes for her?