Parliament to be prorogued

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Way to confuse people, one court says it's legal another says it is not.....

[albie]

Way to confuse people, one court says it's legal another says it is not.....

BFYP,

It is normal for the courts to refer upwards to a higher authority with a matter like this.
The appeal process allows for just such a scenario. The lower court is a kind of sieve, to assess the merit of further consideration.

For those interested, here is the Court of Session findings;
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EELEBPQWsAADkEA.jpg
and
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EELECOyWkAAO3pf.jpg

This is the summary.
Full reasoning will follow on Friday.

[Glyn_Wigley]

No that's not right Idler.

Any Company accountant who did that would be jailed if they were found out.

But this is what happens when you sack the people who would enforce it because of 'austerity'.

[bobjimwilly]

If Johnson is found to be a treasonous lying shitebag by the Supreme Court, I guess he could appeal to the European Court of Justice...

 

[SydneyRover]

I don't understand what his appeal is to anyone.

[Colemans Left Hook]

And with Parliament conveniently sidelined, so there's no way of controlling the Govt, look what the bas**rds are cooking up now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/alexGspence/status/1171419531169947648

Remember, this is Cummings who is still under criminal investigation for his actions during the 2016 Referendum. Cummings who used Cambridge Analytica to identify people who were susceptible to being bombarded with lies about the EU. Cummings who is now taking it to a whole new level. He doesn't even have to break the law on financing the operation now. He can just drag data in from every time that anyone of us uses the gov.uk website to claim benefits or pension or pay income tax or car tax or apply for a passport.

He's wanting that data about you and me and every other f**ker in the country. Presumably so he can target his lies in the General Election.

This is how is happens folks. If you just "meh" at every step, you don't deserve to live in a functioning democracy.

sorry BST we can't put the clocks back so long as long "you lot" accept cookies willie nilly this will happen just like you clean your teeth at night clean your computer.

companies actually sell data about you surely you know that

 hope you can read this story "Google accused of secretly feeding personal data to advertisers"   

https://www.ft.com/content/e3e1697e-ce57-11e9-99a4-b5ded7a7fe3f

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/09/04/google-accused-secretly-feeding-personal-data-advertisers/

[SydneyRover]

Didn't realise it was all our fault because big data companies acted unethically and illegally?

[BillyStubbsTears]

It gets deeper and murkier.

Apparently Cabinet Ministers were not given access to all the legal advice which the Govt claims it took over proroguing Parliament.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Peston/status/1171783621226745858

[drfcsteve]

Way to confuse people, one court says it's legal another says it is not.....

Yes, because the higher court is correcting the judgment of the lower court, that is how the system works. The Supreme Court will hear both cases (the Scottish one and the Gina Miller one) on Tuesday. The Supreme Court is the highest Court in the land so the Government will have no one left to appeal to after their judgment. 

[drfchound]

I do hope LNER/DNA Card are ready for the surge in train tickets to London to see Boris's head on a spike outside the Tower.

Crikey Rob, that is an interesting one.
Maybe if HS2 had been ready some people could have travelled on that, got there a few minutes faster than everyone else and got the best viewing points.

[wilts rover]

I see the line from Cummings now is that the Scottish Courts are untrustworthy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1171726506772631553

He's a f**king maniac. There is nothing he won't try to smash in order to have his way.

I saw a great quote today which referenced Cummings telling journalists yesterday to 'go listen to the people outside of London'.

He clearly didn't mean that bit of 'outside London' or those people!

[scawsby steve]

I see the line from Cummings now is that the Scottish Courts are untrustworthy.

https://mobile.twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1171726506772631553

He's a f**king maniac. There is nothing he won't try to smash in order to have his way.

I saw a great quote today which referenced Cummings telling journalists yesterday to 'go listen to the people outside of London'.

He clearly didn't mean that bit of 'outside London' or those people!

No, he meant places like Donny and Barnsley, and he's f*cking right; just wait and see.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS
Let me get this right. You REALLY believe that Cummings gives two shites about Doncaster? Honestly?


https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=273194.msg904825#msg904825

[BillyStubbsTears]

Meanwhile, on the day that the most right wing PM in 100 years has been found guilty of lying to the Queen, the BBC's flagship political interview programme has...

...a right wing interviewer interviewing a right wing minister and an unelected far right serial liar.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jason_Keen/status/1171823702478131200

That'll be the BBC that's so obsessed with "balance"that they get some crank paid by oil companies to provide "balance" every time they discuss the scientific evidence on climate change.

[SydneyRover]

''PM aide Dominic Cummings blames 'rich Remainers' in Brexit snap at TV reporter

Privately-schooled Dominic Cummings, whose baronet father-in-law owns a haunted castle, had a characteristically blunt response while leaving his £1.6m townhouse''

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/pm-aide-dominic-cummings-blames-19928675

He certainly can't have meant these, can he?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/englands-most-deprived-towns-cities-18838926

I'm losing count now, how many years have the conservatives ruled?

[DonnyOsmond]

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1171856467596578816?s=19

Yellowhammer docs thread.

[SydneyRover]

Don't worry DO there will be someone from the the brexit fan club to dismiss it shortly.

[bpoolrover]

As that is a worst case scenario I would like to see what is the most likely outcome to get a balanced view

[SydneyRover]

Just because it's a worst case scenario doesn't mean it's not a balanced and educated view, the best case scenario is no-brexit.

[SydneyRover]

Back on topic for a sec:

''Why the Scottish court ruling on proroguing Parliament is significant''

''The ruling by Scotland's highest civil court that it was illegal to shut the UK Parliament is - in the true sense of the word - extraordinary.

Normally courts do not intervene in the decisions of the government, using the principle of a "margin of appreciation," which gives ministers more leeway under the law than that of ordinary people or organisations.

So the fact that all three judges at the Court of Session have - albeit by different routes - arrived at the decision that they can intervene is highly significant''

The case was brought to the Court of Session by a cross-party group of 75 parliamentarians, who argued the PM had exceeded his powers.

Lord Doherty heard both sides of the argument and ruled last week that the issue was for the judgement of politicians and voters, and not the courts.

But when the case was taken to three appeal judges, they saw it differently.

They concluded that the PM was attempting to prevent Parliament holding the government to account, ahead of Brexit''

[wilts rover]

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1171856467596578816?s=19

Yellowhammer docs thread.

Shall we have a quiz? So what does it say in the redacted para 15?

I reckon its the troops on the streets.

[DonnyOsmond]

As that is a worst case scenario I would like to see what is the most likely outcome to get a balanced view

Reasonable worst case scenario.

[SydneyRover]

If the high court sustains the Scottish court's verdict we will know come next week hopefully. But that's not a bad guess Wilts

[DonnyOsmond]

One of the big points on there is medicine. If there's shortages on them, and I've seen a list of one's at risk and some are cancer medication, etc. That's people's lives and for what gains? Even if this is a worst case, there will still be issues and there will be needless deaths from no deal.

[SydneyRover]

That's right DO, the doctor that drew up the plan challenged Muppet Rees-Mogg after he called him a scaremonger, MRG of course backed down to show he wasn't across the detail himself.

But yes people lives at risk for no cause.

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1171856467596578816?s=19

Yellowhammer docs thread.

Shall we have a quiz? So what does it say in the redacted para 15?

I reckon its the troops on the streets.

Nope.
No petrol at the pumps for a couple of weeks, apparently.

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://mobile.twitter.com/RosamundUrwin/status/1171864228879372289

[BillyStubbsTears]

You reading that, Brexit supporters?

Yellowhammer was leaked to this journalist in August. It was headed "Base Scenario".

What's been released today is identical to the document she got last month,except it's headed "Reasonable Worst Case Scenario".

You
Are
Being
Lied
To
Systematically
By
This
Govt.

[bpoolrover]

Back on topic for a sec:

''Why the Scottish court ruling on proroguing Parliament is significant''

''The ruling by Scotland's highest civil court that it was illegal to shut the UK Parliament is - in the true sense of the word - extraordinary.

Normally courts do not intervene in the decisions of the government, using the principle of a "margin of appreciation," which gives ministers more leeway under the law than that of ordinary people or organisations.

So the fact that all three judges at the Court of Session have - albeit by different routes - arrived at the decision that they can intervene is highly significant''

The case was brought to the Court of Session by a cross-party group of 75 parliamentarians, who argued the PM had exceeded his powers.

Lord Doherty heard both sides of the argument and ruled last week that the issue was for the judgement of politicians and voters, and not the courts.

But when the case was taken to three appeal judges, they saw it differently.

They concluded that the PM was attempting to prevent Parliament holding the government to account, ahead of Brexit''

it will be only significant if next week they don’t overturn it as last week there was no problem

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool

That's wrong I'm afraid.

There wasn't "no problem" last week.

The High Court in London judged that it was a political matter and not one for the courts. They made no comment on whether Johnson had actually lied.

The Scottish Court of Session today ruled that because it was such an important issue, it WAS a matter for the court to deal with, and they judged that Johnson HAD lied.

Note that was a unanimous decision from the 3 senior judges AND the Scottish Court of Session is a higher court than the London High Court.

The Supreme Court next week may well judge that it's not a matter for the courts to interfere with. But there is no one with an ounce of integrity and self-respect who now thinks Johnson actually told the truth to the Queen.

Question is, do you care about that?