General Election 2019 - 12th December

[drfchound]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

Why will I be poorer?  I buy a house to live in, its value is meaningless whilst ever I live in it.  If I move, (unlikely now, but who knows....), the the price I will get is irrelevant as whatever happens to the price of my house will have happened equally to, and be reflected in the price of, whatever I chose to buy.
 
I am far more likely to be adversely affected financially if/when we leave the EU!

People who own a few houses might think differently to that though.
Their investment value will drop.

[Not Now Kato]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

Why will I be poorer?  I buy a house to live in, its value is meaningless whilst ever I live in it.  If I move, (unlikely now, but who knows....), the the price I will get is irrelevant as whatever happens to the price of my house will have happened equally to, and be reflected in the price of, whatever I chose to buy.
 
I am far more likely to be adversely affected financially if/when we leave the EU!

People who own a few houses might think differently to that though.
Their investment value will drop.

Indeed, but there's many more of people like me who buy a house to live in than there are people who invest in houses.  And investments always come with that warning.............

[drfchound]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

Why will I be poorer?  I buy a house to live in, its value is meaningless whilst ever I live in it.  If I move, (unlikely now, but who knows....), the the price I will get is irrelevant as whatever happens to the price of my house will have happened equally to, and be reflected in the price of, whatever I chose to buy.
 
I am far more likely to be adversely affected financially if/when we leave the EU!

People who own a few houses might think differently to that though.
Their investment value will drop.

Indeed, but there's many more of people like me who buy a house to live in than there are people who invest in houses.  And investments always come with that warning.............

Yep, agreed, but they would think differently is all I was saying.
A drop in the Inheritance Tax threshold to £125000 is not attractive to lots of people either.

[Not Now Kato]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

Why will I be poorer?  I buy a house to live in, its value is meaningless whilst ever I live in it.  If I move, (unlikely now, but who knows....), the the price I will get is irrelevant as whatever happens to the price of my house will have happened equally to, and be reflected in the price of, whatever I chose to buy.
 
I am far more likely to be adversely affected financially if/when we leave the EU!

People who own a few houses might think differently to that though.
Their investment value will drop.

Indeed, but there's many more of people like me who buy a house to live in than there are people who invest in houses.  And investments always come with that warning.............

Yep, agreed, but they would think differently is all I was saying.
A drop in the Inheritance Tax threshold to £125000 is not attractive to lots of people either.

 
Yes, but an awful lot of people who won't be affected by it will think it's a good thing - just as an awful lot of people who won't be affected by a drop in the price of housing will think it's a bad thing.
 
I sometimes wonder what they actually teach people in school these days!

[drfchound]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

Why will I be poorer?  I buy a house to live in, its value is meaningless whilst ever I live in it.  If I move, (unlikely now, but who knows....), the the price I will get is irrelevant as whatever happens to the price of my house will have happened equally to, and be reflected in the price of, whatever I chose to buy.
 
I am far more likely to be adversely affected financially if/when we leave the EU!

People who own a few houses might think differently to that though.
Their investment value will drop.

Indeed, but there's many more of people like me who buy a house to live in than there are people who invest in houses.  And investments always come with that warning.............

Yep, agreed, but they would think differently is all I was saying.
A drop in the Inheritance Tax threshold to £125000 is not attractive to lots of people either.

 
Yes, but an awful lot of people who won't be affected by it will think it's a good thing - just as an awful lot of people who won't be affected by a drop in the price of housing will think it's a bad thing.
 
I sometimes wonder what they actually teach people in school these days!

Well seeing as how I left school fifty years ago I guess I won’t be included in your last thought.

I suppose your first sentence in that last reply emphasises why people will never agree, whatever their political persuasion is.

[BillyStubbsTears]

In today's example if the Tories being utterly detached from the concept of Objective Truth, I give you...Corporation Tax.

This morning, on R4, Andrea Ledsome went to great pains to exclaim that the Tories would be cutting Corporation Tax, and that by doing so, they would get companies to pay more tax in total.

Three hours later Boris Johnson announced to the CBI that they WOULDN'T be cutting Corporation Tax, and by not cutting it, the Govt would take in £6bn more in tax.

And no f**ker gives a f**k. We are so anaesthetised to the Tories just saying anything and not being picked up on it.

[wilts rover]

It was Johnson's policy up until yesterday.

During his leadership campaign he repeatedly emphasised 'every time corporation tax has been cut in this country it has produced more revenue.'.

One story to one group of voters - another to a different group.

What;s the betting he will have 'changed his mind' again tomorrow. Changes his mind a lot this Johnson bloke.

https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/11/why-boris-johnson-u-turning-tax-cuts

[Superspy]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

Why will I be poorer?  I buy a house to live in, its value is meaningless whilst ever I live in it.  If I move, (unlikely now, but who knows....), the the price I will get is irrelevant as whatever happens to the price of my house will have happened equally to, and be reflected in the price of, whatever I chose to buy.
 
I am far more likely to be adversely affected financially if/when we leave the EU!

"its value is meaningless whilst ever I live in it" may be true if you don't have a mortgage (obviously I don't know your financial situation).

For somebody like me, with a high LTV mortgage, that 10% swing in value could have a huge impact on which LTV bracket I fall into in December 2020 when my deal is up for renewal, and in turn make a significant difference to the interest rate I pay, leaving me comparatively richer or poorer based on the value of the house.

Obviously all of that has to be balanced with what also happens to interest rates, and I don't know enough to comment on that. Just wanted to highlight that even if you only have 1 house, if you have a mortgage then the value, over time, can make a big difference.

[Donnywolf]

In today's example if the Tories being utterly detached from the concept of Objective Truth, I give you...Corporation Tax.

This morning, on R4, Andrea Ledsome went to great pains to exclaim that the Tories would be cutting Corporation Tax, and that by doing so, they would get companies to pay more tax in total.

Three hours later Boris Johnson announced to the CBI that they WOULDN'T be cutting Corporation Tax, and by not cutting it, the Govt would take in £6bn more in tax.

And no f**ker gives a f**k. We are so anaesthetised to the Tories just saying anything and not being picked up on it.

Made part of my prediction true (so far unless they change again overnight)

I said Party A would promise 20 bill for NHS (as an example of what I hate about electioneering)
Then Party B would promise 26 bill
Then Party A would suddenly find another 6 Bill from somewhere
Then (still to come to fruition) Party A (or B) whichever wins said Election announces almost immediately that having studied the figures more closely renegues on the 26 Bln and says it will put in as much as it can afford for the forseeable

[wilts rover]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

Said a bloke who voted for Brexit and a 20% fall in house prices!
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/10/would-no-deal-brexit-crash-housing-market

[BillyStubbsTears]

DON'T VOTE TO BE POORER FOLKS,  a property expert on talk radio has just said that the difference in labour or the tories winning the election will be 10% in the value of property.
  He predicted that if the tories win the election property prices will rise in 5% in 2020 and if labour win will be 5% less than current prices.
   So there you have it a vote for labour is a vote to be poorer for property owners.

Said a bloke who voted for Brexit and a 20% fall in house prices!
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/10/would-no-deal-brexit-crash-housing-market

No Wilts.

That would be the Remainers' fault, d'oh.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fascinating thread.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1196439614820671489

[bobjimwilly]

How people can openly admit Johnson is the biggest liar in UK politics but still vote for him over Corybn, or anyone else, is actually quite scary.
What would it take NOT to vote for Johnson?

[Metalmicky]

Some satire I found and thought quite funny.....

What's the difference between a computer and a Labour voter?

You only have to punch information into a computer ONCE!

(Please feel free to substitute any other political party you desire. It's a joke and not a political statement.)

[Herbert Anchovy]

During the first 2 weeks of this Election campaign the Conservative Party has:

Renamed their Twitter accounts during the leaders debate in an attempt to deliberately mislead
Doctored an interview with Keir Starmer on GMTV
Bribed Brexit Party members not to stand
Refused to publish the Russian ‘interference’ report

Can we trust them to run the country?

[idler]

You couldn't trust them to run a bath.
Surely we can't ever had such a lack of decent politicians across the board.

[Ldr]

How people can openly admit Johnson is the biggest liar in UK politics but still vote for him over Corybn, or anyone else, is actually quite scary.
What would it take NOT to vote for Johnson?

A new Labour front bench

[SydneyRover]

All it shows is that the media (see Wilts post) has persuaded the electorate that labour and Cordyn are worse than the tory's and Johnson which is unbelievable literally.

It's not black it's white

[drfchound]

All it shows is that the media (see Wilts post) has persuaded the electorate that labour and Cordyn are worse than the tory's and Johnson which is unbelievable literally.

It's not black it's white

Unbelievable , really.

[SydneyRover]

If you say so hound as Wilts said you don't have to use an excuse to vote or promote for the Tories but at least own it.

[drfchound]

It was you who said it was unbelievable Sydney.

[SydneyRover]

It was you who said it was unbelievable Sydney.

Has anyone ever seen hound and bb together, in the same room, ever?

[Bentley Bullet]

We're not allowed to be in the same room together for insurance reasons. The world would lose too much intelligence should we both perish together in an unfortunate event.

[SydneyRover]

Here I was thinking you'd be uninsurable 

[Bentley Bullet]

WE are uninsurable if we're in the same room together!

[DonnyOsmond]

https://twitter.com/BBCNWT/status/1197196302024617985?s=19

The rise in poverty isn't the Governments fault.

Because the government hasn't cut funding to local authorities due to austerity.

[SydneyRover]

Patel is dishonest and quite a piece of work really DO, it wasn't that long ago she was forced to resign

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/08/priti-patel-forced-to-resign-over-unofficial-meetings-with-israelis

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Getting away from the anti tory obsession a little bit, the Lib Dem manifesto I thought had some really interesting points about it and here is a problem.  They will claim a vote for them is a remain vote - that's the wrong direction.  How many potentially that don't want to remain are they pushing away despite some decent policies.  The whole election is flawed.

Let's see what is said after Labour's manifesto today (lets be honest on here it'll be seen as the greatest thing ever whatever is in it).

[drfchound]

Getting away from the anti tory obsession a little bit, the Lib Dem manifesto I thought had some really interesting points about it and here is a problem.  They will claim a vote for them is a remain vote - that's the wrong direction.  How many potentially that don't want to remain are they pushing away despite some decent policies.  The whole election is flawed.

Let's see what is said after Labour's manifesto today (lets be honest on here it'll be seen as the greatest thing ever whatever is in it).

Well three or four experts on the bbc lunchtime news pulled a few holes in it.
No doubt that Sydney will be telling us that these people are wrong.

[SydneyRover]

Getting away from the anti tory obsession a little bit, the Lib Dem manifesto I thought had some really interesting points about it and here is a problem.  They will claim a vote for them is a remain vote - that's the wrong direction.  How many potentially that don't want to remain are they pushing away despite some decent policies.  The whole election is flawed.

Let's see what is said after Labour's manifesto today (lets be honest on here it'll be seen as the greatest thing ever whatever is in it).
[/quote

Well three or four experts on the bbc lunchtime news pulled a few holes in it.
No doubt that Sydney will be telling us that these people are wrong.

Bfyp post this before the manifesto was published or didn't u c that?

Added: If u show us who those experts are and what they said it can b debated, it's how a sensible debate works Ldr