Trump and democracy

[belton rover]

Billy, not only are you consistently going back on your word not to engage with me anymore, now your engaging with me through other posters.

It’s very flattering, but you must try and let go while you still have some dignity.

[Not Now Kato]

[belton rover]

Who mentioned the far right?
I didn’t
Macho didn’t
Even Billy didn’t

Just you then.

So in your world the British Union of Fascists as mentioned by Macho and then Billy in posts to which you replied are not far-right!

So err, where on the political spectrum would you place the British Union of Fascists then Belton?

Macho mentioned Fascists after my comment about the tories.I have made no comment about fascists or the far right. Ever.

Who mentioned the far right?
I didn’t
Macho didn’t
Even Billy didn’t

Just you then.

So in your world the British Union of Fascists as mentioned by Macho and then Billy in posts to which you replied are not far-right!

So err, where on the political spectrum would you place the British Union of Fascists then Belton?

I introduced the Tories into a discussion about the right. Not the far right or fascists.
Macho’s post, where he never mentioned the words ‘far’ or ‘fascists’, was the post from which I quoted the Tories.

Now, as I have mentioned before, I don’t pretend to be an expert on politics, but I don’t think linking the words ‘right’ and ‘Tories‘ is misrepresentation.

One or two of you seem to be wanting to play a, potentially, very dangerous game with me.

[wilts rover]

And Macho made it clear in the next post that he was referring to the far-right/fascists when you decided to bring up the Tories.

I doubt anyone is playing any games with you, I certainly I am not.

If there is a problem here it is you not reading other people's posts properly - and reading into them things you think they have written as opposed to what they have written.

[belton rover]

But Wilts, you and others are constantly doing EXACTLY the same thing that you are accusing me of. Can you really not see that?

[i_ateallthepies]

And Macho made it clear in the next post that he was referring to the far-right/fascists when you decided to bring up the Tories.

I doubt anyone is playing any games with you, I certainly I am not.

If there is a problem here it is you not reading other people's posts properly - and reading into them things you think they have written as opposed to what they have written.

And from someone who reckons to be an examiner.  I do hope for the sake of our young people he isn't an examiner of their exam papers.

[SydneyRover]

Look I know there are good people in the states and not all are bonkers but

https://twitter.com/e10rowley/status/1300979928146612224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1300979928146612224%7Ctwgr%5Eshare_3&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theguardian.com%2Faustralia-news%2Flive%2F2020%2Fsep%2F03%2Fcoronavirus-a

[wilts rover]

Here's the endorsment we have all been waiting for:

Osma bin Laden's niece supports Trump for President:

https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1302243779932499968

[BillyStubbsTears]

So what happens in November if Trump loses in a tight race and simply refuses to accept the validity of the result because (he claims, despite having no evidence) there is massive voter fraud?

Here we go. Buckle up folks.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1308902276187262978

"Will you commit to a peaceful transition?"

No President in the history of the USA has ever had to be asked that, let alone responded, "We'll see."

And 40% of Americans still approve of him as their President. Those are the ones he's calling out to to respond when he loses in 6 weeks time.

[Donnywolf]

....and its why of course he wants to appoint the Supreme Court Judge before the Election

If he manages it (he's managed everything else he wanted to get) the SC will be made up of 6 Republican Judges and 3 Democrat Judges and he thinks they will be "minded" to support him IF he loses the Presidency and takes his bat and ball home    appeals because he thinks the Election has been rigged.

I cant believe and would never EVER have expected to see what BST has said in the post above - it makes them look like Russia with Putin amending the Rules to cling to power going forward like some African countries leader do and who "we" despise and hope someone will find a way to depose for the good of their people.
I despair

[rich1471]

The only way trump will leave the white house is by force and he will be kicking and screaming like a child

[BillyStubbsTears]

And to think. Bell ends like this will have a say in who becomes the most powerful man on earth in 6 weeks.

https://mobile.twitter.com/donie/status/1309229828768489483

Makes you wonder if Democracy is truly f**ked.

[SydneyRover]

trump tax info leaked to NYT shows either he's a crap businessman or is cheating on his tax, who'd have thought?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aye. Pick the bones out of that.

https://mobile.twitter.com/nytimes/status/1310325842535477248

[SydneyRover]

Yep and trump's side of the story ......

the Guardian live

“It’s fake news,” he says. “It’s totally fake news. Made up, fake. We went through the same stories, you could have asked me the same questions four years ago, I had to litigate this and had to talk about it. Totally fake news. Actually, I paid tax. And you’ll see that as soon as my tax returns – it’s under audit, they’ve been under audit for a long time, the IRS does not treat me well, they treat me like the Tea Party, like they treated the Tea Party, and they don’t treat me well. They treat me very badly. You have people in the IRS that treat me very, very badly. But they’re under audit. And when they’re not, I would be proud to show you. But that’s just fake news.”

[dknward2]

Still expecting him to win

[BillyStubbsTears]

Still expecting him to win

If he does now, then we know that America has given up.

He's always been a liar. Everyone has always known that.

But hey! All politicians are liars aren't they? At least Trump has been a success in the cut-throat world of business.

Except now we know that was all piss and wind. He's not made a business profit in 20 years. He has hundreds of millions of dollars of debt.

We now know for certain, he's a charlatan as well as a liar. Never been a successful businessman. Just a tax cheat and a fraud.

It's down to America to decide if it's still a serious country now.

[wilts rover]

Love this comment:

Imagine being on board with a child-caging climate change denying racist fascist sex offender with 200,000 deaths under his belt and thinking "he's crossed the line now" because he didn't pay enough tax

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1310332347506659329

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's not the tax evasion that's the key here Wilts.

It's the fact that it's now clear that he's an utter failure as a businessman.

He's made losses continuously for 20-30 years. Which raises the massive question.

Who is financing him?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Get this!

Trump's tax returns say he made losses in 2008/09 of...


....wait for it...



...wait for it...




$1.4 BILLION!

He's posted losses of $300million from his golf club empire.

He's claimed $70,000 of tax deductible expenses for hairdos.

He has claimed stupendous amounts for undetailed "consultancy costs". Many of the amounts claimed exactly match payments his company made to his daughter.

Is he actually the biggest financial criminal in US history?

[MachoMadness]

We're so far gone now that I doubt this bombshell will make a blind bit of difference. Trump's supporters won't care - they'll say it's fake news or that not paying taxes makes him smart. His opponents knew he was a crook anyway. And if anyone was still on the fence about him after everything, they'll still be on the fence now.

[dknward2]

The issue is trump supporters tend to be low iq and get behind slogans rather than the actual issue.

Like the one about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it.

I just hope the anti trump voters come out and actually vote for Biden even if they don’t support him just to stop trump getting in again

[MachoMadness]

Looks like Cambridge Analytics are back in the headlines: https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/1310584937356103686?s=19

Dollars to donuts Cummings has something similar over here, too.

[SydneyRover]

this gem popped it's head up today ...........

''Trump's bid for Sydney casino 30 years ago rejected due to 'mafia connections’''
 
''Cabinet documents reveal police warned NSW government about approving a 1986-87 plan to build city’s first casino in Darling Harbour''

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/16/trumps-bid-for-sydney-casino-30-years-ago-rejected-due-to-mafia-connections

[Donnywolf]

The issue is trump supporters tend to be low iq and get behind slogans rather than the actual issue.

Like the one about building a wall and making Mexico pay for it.

I just hope the anti trump voters come out and actually vote for Biden even if they don’t support him just to stop trump getting in again

.....mmmmm Yes maybe he missed a trick with the Mexican wall and should have simply said "and we are going to "Build Build Build" that Mexican wall"

... and they Mexico are going to have to "Pay-so give us the Pesos"

[SydneyRover]

The UK Times has a front page story with Trump quoted as saying it's fake news but the murdoch ownd NY Post doesn't bother referring to the story at all from what I can see.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The UK Times has a front page story with Trump quoted as saying it's fake news but the murdoch ownd NY Post doesn't bother referring to the story at all from what I can see.

He's been laying the ground work for this approach for years.

The chosen approach on the Right these days is not to engage in discussion. It's to deny the objective reality. Trump is the master of this in that he's not even subtle about it. His "Fake Noos" line repeated ad naseum for half a decade has told millions and millions of people on the Right exactly what they want to hear.

"Don't engage with information that goes against your gut instinct. They are trying to deceive you. But you know what your gut is telling you. So go with your gut, not with these "facts"!"

I truly fear where that is going to take us because it's not going away. The Right hasn't had a political philosophy to justify its existence for 2 decades. It exists purely as a vehicle for power. And it sees that this approach works. Not trying to win an honest argument about the direction of society. Just stoking up resentment and telling the resentful it is on their side. I fear it's going to get a lot worse. Possibly starting in November when Trump loses heavily and refuses to step down.

[Donnywolf]

I think that is what he will do.

I am no expert in Politics especially those of the USA but it looks like he is stoking the fires by pumping up his potential supporters that the Election has been stolen and he is the rightful winner

If he loses 52 - 48 it will be interesting to see what people think of a democratic result of that scale

Again no one is harking back to the Florida "pregnant" chads where some Cards stamped in favour of Democrat Al Gore were challenged and deemed invalid - and such a small number of votes cost Al Gore Florida which carried enough "clout" to have made nim President (might have been 6 Seats or however they count up)

[SydneyRover]

I read an article about him the other day which said that he lives in the present that everything done is to deal with what needs to be dealt now without thought for tomorrow or the consequenses and the fake noos bit fits in with that as it allows him to deal with the past in the same way it's all fake there's no baggage. Maybe that's why people that don't delve too deeply believe him because he believes it himself.

[ravenrover]

Did I hear correctly this morning that he has done no preparation for the up coming presidential debate and will rely only on intellect?