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Glyn it's highly likely that AZ are meeting their obligations as their obligations to existing contracts should typically be met first, that would be reasonable of them and a good reason why they aren't obliged to meet the EU order.You'd love criticising Boris if it was the other way around. The EU have massively got this wrong. I think actually the EU is too big to cope with the individual member states requirements in this case. It just hasn't worked.
Glyn. I never mentioned Selby. I said ‘anyone’. I never said whether I agreed with him or you or anyone else.I’m entitled to observe, and read and quietly come to my own conclusions. My conclusion is that whenever anyone tries to offer a Brexit benefit, they are shot down. It seems to me that your obsession with Selby has spilled over to my post.As for ‘not even me’ nailing my colours to his mast’ - what on earth does that mean?For what it’s worth, I don’t think I’ve ever had a direct conversation with Selby, for or against anything (though I’d be happy to be corrected on that).I do enjoy reading his pre match threads, though.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 29, 2021, 03:47:51 pmGlyn it's highly likely that AZ are meeting their obligations as their obligations to existing contracts should typically be met first, that would be reasonable of them and a good reason why they aren't obliged to meet the EU order.You'd love criticising Boris if it was the other way around. The EU have massively got this wrong. I think actually the EU is too big to cope with the individual member states requirements in this case. It just hasn't worked.I'm with you on this BFYP. The UK has absolutely got the vaccine procurement right and the EU has been woeful. I heard an EU official the other day saying that it was important to them that they screwed the price down. That is beyond belief. They will need a billion vaccine does. If they save 5 Euros on each one, that is a pin prick compared to what they will lose by being even a week late in vaccinating.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 29, 2021, 04:35:12 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 29, 2021, 03:47:51 pmGlyn it's highly likely that AZ are meeting their obligations as their obligations to existing contracts should typically be met first, that would be reasonable of them and a good reason why they aren't obliged to meet the EU order.You'd love criticising Boris if it was the other way around. The EU have massively got this wrong. I think actually the EU is too big to cope with the individual member states requirements in this case. It just hasn't worked.I'm with you on this BFYP. The UK has absolutely got the vaccine procurement right and the EU has been woeful. I heard an EU official the other day saying that it was important to them that they screwed the price down. That is beyond belief. They will need a billion vaccine does. If they save 5 Euros on each one, that is a pin prick compared to what they will lose by being even a week late in vaccinating.Cheeky t**ts, AZ are supplying the vaccine at cost, as far as I’m concerned the EU are behind us in the queue, they ordered 3 months later than us, so one benefit of brexit is we didn’t join their procurement process
Quote from: belton rover on January 29, 2021, 04:31:21 pmGlyn. I never mentioned Selby. I said ‘anyone’. I never said whether I agreed with him or you or anyone else.I’m entitled to observe, and read and quietly come to my own conclusions. My conclusion is that whenever anyone tries to offer a Brexit benefit, they are shot down. It seems to me that your obsession with Selby has spilled over to my post.As for ‘not even me’ nailing my colours to his mast’ - what on earth does that mean?For what it’s worth, I don’t think I’ve ever had a direct conversation with Selby, for or against anything (though I’d be happy to be corrected on that).I do enjoy reading his pre match threads, though.Surely you'd agree that any claims of Brexit benefits that weren't genuine should be challenged? That's only right.Which goes back to - which genuine Brexit benefit in your opinion has been unfairly shot down though? You must have some in mind for you to have said that in the first place. No one else can decide what your opinion is, only you, so I'd be interested to know.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 29, 2021, 04:42:56 pmQuote from: belton rover on January 29, 2021, 04:31:21 pmGlyn. I never mentioned Selby. I said ‘anyone’. I never said whether I agreed with him or you or anyone else.I’m entitled to observe, and read and quietly come to my own conclusions. My conclusion is that whenever anyone tries to offer a Brexit benefit, they are shot down. It seems to me that your obsession with Selby has spilled over to my post.As for ‘not even me’ nailing my colours to his mast’ - what on earth does that mean?For what it’s worth, I don’t think I’ve ever had a direct conversation with Selby, for or against anything (though I’d be happy to be corrected on that).I do enjoy reading his pre match threads, though.Surely you'd agree that any claims of Brexit benefits that weren't genuine should be challenged? That's only right.Which goes back to - which genuine Brexit benefit in your opinion has been unfairly shot down though? You must have some in mind for you to have said that in the first place. No one else can decide what your opinion is, only you, so I'd be interested to know.I never said any opinions had been unfairly shot down.
Quote from: Filo on January 29, 2021, 04:43:29 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 29, 2021, 04:35:12 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 29, 2021, 03:47:51 pmGlyn it's highly likely that AZ are meeting their obligations as their obligations to existing contracts should typically be met first, that would be reasonable of them and a good reason why they aren't obliged to meet the EU order.You'd love criticising Boris if it was the other way around. The EU have massively got this wrong. I think actually the EU is too big to cope with the individual member states requirements in this case. It just hasn't worked.I'm with you on this BFYP. The UK has absolutely got the vaccine procurement right and the EU has been woeful. I heard an EU official the other day saying that it was important to them that they screwed the price down. That is beyond belief. They will need a billion vaccine does. If they save 5 Euros on each one, that is a pin prick compared to what they will lose by being even a week late in vaccinating.Cheeky t**ts, AZ are supplying the vaccine at cost, as far as I’m concerned the EU are behind us in the queue, they ordered 3 months later than us, so one benefit of brexit is we didn’t join their procurement processWhose fault is it that AstraZenica aren't fulfilling their contract - AstraZenica or the EU?Yes, I agree that the EU are behind the UK in the queue and the UK should get their order fulfilled first, but the nub of the situation is that there should be a queue in the first place. Whose fault is it that there IS a queue?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 29, 2021, 04:46:43 pmQuote from: Filo on January 29, 2021, 04:43:29 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 29, 2021, 04:35:12 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 29, 2021, 03:47:51 pmGlyn it's highly likely that AZ are meeting their obligations as their obligations to existing contracts should typically be met first, that would be reasonable of them and a good reason why they aren't obliged to meet the EU order.You'd love criticising Boris if it was the other way around. The EU have massively got this wrong. I think actually the EU is too big to cope with the individual member states requirements in this case. It just hasn't worked.I'm with you on this BFYP. The UK has absolutely got the vaccine procurement right and the EU has been woeful. I heard an EU official the other day saying that it was important to them that they screwed the price down. That is beyond belief. They will need a billion vaccine does. If they save 5 Euros on each one, that is a pin prick compared to what they will lose by being even a week late in vaccinating.Cheeky t**ts, AZ are supplying the vaccine at cost, as far as I’m concerned the EU are behind us in the queue, they ordered 3 months later than us, so one benefit of brexit is we didn’t join their procurement processWhose fault is it that AstraZenica aren't fulfilling their contract - AstraZenica or the EU?Yes, I agree that the EU are behind the UK in the queue and the UK should get their order fulfilled first, but the nub of the situation is that there should be a queue in the first place. Whose fault is it that there IS a queue?You tell me, the fact of the matter is the EU has ballsed it up, now they want to be clever t**ts demanding supplies be diverted from the UK, for once our Govt has been in front of the curve on this, if they want to be clever t**ts let them have it, but not at cost
Quote from: belton rover on January 29, 2021, 04:54:07 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 29, 2021, 04:42:56 pmQuote from: belton rover on January 29, 2021, 04:31:21 pmGlyn. I never mentioned Selby. I said ‘anyone’. I never said whether I agreed with him or you or anyone else.I’m entitled to observe, and read and quietly come to my own conclusions. My conclusion is that whenever anyone tries to offer a Brexit benefit, they are shot down. It seems to me that your obsession with Selby has spilled over to my post.As for ‘not even me’ nailing my colours to his mast’ - what on earth does that mean?For what it’s worth, I don’t think I’ve ever had a direct conversation with Selby, for or against anything (though I’d be happy to be corrected on that).I do enjoy reading his pre match threads, though.Surely you'd agree that any claims of Brexit benefits that weren't genuine should be challenged? That's only right.Which goes back to - which genuine Brexit benefit in your opinion has been unfairly shot down though? You must have some in mind for you to have said that in the first place. No one else can decide what your opinion is, only you, so I'd be interested to know.I never said any opinions had been unfairly shot down.So what are you moaning about? That opinions of benefits were challenged at all?
Filo, you must know that bullies always want to dominate everyone else.
29 days in to the Brexit agreement and the EU have invoked article 16 regarding the Northern Ireland protocol, effectivley placing a Land Border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland, I’m starting to think that the EU are the flat track bully’s many said they were
Well apparently a vital ingredient for the Pzifer vaccine is made at Croda in the UK, maybe a UK embargo stopping that ingredient being exported might bring them to their senses. Johnson should be onto his Irish counterpart explaining it’s the EU that have thrown Ireland under the bus
Quote from: Filo on January 29, 2021, 08:48:57 pmWell apparently a vital ingredient for the Pzifer vaccine is made at Croda in the UK, maybe a UK embargo stopping that ingredient being exported might bring them to their senses. Johnson should be onto his Irish counterpart explaining it’s the EU that have thrown Ireland under the busWhat if Pfizer then stopped production of it completely as a protest?
Stupid decision but quickly corrected. Doesn't make the original decision any less stupid though.
Wilts. It was the symbolic aspect. The totally over the top action in triggering A16, which is supposed to be invoked only in the forest of circumstances. It was triggered as part of the EU policy of preventing frictionless export of EU-produced vaccines. That policy in itself is very worrying and feels like a populist response to a situation they seem to have managed very badly. But invoking A16 as part of that was beyond stupid. Because it has stoked up anger on BOTH sides of the sectarian divide in Northern Ireland. And doing it with informing either the Irish or British Govts was pretty much beyond belief.I HOPE this was a jobsworth official implementing policy as they saw fit. If it was a political decision from higher up, it is very worrying.
Wilts, we are their biggest market, Eires and the EU part of that market will be else where as time goes by as our trade with the world will. The illegal part of the Eire to Nortern Ireland business unhindered by checks up to now, but now a problem will hurt the people of Eire much more than the legal business which in value compared to illegal arms and drugs is a drop in the ocean.