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Quote from: belton rover on June 26, 2021, 11:40:58 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 26, 2021, 11:32:55 pmAh, now we've got to the issue Belton. It's not toxicity that you object to. It's toxicity directed at you personally. If you'd said that months ago, it would have been much clearer.I didn’t realise you were being provocatively, personally toxic.Know I know.A few months ago, you made a good point about the need for us all to try to be a bit less personal in here. I agreed.Since then I have tried very hard not to instigate personal fights. I think I'm right in saying that in your case I haven't started any personal digs.In this very thread, your first contribution was a pop at anyone who was concerned about Hancock's antics. Your second was a little dig at me on a subject that you have given your opinion several times before. Maybe that was light-hearted, I don't know, but in the context of previous interactions, there hasn't been much light-heartedness.Maybe if you dialled it down a bit, you could play your own part in this place being less toxic?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 26, 2021, 11:32:55 pmAh, now we've got to the issue Belton. It's not toxicity that you object to. It's toxicity directed at you personally. If you'd said that months ago, it would have been much clearer.I didn’t realise you were being provocatively, personally toxic.Know I know.
Ah, now we've got to the issue Belton. It's not toxicity that you object to. It's toxicity directed at you personally. If you'd said that months ago, it would have been much clearer.
BST, seeing as you class being toxic as someone who disagrees with you, or any of your handful of supporters, what is your ultimate aim regarding the future of this forum? Would detoxing the forum basically lead to just a handful of BST supporters being on it?
Back on topic, here's a list of what this episode says about Hancock.1) He broke a law that he signed on household bubble mixing.2) By breaking the law, he lost any possible credibility in his future ability to require other people to toe the line.3) He ignored Govt requirements of transparency in recruiting senior staff in his department.4) He had an affair with a non-exec director in his department whose very job was to hold him to account.5) In doing so, he undermined every interaction that Coladangelo had with other staff, because there is a clear danger that private discussions with them could get back to her lover.6) He broke the Ministerial Code in conducting that affair.7) In having that affair, he left himself open to potential blackmail and would without question have violated his Developed Vetting status that is required for access to Top Secret information.Every single one of those points should have required his immediate dismissal.But the PM decided that a half apology was grounds to keep him on.
Belton. If I've misrepresented your words, please point out where and I'll gladly withdraw.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on June 27, 2021, 12:24:30 amBST, seeing as you class being toxic as someone who disagrees with you, or any of your handful of supporters, what is your ultimate aim regarding the future of this forum? Would detoxing the forum basically lead to just a handful of BST supporters being on it?BB. I've no idea how you come to that conclusion in your first line, so rather than get into a pointless argument, I'll pass.
By the way, I've just listened to R4's Any Questions from before Hancock's resignation.Absolute gem from Jenrick. He said that Hancock had apologised and as we need the Health Secretary to guide us through the pandemic, we should let him get back "on the job".You could not script that.
By the way, I've just listened to R4's Any Questions from before Hancock's resignation.Absolute gem from Jenrick. He said that Hancock had apologised and as we need the Health Secretary to guide us through the pandemic, we should let him get back "on the job".You could not script that.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 27, 2021, 12:34:28 amBy the way, I've just listened to R4's Any Questions from before Hancock's resignation.Absolute gem from Jenrick. He said that Hancock had apologised and as we need the Health Secretary to guide us through the pandemic, we should let him get back "on the job".You could not script that. Of course we need the Health Secetary to help guide us through the pandemic.
By the way, I've just listened to R4's Any Questions from before Hancock's resignation.Absolute gem from Jenrick. He said that Hancock had apologised and as we need the Health Secretary to guide us through the pandemic, we should let him get back "on the job".You could not script that.
Belton I didn't say you had. I said you couldn't resist a couple of personal digs in your first two posts on this thread.
BST, you really have got an amazing job as judge and jury in deciding what is light hearted and what is toxic on this forum. Who actually gave you the job?
Put you choices here:
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on June 27, 2021, 12:34:28 amBy the way, I've just listened to R4's Any Questions from before Hancock's resignation.Absolute gem from Jenrick. He said that Hancock had apologised and as we need the Health Secretary to guide us through the pandemic, we should let him get back "on the job".You could not script that.this is a gem too''In his resignation letter Hancock said: “We have worked so hard as a country to fight the pandemic. The last thing I would want is for my private life to distract attention from the single-minded focus that is leading us out of this crisis. I want to reiterate my apology for breaking the guidance, and apologise to my family and loved ones for putting them through this. I also need [to] be with my children at this time.”
Guy has made a huge mistake. But some of the comments that have been made on social media are way ott. Makes you think the posters have serious issues.
Quote from: DRCraig on June 28, 2021, 11:42:21 amGuy has made a huge mistake. But some of the comments that have been made on social media are way ott. Makes you think the posters have serious issues.I like your spirit, DRC, but don’t waste your time on here suggesting that Hancock deserves anything less than whatever hideous things you’ve seen on social media.
Quote from: DRCraig on June 28, 2021, 11:42:21 amGuy has made a huge mistake. But some of the comments that have been made on social media are way ott. Makes you think the posters have serious issues.Huge mistakes!!! He has lied to his family, lied to the country, employed his mistress to a job she wasn't qualified for, conducted government business - which involved awarding billions of pounds of contracts - via private email address as well as being a huge hypocrite on the laws he himself drafted - all on your money! Noe of it was a mistake - it was all done deliberately and arrogantly.But don't worry, some people will still excuse him. Oh look...