Channel crossing record beat.(again and again and again)

[Not Now Kato]

Yeah, there is nothing to say they should stay in the first safe country. That's some GB News style bullshit.

You will be happy for them to live next door to you then, and to have any of their kids tying up the teachers at school affecting the education of our own which we have paid for?

Yeah, I suppose so. Are you saying you don't want any asylum seekers ever in this country because of the affects, such as having to give them educations? It's pure luck where people are born, some people are unfortunately born in war torn countries, others in well off countries such as the UK, does that mean the unlucky ones don't deserve opportunities to better themselves because of invisible lines in the ground?

We are one of the most densely populated countries in the world. Everywhere you look houses are being built destroying the countryside and wildlife habitats. You can't get a dentist without driving miles and doctor's appointments are hard to get. At what point do we say enough is enough, or do we just keep on relentlessly increasing the population? Overpopulation is IMO the number one problem facing the world today. Most other problems, such as allleged climate change are a symptom of this. Yes, i do consider myself to have been fortunate to be born British, but that doesn't mean just because we're doing ok that we have to look after the rest of the world. Maybe these people should work hard and improve their own countries rather than taking the easy option and rolling up here. Why do they all want to come here rather than go to any other country when we are constantly being told how evil and racist we are?

It's an interesting point , why indeed risk the english channel and pay even more  money to traffickers when you have already landed on safe territory in France .

It's totally unacceptable that the UK taxpayer should be asked to fund their lives whilst they are detained in the UK awaiting judgment on their status .

This is a country who can't even feed its own low income population without foodbanks .

I'm not against asylum seekers for the record but it has to be strictly controlled and our waters policed far better .

Total abject failure from the government which to be honest isn't entirely unsurprising .

Perhaps because the can speak English and not French?

[DonnyOsmond]

Yeah, there is nothing to say they should stay in the first safe country. That's some GB News style bullshit.

You will be happy for them to live next door to you then, and to have any of their kids tying up the teachers at school affecting the education of our own which we have paid for?

Yeah, I suppose so. Are you saying you don't want any asylum seekers ever in this country because of the affects, such as having to give them educations? It's pure luck where people are born, some people are unfortunately born in war torn countries, others in well off countries such as the UK, does that mean the unlucky ones don't deserve opportunities to better themselves because of invisible lines in the ground?

We are one of the most densely populated countries in the world. Everywhere you look houses are being built destroying the countryside and wildlife habitats. You can't get a dentist without driving miles and doctor's appointments are hard to get. At what point do we say enough is enough, or do we just keep on relentlessly increasing the population? Overpopulation is IMO the number one problem facing the world today. Most other problems, such as allleged climate change are a symptom of this. Yes, i do consider myself to have been fortunate to be born British, but that doesn't mean just because we're doing ok that we have to look after the rest of the world. Maybe these people should work hard and improve their own countries rather than taking the easy option and rolling up here. Why do they all want to come here rather than go to any other country when we are constantly being told how evil and racist we are?

You're very naïve if you think they can just "work hard and improve their own countries". They come here in some cases because if they don't then they could be killed. A lot of refugees hear good things about the UK, they'll occasionally have family here or find the language easier to learn. Overall we nowhere near have the largest intake percentage wise of refugees, and as part of the EU their was the Dublin Regulations which allowed us to send any refugees back to the first EU country they arrived in, we don't have that anymore.

[tyke1962]

I might also like to add that cutting foreign aid isn't exactly helpful when it comes to economic migrants seeking asylum status .

The foreign aid sent was never the issue in my opinion and was more a case of how that aid was spent in the receiving country .

Once again we are back to controls in place that ensure foreign aid is used effectively to build country's economy's so they can prosper .

You never give a starving man a fish to satisfy his hunger , you offer him a fishing rod .

[Herbert Anchovy]

Foreign aid was never used to help support the population of the said country. It was used for bribes and to buy votes at places such as the UN.

[Axholme Lion]

Yeah, there is nothing to say they should stay in the first safe country. That's some GB News style bullshit.

You will be happy for them to live next door to you then, and to have any of their kids tying up the teachers at school affecting the education of our own which we have paid for?

Yeah, I suppose so. Are you saying you don't want any asylum seekers ever in this country because of the affects, such as having to give them educations? It's pure luck where people are born, some people are unfortunately born in war torn countries, others in well off countries such as the UK, does that mean the unlucky ones don't deserve opportunities to better themselves because of invisible lines in the ground?

We are one of the most densely populated countries in the world. Everywhere you look houses are being built destroying the countryside and wildlife habitats. You can't get a dentist without driving miles and doctor's appointments are hard to get. At what point do we say enough is enough, or do we just keep on relentlessly increasing the population? Overpopulation is IMO the number one problem facing the world today. Most other problems, such as allleged climate change are a symptom of this. Yes, i do consider myself to have been fortunate to be born British, but that doesn't mean just because we're doing ok that we have to look after the rest of the world. Maybe these people should work hard and improve their own countries rather than taking the easy option and rolling up here. Why do they all want to come here rather than go to any other country when we are constantly being told how evil and racist we are?

You're very naïve if you think they can just "work hard and improve their own countries". They come here in some cases because if they don't then they could be killed. A lot of refugees hear good things about the UK, they'll occasionally have family here or find the language easier to learn. Overall we nowhere near have the largest intake percentage wise of refugees, and as part of the EU their was the Dublin Regulations which allowed us to send any refugees back to the first EU country they arrived in, we don't have that anymore.

If they're not prepared to make an effort in their own country what makes you think they will do it here? I just don't see it as our problem. It's just not true they are the waifs and strays of the world looking for a safe haven. Why do we see loads of fit and healthy young men? Do we really want the country overrun by the likes of what we see hanging around the streets of Hexthorpe? Enver Hoxha had the right idea about controlling borders.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I might also like to add that cutting foreign aid isn't exactly helpful when it comes to economic migrants seeking asylum status .

The foreign aid sent was never the issue in my opinion and was more a case of how that aid was spent in the receiving country .

Once again we are back to controls in place that ensure foreign aid is used effectively to build country's economy's so they can prosper .

You never give a starving man a fish to satisfy his hunger , you offer him a fishing rod .

Are there people who actually think foreign aid is spent the same way as donated charity money?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Yeah, there is nothing to say they should stay in the first safe country. That's some GB News style bullshit.

You will be happy for them to live next door to you then, and to have any of their kids tying up the teachers at school affecting the education of our own which we have paid for?

Yeah, I suppose so. Are you saying you don't want any asylum seekers ever in this country because of the affects, such as having to give them educations? It's pure luck where people are born, some people are unfortunately born in war torn countries, others in well off countries such as the UK, does that mean the unlucky ones don't deserve opportunities to better themselves because of invisible lines in the ground?

We are one of the most densely populated countries in the world. Everywhere you look houses are being built destroying the countryside and wildlife habitats. You can't get a dentist without driving miles and doctor's appointments are hard to get. At what point do we say enough is enough, or do we just keep on relentlessly increasing the population? Overpopulation is IMO the number one problem facing the world today. Most other problems, such as allleged climate change are a symptom of this. Yes, i do consider myself to have been fortunate to be born British, but that doesn't mean just because we're doing ok that we have to look after the rest of the world. Maybe these people should work hard and improve their own countries rather than taking the easy option and rolling up here. Why do they all want to come here rather than go to any other country when we are constantly being told how evil and racist we are?

You're very naïve if you think they can just "work hard and improve their own countries". They come here in some cases because if they don't then they could be killed. A lot of refugees hear good things about the UK, they'll occasionally have family here or find the language easier to learn. Overall we nowhere near have the largest intake percentage wise of refugees, and as part of the EU their was the Dublin Regulations which allowed us to send any refugees back to the first EU country they arrived in, we don't have that anymore.

If they're not prepared to make an effort in their own country what makes you think they will do it here? I just don't see it as our problem. It's just not true they are the waifs and strays of the world looking for a safe haven. Why do we see loads of fit and healthy young men? Do we really want the country overrun by the likes of what we see hanging around the streets of Hexthorpe? Enver Hoxha had the right idea about controlling borders.

Bloody hell, AL lauding a Communist. He'll be supporting Brighton next.

[normal rules]

People need to go down the local car wash and speak to the lads down there. I’m friendly with a few Kurds who work down our local car wash. They have told me straight why they came here. Easy money. Cash paid. Get away without paying tax. No NI. No council tax.  Send money back home.  They have both said when they have sent enough money home, then they will return to Kurdistan.

[SydneyRover]

Surely we must be able to find out who these traffickers are.  The boats that these refugees come over on must be bought from somewhere - surely we should be able to scrutinise and monitor sales of such craft - or even make it a requirement that they must be registered. 

At worst we must have the technology at our disposal to see these craft and monitor their routes.  Not sure what the rules are about returning them back to where they came, but it appears that the French/ Belgium authorities aren't exactly breaking a leg to stop them embarking...

There's probably someone profiteering from it, buying cheap inflatables here taking them to Calais and selling them at double the price?

https://www.gumtree.com/search?search_category=all&q=inflatable%20boat

[Axholme Lion]

Yeah, there is nothing to say they should stay in the first safe country. That's some GB News style bullshit.

You will be happy for them to live next door to you then, and to have any of their kids tying up the teachers at school affecting the education of our own which we have paid for?

Yeah, I suppose so. Are you saying you don't want any asylum seekers ever in this country because of the affects, such as having to give them educations? It's pure luck where people are born, some people are unfortunately born in war torn countries, others in well off countries such as the UK, does that mean the unlucky ones don't deserve opportunities to better themselves because of invisible lines in the ground?

We are one of the most densely populated countries in the world. Everywhere you look houses are being built destroying the countryside and wildlife habitats. You can't get a dentist without driving miles and doctor's appointments are hard to get. At what point do we say enough is enough, or do we just keep on relentlessly increasing the population? Overpopulation is IMO the number one problem facing the world today. Most other problems, such as allleged climate change are a symptom of this. Yes, i do consider myself to have been fortunate to be born British, but that doesn't mean just because we're doing ok that we have to look after the rest of the world. Maybe these people should work hard and improve their own countries rather than taking the easy option and rolling up here. Why do they all want to come here rather than go to any other country when we are constantly being told how evil and racist we are?

You're very naïve if you think they can just "work hard and improve their own countries". They come here in some cases because if they don't then they could be killed. A lot of refugees hear good things about the UK, they'll occasionally have family here or find the language easier to learn. Overall we nowhere near have the largest intake percentage wise of refugees, and as part of the EU their was the Dublin Regulations which allowed us to send any refugees back to the first EU country they arrived in, we don't have that anymore.

If they're not prepared to make an effort in their own country what makes you think they will do it here? I just don't see it as our problem. It's just not true they are the waifs and strays of the world looking for a safe haven. Why do we see loads of fit and healthy young men? Do we really want the country overrun by the likes of what we see hanging around the streets of Hexthorpe? Enver Hoxha had the right idea about controlling borders.

Bloody hell, AL lauding a Communist. He'll be supporting Brighton next.

  I don't think Comrade Hoxha would have been very keen on that kind of Socialism.

[Glyn_Wigley]

He wouldn't have been. He was a rabid Communist.

[Axholme Lion]

He wouldn't have been. He was a rabid Communist.

Fair play to him though he stuck to his principles and kept his country on it's chosen course. I dare say Albania was a better place in his day, he wouldn't have put up with all these gangsters.

[Glyn_Wigley]

He wouldn't have been. He was a rabid Communist.

Fair play to him though he stuck to his principles and kept his country on it's chosen course. I dare say Albania was a better place in his day, he wouldn't have put up with all these gangsters.

"He also outlawed religion, traveling abroad, and private property, shutting down all churches and mosques in Albania. Under his regime, thousands of perceived dissidents were executed, and tens of thousands more were imprisoned or sent to forced labor camps."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_Hoxha

Your ideal dictatorship, I believe.

[Axholme Lion]

He wouldn't have been. He was a rabid Communist.

Fair play to him though he stuck to his principles and kept his country on it's chosen course. I dare say Albania was a better place in his day, he wouldn't have put up with all these gangsters.

"He also outlawed religion, traveling abroad, and private property, shutting down all churches and mosques in Albania. Under his regime, thousands of perceived dissidents were executed, and tens of thousands more were imprisoned or sent to forced labor camps."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enver_Hoxha

Your ideal dictatorship, I believe.

Yes, he's my hero.

[Glyn_Wigley]

But of course. You've been a big ol' leftie from the start really haven't you.

[tyke1962]

The link clears up some of the views posted on this thread .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-53734793

[Sprotyrover]

Britons may be economic migrants in the longer term.

Says the'Whingeing POM!

[wilts rover]

And this is where spreading lies and fake news alongside belittling people who show compasion for others gets you. Fascists attacking lifeboat crews:



https://twitter.com/TowerRNLI/status/1418703723631624199

[SydneyRover]

Britons may be economic migrants in the longer term.

Says the'Whingeing POM!

whinge is an Irish term Sprot

[Axholme Lion]

But of course. You've been a big ol' leftie from the start really haven't you.

 

[SydneyRover]

Surely we must be able to find out who these traffickers are.  The boats that these refugees come over on must be bought from somewhere - surely we should be able to scrutinise and monitor sales of such craft - or even make it a requirement that they must be registered. 

At worst we must have the technology at our disposal to see these craft and monitor their routes.  Not sure what the rules are about returning them back to where they came, but it appears that the French/ Belgium authorities aren't exactly breaking a leg to stop them embarking...

There's probably someone profiteering from it, buying cheap inflatables here taking them to Calais and selling them at double the price?

https://www.gumtree.com/search?search_category=all&q=inflatable%20boat

''Police buy up boats to stop illegal crossings''

''Police have bought up small boats in an efforts to curb channel migrant crossings'' reports from the Daily Polygraph

''The NCA has discovered networks of organised criminal gangs buying them in the UK and then sending them to traffickers in France''

[Axholme Lion]

Wouldn't it have been cheaper to cut a hole in them?

[normal rules]

They bought on the internet from China and shipped to places like Belgium, before being transported to France. They will never stop this.

[Axholme Lion]

They bought on the internet from China and shipped to places like Belgium, before being transported to France. They will never stop this.

Why is the Royal Navy pissing around near Russia? Get them back home to defend our shores.

[bobjimwilly]

They bought on the internet from China and shipped to places like Belgium, before being transported to France. They will never stop this.

Why is the Royal Navy pissing around near Russia? Get them back home to defend our shores.

there's nothing to defend against

[bobjimwilly]

We are one of the most densely populated countries in the world.

we are 15th. take out London, we wouldn't even be top 40.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density

[Axholme Lion]

They bought on the internet from China and shipped to places like Belgium, before being transported to France. They will never stop this.

Why is the Royal Navy pissing around near Russia? Get them back home to defend our shores.

there's nothing to defend against

Loads of young men of fighting age coming from God knows where to gain access to our country and benefits system. How many are IS plants? Nobody knows, however you can have them live next door to yourself if you're happy with the situation.

[bobjimwilly]

Completely disgusting how the RNLI are being used to ferry these economic migrants across from a safe country .

Wonder how this affects the RNLI response times for genuine people in distress .

Hopefully tge economic migrants get sent back ASAP to the first safe country they landed in .
Then if they still want to come to the UK,  they can apply through the proper channels .

Volunteers of the RNLI save anyone in distress at sea; it's disgusting how people like you are suggesting they should let people drown purely because of where they come from.
These asylum seekers are in distress, hence why the RNLI are helping.

If they are seeking asylum they aren't migrants, and they aren't breaking any laws by a) crossing the channel b) seeking asylum

Did I mention how its disgusting you would prefer these human beings drown at sea?

[bobjimwilly]

Loads of young men of fighting age coming from God knows where to gain access to our country and benefits system. How many are IS plants? Nobody knows, however you can have them live next door to yourself if you're happy with the situation.

I'd happy have them live next door to me.
Whereas if you did I'd let my dog shit all over your grass on the daily.

[Axholme Lion]

We are one of the most densely populated countries in the world.

we are 15th. take out London, we wouldn't even be top 40.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population_density

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countries

Once you have discounted countries the size of a postage stamp we look pretty high up the list in Europe and would be even higher if we took England in isolation as opposed to the UK.