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Yes they are.. economic refugees!
Wash rinse repeat .......''Clear majority of people crossing Channel are refugees, says UNHCRUN agency says most arriving in UK by small boat should not be called migrants, in challenge to Priti Patel''https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/jun/02/clear-majority-of-people-crossing-channel-are-refugees-says-unhcr
Just to set out the utter moral vacuum at the heart of this Government, the plan is to send 15 Syrians to Rwanda. That's 15 people who have fled another one of Putin's bestial wars.They won't send them of course, beuse as ever, the Home Office will have played fast and loose with the legal process. There will be appeals. Patel will put her Himmler face on and play to the reactionary pensioners in the Culture War, with lines about lefty activist lawyers from the Elite stopping you having your pound of flesh.And does anyone think for a minute it's a coincidence that this has been announced as the 54 letter target is hoving into view?
I think his point is that no one has said a word about the EU policy.Some might say, why has that got anything to do with us because we are in another country.
Quote from: drfchound on June 11, 2022, 07:17:31 pmI think his point is that no one has said a word about the EU policy.Some might say, why has that got anything to do with us because we are in another country.Your right it doesn't have anything to do with us as a different country. But his point does stand that there is always a certain hypocrisy from some of the biggest whiners about all things and everything when it's done here but not a murmur when the same things are occurring elsewhere in the world. Some of the climate change rent a mob are some of the worst, they complain about our emissions but not a word is spoken about what happens in the far east where they buy there bundles of crap from, jump on planes to holiday destinations and have their heating on full blast all autumn and winter, like anything they do doesn't matter, it has to be someone else, shocking.Back to genuine refugees, its pretty obvious that there are a sizable number of these on the continent who wish to come here for various reason, (language, family ties, friends, the British way of life?)whats desperately required is a solution that allows these people to stake their claims in their current place of abode, to be processed by competent border control and when all criteria is satisfied to allow them to come here by convectional means, the people smugglers must be taken out of the equation, if this happens then we might just find that the overall coast to the country is reduced by billions. This is taken off the front pages and people can get back to moaning about something else.
Look up what the UK signed up to in 1951 the UNHCR refugee convention that should tell you something about it. Although the government you put in doesn't appear to care for laws that don't suit them aye?
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 11, 2022, 11:34:54 pmLook up what the UK signed up to in 1951 the UNHCR refugee convention that should tell you something about it. Although the government you put in doesn't appear to care for laws that don't suit them aye? Genuine Refugees WelcomeIllegal migrants Not WelcomeTelling the difference? Thats the million dollar question
Quote from: Ldr on June 12, 2022, 10:55:51 amQuote from: SydneyRover on June 11, 2022, 11:34:54 pmLook up what the UK signed up to in 1951 the UNHCR refugee convention that should tell you something about it. Although the government you put in doesn't appear to care for laws that don't suit them aye? Genuine Refugees WelcomeIllegal migrants Not WelcomeTelling the difference? Thats the million dollar question75% of arrivals to year end March 2022 were granted asylum - so clearly there is a systemhttps://www.refugeecouncil.org.uk/information/refugee-asylum-facts/top-10-facts-about-refugees-and-people-seeking-asylum/
Are they the similar to the ones that arrive by plane and just disappear?
I've no idea about the detail of the EU scheme, but what exactly is your point. If we implement a policy that is simply barbaric, is it all OK as long as the EU is doing something bad?Why is it Barbaric?
That's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 12, 2022, 12:22:30 pmThat's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?Don't come on here criticising the UK Government, have a go at you own countries policies first!
Quote from: SydneyRover on June 12, 2022, 12:22:30 pmThat's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?Interesting that someone should be asking for evidence of numbers who land on the beach and then just disappear.
Quote from: drfchound on June 12, 2022, 04:31:03 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on June 12, 2022, 12:22:30 pmThat's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?Interesting that someone should be asking for evidence of numbers who land on the beach and then just disappear.Someone has made a claim that people land on a beach and then disappear - so they must know more about it? Lets hope they are not potential terrorists if it is that easy to land in this country - and just disappear. I would be surprised if this were so - but happy to await the evidence.
Quote from: wilts rover on June 12, 2022, 04:58:42 pmQuote from: drfchound on June 12, 2022, 04:31:03 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on June 12, 2022, 12:22:30 pmThat's correct Ldr but until they are evaluated they are refugees not illegals despite what members of the govt the populist media and some on here say. And to repeat, most of those that do get here are deemed to be genuine refugees. Have you any numbers on those that 'just disappear' where is your evidence?Interesting that someone should be asking for evidence of numbers who land on the beach and then just disappear.Someone has made a claim that people land on a beach and then disappear - so they must know more about it? Lets hope they are not potential terrorists if it is that easy to land in this country - and just disappear. I would be surprised if this were so - but happy to await the evidence.Wilts, I would be even more surprised if anyone has evidence of numbers, given that no one has any records of them.