Downing street party

[SydneyRover]

Pensions minister:

''Mr Opperman says Boris Johnson's behaviour has been "unacceptable" and he needs to change and get better people around him. But said he should continue in post, and Sue Gray allowed to complete her report into Downing Street parties''

No influence peddling there then?

https://twitter.com/ionewells/status/1482068454165430272?cxt=HHwWgIC-9YParpEpAAAA

[River Don]

The Mirror is reporting that every Friday at 4pm was 'Wine time Friday' and they have pictures of a wine cooler fridge being delivered and installed at no 10.

Apparently Boris would often pop in to chat. He was well aware of it and encouraged it.

[SydneyRover]

The Mirror is reporting that every Friday at 4pm was 'Wine time Friday' and they have pictures of a wine cooler fridge being delivered and installed at no 10.

Apparently Boris would often pop in to chat. He was well aware of it and encouraged it.

Which is fine .... unless there is a pandemic with thousands dying ...... sometimes daily, oh yeah they're all the same .........

[Glyn_Wigley]

Did anyone see Rees-Mogg on Newsnight last night? He kept on repeating that the PM 'had apologised for what happened'. His determination to keep on repeating the same phrase made me realise what he wasn't saying...that the PM had not - in any way - apologised for his actions.

[wilts rover]

Absolutely. I have a bit of sympathy for him given he wasn't around for the others, but that's what you get when you don't nip it in the bud from the start.

Un-f**king-believable!

Sorry but it's slightly harsh to fully blame him for something that happened when he wasn't even in the same county.  As I said though he allowed the precedent and his team to behave that way so as the leader is at fault for not preventing it at the start.

Anyone know what the rules were on travelling to your weekend holiday home at this time?

I thought no holidays were permitted, travel was essential purposes only and you should stay at your main place of residence unless absolutely necessary?

Just been reminded that this is why the Scottish CMO was forced to resign - non-essential travel to a second home.

[ravenrover]

Did anyone see Rees-Mogg on Newsnight last night? He kept on repeating that the PM 'had apologised for what happened'. His determination to keep on repeating the same phrase made me realise what he wasn't saying...that the PM had not - in any way - apologised for his actions.

He has not, most definitely, apologised for any personal action

[Ldr]

On Twitter “the number of Downing Street parties is doubling every 4-5 days according to ONS” haha

[Bentley Bullet]

Did anyone see Rees-Mogg on Newsnight last night? He kept on repeating that the PM 'had apologised for what happened'. His determination to keep on repeating the same phrase made me realise what he wasn't saying...that the PM had not - in any way - apologised for his actions.

He has not, most definitely, apologised for any personal action

He's apologised for his personal lack of action.

[BillyStubbsTears]

On Twitter “the number of Downing Street parties is doubling every 4-5 days according to ONS” haha

Genius!

One thing about this scandal has made me reconsider my opinion of Johnson's team. I'm now accepting they could organise a piss up in a brewery.

[Bentley Bullet]

So could Keir Starmer if he could actually get in one without being told to f**k off.

[BillyStubbsTears]

There's BB unable to get over his political bias again.

[Bentley Bullet]

Now that did make me laugh! See, you can be funny.

[BillyStubbsTears]

We'll THIS is awkward.

All those questions about why the Met, which definitively MUST have known about the No10 knees ups, didn't ever take action.

Guess who was in charge of Met COVID policing at the time.

This bloke.
https://archive.md/zojrv

Sajid Javid's brother.

[Filo]

I genuinely believe the Queen should use Royal prerogative and dissolve Parliament, she herself has been Lied to by these immoral bas**rds

[Glyn_Wigley]

Did anyone see Rees-Mogg on Newsnight last night? He kept on repeating that the PM 'had apologised for what happened'. His determination to keep on repeating the same phrase made me realise what he wasn't saying...that the PM had not - in any way - apologised for his actions.

He has not, most definitely, apologised for any personal action

He's apologised for his personal lack of action.

No he didn't, he said he should have done something but didn't apologise for not doing it.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes he did.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Starmer didn't apologise for his "drinks at work event" is that ok?

There's a big difference between the afternoon drinks in the workplace and organising parties.

[tyke1962]

If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again

I’d be surprised if that happened RR, his ‘brand’ is too tainted now

Having watched the news a couple of times this week it seems to me that a lot of people don’t watch the news at all, never read a newspaper and certainly never read a third division football forum because when the tv interviewer asked random people in the street whether they would vote conservative again a significant amount of them said that they would do.
Some even said that they thought Boris is ok and was doing his best.
This is not my opinion by the way so my usual detractors need not bother piling in.
I am simply offering some information to suggest why things are as they are in politics.
To be honest, if I didn’t contribute to this forum I would probably not know about the majority of the off topic stuff that seems to dominate the lives of some people on here.

It's all relative hound , there are people who couldn't contemplate not voting Tory no matter the state of the nation or their behaviour .

Even when they were annihilated in 1997 by Blair 9.6m still voted for them .

Same with Labour , Diane Abbott has held her London seat since the 1980's , never looked in any danger of losing it .

As you know I'm not a great fan of a centre Labour Party to say the least but I can't see the Tories coming back from this for a long time never mind the next two years and the run up to a GE .

The one thing you don't do is underestimate them but even factoring that in as I've thought about a lot I just can't see how they will win the next election .

Massively damaged the Tory Party , they've even managed to pyss off their wealthy staunch shires voters who love the royals .

The Queen sat on her own at her husband's funeral on the very day they were cracking open bottles of wine in Downing Street is an image that will take some stomaching for those voters .

The Libs have an excellent opportunity to cash in in those areas .

The Tory - Labour marginals will go to Labour in my opinion with the Red Wall returning .

Its not beyond comprehension that the Tories could be demoted to third place .

The only question in my opinion is how large the Labour victory will be with the possibility of a hung parliament with the Dems at worst .

I'd suggest if either of those scenarios come to fruition it represents an opportunity to put the Conservative Party out of business altogether .

Something which could have happened in 1997 when a deal with the Libs was talked about .

[Glyn_Wigley]

Yes he did.

Please point out where he specifically apologises for any of his actions.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-apology-translated-legal-25929663

[albie]

Sue Grey, impartial or not;
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-33431580

From 2015, one of the old brigade, by the sound of it!

[drfchound]

If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again

I’d be surprised if that happened RR, his ‘brand’ is too tainted now

Having watched the news a couple of times this week it seems to me that a lot of people don’t watch the news at all, never read a newspaper and certainly never read a third division football forum because when the tv interviewer asked random people in the street whether they would vote conservative again a significant amount of them said that they would do.
Some even said that they thought Boris is ok and was doing his best.
This is not my opinion by the way so my usual detractors need not bother piling in.
I am simply offering some information to suggest why things are as they are in politics.
To be honest, if I didn’t contribute to this forum I would probably not know about the majority of the off topic stuff that seems to dominate the lives of some people on here.

It's all relative hound , there are people who couldn't contemplate not voting Tory no matter the state of the nation or their behaviour .

Even when they were annihilated in 1997 by Blair 9.6m still voted for them .

Same with Labour , Diane Abbott has held her London seat since the 1980's , never looked in any danger of losing it .

As you know I'm not a great fan of a centre Labour Party to say the least but I can't see the Tories coming back from this for a long time never mind the next two years and the run up to a GE .

The one thing you don't do is underestimate them but even factoring that in as I've thought about a lot I just can't see how they will win the next election .

Massively damaged the Tory Party , they've even managed to pyss off their wealthy staunch shires voters who love the royals .

The Queen sat on her own at her husband's funeral on the very day they were cracking open bottles of wine in Downing Street is an image that will take some stomaching for those voters .

The Libs have an excellent opportunity to cash in in those areas .

The Tory - Labour marginals will go to Labour in my opinion with the Red Wall returning .

Its not beyond comprehension that the Tories could be demoted to third place .

The only question in my opinion is how large the Labour victory will be with the possibility of a hung parliament with the Dems at worst .

I'd suggest if either of those scenarios come to fruition it represents an opportunity to put the Conservative Party out of business altogether .

Something which could have happened in 1997 when a deal with the Libs was talked about .

Tyke, I won’t dispute anything that you have written there and I don’t really give a toss who wins the next GE.
The point I was getting across in my earlier post is that thousands of people don’t give a toss either and probably won’t know the names of more than half a dozen MPs.
Politics is something that most people don’t care about.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes he did.

Please point out where he specifically apologises for any of his actions.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-apology-translated-legal-25929663

He apologised for his personal lack of action.

“With hindsight I should have sent everyone back inside. I should have found some other way to thank them.

“I should have recognised that even if it could be said technically to fall within the guidance, there are millions and millions of people who simply would not see it that way, people who have suffered terribly, people who were forbidden from meeting loved ones at all inside or outside, and to them and to this house I offer my heartfelt apologies.

[tyke1962]

If there is enough letters to force a leadership election can Johnson still be put forward as a candidate? My guess would be if so he would walk it back in again

I’d be surprised if that happened RR, his ‘brand’ is too tainted now

Having watched the news a couple of times this week it seems to me that a lot of people don’t watch the news at all, never read a newspaper and certainly never read a third division football forum because when the tv interviewer asked random people in the street whether they would vote conservative again a significant amount of them said that they would do.
Some even said that they thought Boris is ok and was doing his best.
This is not my opinion by the way so my usual detractors need not bother piling in.
I am simply offering some information to suggest why things are as they are in politics.
To be honest, if I didn’t contribute to this forum I would probably not know about the majority of the off topic stuff that seems to dominate the lives of some people on here.

It's all relative hound , there are people who couldn't contemplate not voting Tory no matter the state of the nation or their behaviour .

Even when they were annihilated in 1997 by Blair 9.6m still voted for them .

Same with Labour , Diane Abbott has held her London seat since the 1980's , never looked in any danger of losing it .

As you know I'm not a great fan of a centre Labour Party to say the least but I can't see the Tories coming back from this for a long time never mind the next two years and the run up to a GE .

The one thing you don't do is underestimate them but even factoring that in as I've thought about a lot I just can't see how they will win the next election .

Massively damaged the Tory Party , they've even managed to pyss off their wealthy staunch shires voters who love the royals .

The Queen sat on her own at her husband's funeral on the very day they were cracking open bottles of wine in Downing Street is an image that will take some stomaching for those voters .

The Libs have an excellent opportunity to cash in in those areas .

The Tory - Labour marginals will go to Labour in my opinion with the Red Wall returning .

Its not beyond comprehension that the Tories could be demoted to third place .

The only question in my opinion is how large the Labour victory will be with the possibility of a hung parliament with the Dems at worst .

I'd suggest if either of those scenarios come to fruition it represents an opportunity to put the Conservative Party out of business altogether .

Something which could have happened in 1997 when a deal with the Libs was talked about .

Tyke, I won’t dispute anything that you have written there and I don’t really give a toss who wins the next GE.
The point I was getting across in my earlier post is that thousands of people don’t give a toss either and probably won’t know the names of more than half a dozen MPs.
Politics is something that most people don’t care about.

Your right of course most people aren't interested in politics and couldn't care less who is in government .

Which is why this is so damaging for the Tories .

It's damaging because it goes way past boring politics and politicians and plays out like some soap opera or reality show cliff hanger , if there's such a thing mind .

This cuts through massively to the public , there possibly isn't one person above 18 years old in the UK who hasn't heard about it and in many respects have felt anger given the circumstances we've all had to live under .

Even the bloody Queen felt it .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes he did.

Please point out where he specifically apologises for any of his actions.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnsons-apology-translated-legal-25929663

He apologised for his personal lack of action.

“With hindsight I should have sent everyone back inside. I should have found some other way to thank them.

“I should have recognised that even if it could be said technically to fall within the guidance, there are millions and millions of people who simply would not see it that way, people who have suffered terribly, people who were forbidden from meeting loved ones at all inside or outside, and to them and to this house I offer my heartfelt apologies.

Read that carefully.

He didn't apologise for his lack of action. He apologised for what it looked like.

Every single word in his statement was classic legalese. He didn't directly apologise for anything he'd done, and the statement was crafted to dupe people.

It seems to have worked.

[Bentley Bullet]

 To any politically unbiased mind, he did apologise. For that, you will have to take my word for it.

[SydneyRover]

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/when-pigs-fly-group-gm178864585-25125420

[wilts rover]

What did Johnson apologise for? Statement to Paliament 8th December 2021

https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2021-12-08/debates/DB36FDA8-C784-4AEE-8D0C-F95FBB5345E9/Engagements

[Bentley Bullet]

IRTHGTTRIGSMA

[drfchound]

https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/when-pigs-fly-group-gm178864585-25125420

#notcontributingtothediscussion
23643 by the way.

[SydneyRover]

there's about as much chance of bb being correct as a certain person voting labour at the next election

is that what it means?