Should Starmer Resign?

[Hounslowrover]

Surely Starmer has followed the rules, police agree, Johnson made the rules and broke them, of which there is no argument. It is not the same offence, Starmer has not broken any rules that has resulted in a police fine.

[Bentley Bullet]

Surely Starmer has followed the rules, police agree, Johnson made the rules and broke them, of which there is no argument. It is not the same offence, Starmer has not broken any rules that has resulted in a police fine.

Police got involved 2 (TWO) years after Johnson's party through sheer peer pressure, in my opinion. The police should now be put under the same pressure to charge Starmer for similar offence(s), also in my opinion.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

What does the law say, was guidance law? I genuinely don't know the answer to that as to me guidance was worth following.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Cake report for Starmer in the Mail gives the date ...there was no lockdown then. Also, don't the Mail know there's a war going on!

Yeah, but....bothsides! Clearly if Starmer is going to complain about Johnson breaking the law, he shouldn't have...err...not broken the law himself. So ...err ...hypocrite!

The guidance at the time suggests he may have done (unless he bought himself 2 cakes).  I don't understand why they'd like about who was in Durham either it's all a bit odd.

Does any of it really matter? Probably not but akward given he's made it an issue for the PM.

So, what do you think the outcome will be pud?

He'll deny it's an issue and move on but the other party will constantly bring it up thus ending his attack line on Boris Johnson.

[albie]

It is clearly the intention to push a false equivalence narrative, to deflect from the repeat offences of Johnson.

It always surprises me to find the things people fixate on as important.
Partygate is indicative of a wider sickness at the heart of the establishment, but no way is it more serious than the corruption over the PPE contracts, for example, or the release of Covid infected patients into care homes, causing 20,000 deaths.

For his part, Starmer should be asked to explain Labour whipping to abstain in the Lords on the Rwanda extraordinary rendition for refugees plan.

There is plenty to be concerned about with Keith, not least his reliance on Israeli interests for financial backing.

New Statesman has a review of the new book "The Starmer Project", a warts and all expose of Keith and his doings;
https://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2022/04/tell-us-who-you-really-are-keir-starmer

His back story is more complex than the public image presented.

[Bentley Bullet]

Why would anyone want to push a 'false' equivalence narrative?

[i_ateallthepies]

Why would anyone want to push a 'false' equivalence narrative?

Because it's the best they can come up with when faced with the leader of the government they voted for being proven to be a liar?

[Bentley Bullet]

I don't think you understand the question Mr Pies.

[i_ateallthepies]

I understood the question, Mr Bullet.  Just chose to answer it in a way that wouldn't suit your agenda.

[Bentley Bullet]

Haha, you crease me up, Mr Pies!

[selby]

  I think we can accept we all think that Boris tells small fibs now and again, but this is the first time I have ever known a whole party to accept they lied to cover the leader and that well known lady of virtue the understudy with long legs as liar's

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.
I'm sure you really DO understand the issue here and you're desperately pretending not to.

Johnson broke the law.

He lied about that in Parliament.

Starmer didn't break a law. There's zero evidence that he even touched the boundary of voluntary guidelines.

You're smart enough to get that. And biassed enough to pretend you don't.

[Bentley Bullet]

You know BST, I reckon you composed that post while staring in a mirror in a desperate play-acting attempt at convincing yourself that that is the case.

You talking about me being biased is like Keith Richards calling Aled Jones a junkie.

[selby]

  Get ready Billy you are going to have to do better than that the character assassination squad is just starting up in the other direction, His past stance on nuclear disarmament and NATO and his two cake party will be next.
  And the Tories will have a lot of info coming in from the Labour left as they see another power grab just beginning to open the door to get rid.

[danumdon]

Always been the same with Labour, "main opposition party" give over, this lot just cannot sit down and agree about absolutely anything, as far back as i can remember they have been factions all looking to steer the party en mass in their direction, and how many directions?. Its the only party i know that veers from further to the left than Stalin to right wingers who would make this tory party blush.

How can an organisation like this ever hope to form an effective government?

The best they can now hope for is to woo the ginger jock and the latch onto the "anything that gets us recognition" LibDems and try to create some form of grand coalition, the only problem with that is they would have to promise PR to the minor patties to ever get the opportunity to run.

Its not going to happen and they will be forever in opposition, all the while allowing Johnson to do his worst.

What a future!

[BillyStubbsTears]

A typical exchange in here:

Tories have done something illegal --> Labour must have done something at least as bad ---> Zero evidence found for the preceding assertion --> Conclusion: Yeah but Labour are f**king awful aren't they?

It's like arguing with a random prejudice generator.

[drfchound]

Blinkered!!

[Bentley Bullet]

Waddyamean zero evidence?

If the boot was on the other foot you'd say, 'Keir Starmer admits it was a mistake saying Angela Rayner wasn't at the Windowgate Party that didn't exist, in fact, she was at the Windowgate party that didn't exist.

[drfchound]

Come on BB, he did apologise and said it was an honest mistake to say Raynor wasn’t there.
That must make it ok.
Isn’t Starmer too upstanding to lie?

[SydneyRover]

My point is Keir Starmer is a hypocrite, and anyone (like you) who is defending him while condemning Johnson for what basically amounts to the same offence is a hypocrite too.

Why do you constantly think it is acceptable that you change the course of the argument instead of addressing the point being made?

tell us again about when you were going to be a moderator ................................

[selby]

  Talk radio and TV have really gone to town most of the day on old stabber Starmer, Rayner, and the Labour party lying to cover up their own party's during lock down.
  The sh*t is being shovelled the other way now, the only question to be answered is how long have the Tories known the details, and is it a coincidence it has come out at an opportune time for the local elections, The next PMQ will be as funny as anything, I bet Boris can't wait and lucky legs will be wearing a trouser suit.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Great.
Half a dozen gobshites reinforcing the prejudices of a couple of dozen pensioners. It'll change the world!

[drfchound]

Blinkered !!

And still having a gripe about pensioners.

[Bentley Bullet]

Great.
Half a dozen gobshites reinforcing the prejudices of a couple of dozen pensioners. It'll change the world!

It's great being a pensioner, it's the future.

If you're lucky.

[SydneyRover]

Cake report for Starmer in the Mail gives the date ...there was no lockdown then. Also, don't the Mail know there's a war going on!

Yeah, but....bothsides! Clearly if Starmer is going to complain about Johnson breaking the law, he shouldn't have...err...not broken the law himself. So ...err ...hypocrite!

The guidance at the time suggests he may have done (unless he bought himself 2 cakes).  I don't understand why they'd like about who was in Durham either it's all a bit odd.

Does any of it really matter? Probably not but akward given he's made it an issue for the PM.

So, what do you think the outcome will be pud?

He'll deny it's an issue and move on but the other party will constantly bring it up thus ending his attack line on Boris Johnson.

Funny aye pud, absolute proof that johnson broke the law but you and the other desperados rely on the sun and the mail to cobble together a smear to distract, I wouldn't give any of you a job.

[phil old leake]

I really find the hypocrisy of some people unbelievable

It doesn’t matter what party you support. At least be adult enough to admit when yours does / possibly does something wrong

How the hell could K Starmer forget his deputy was in a room with him when there was such a furore at the time because of the stupidity of the tories

It just shows him to be as bad if not worse than Boris. To be all high and mighty and then be found to be FORGETFUL is as bad if not worse than Boris just been a liar

Please at least be honest to yourselves

[SydneyRover]

I really find the hypocrisy of some people unbelievable

It doesn’t matter what party you support. At least be adult enough to admit when yours does / possibly does something wrong

How the hell could K Starmer forget his deputy was in a room with him when there was such a furore at the time because of the stupidity of the tories

It just shows him to be as bad if not worse than Boris. To be all high and mighty and then be found to be FORGETFUL is as bad if not worse than Boris just been a liar

Please at least be honest to yourselves

I hope you're not involved in the law in any way phil because you don't appear to have any grasp of it, the police have investigated the gathering and deemed it not unlawful therefore who attended is immaterial wouldn't you say phil?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I really find the hypocrisy of some people unbelievable

It doesn’t matter what party you support. At least be adult enough to admit when yours does / possibly does something wrong

How the hell could K Starmer forget his deputy was in a room with him when there was such a furore at the time because of the stupidity of the tories

It just shows him to be as bad if not worse than Boris. To be all high and mighty and then be found to be FORGETFUL is as bad if not worse than Boris just been a liar

Please at least be honest to yourselves

Do you remember who was in every room you were in 2 years ago?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Cake report for Starmer in the Mail gives the date ...there was no lockdown then. Also, don't the Mail know there's a war going on!

Yeah, but....bothsides! Clearly if Starmer is going to complain about Johnson breaking the law, he shouldn't have...err...not broken the law himself. So ...err ...hypocrite!

The guidance at the time suggests he may have done (unless he bought himself 2 cakes).  I don't understand why they'd like about who was in Durham either it's all a bit odd.

Does any of it really matter? Probably not but akward given he's made it an issue for the PM.

So, what do you think the outcome will be pud?

He'll deny it's an issue and move on but the other party will constantly bring it up thus ending his attack line on Boris Johnson.

Funny aye pud, absolute proof that johnson broke the law but you and the other desperados rely on the sun and the mail to cobble together a smear to distract, I wouldn't give any of you a job.

To be fair if I worked with you I'd ask you a question and you'd fail to answer it as normal.

You are of course picking and choosing your points. I made it very clear I thought Boris Johnson should resign two wrongs do not make a right.

I find it strange that labour and Starmer spent so long saying the restrictions weren't tight enough and guidance should be followed yet when they don't follow the guidance your excuse is "well it wasn't braking a law".

Of course every press outlet covered the Durham story yesterday, except the guardian of course....

[SydneyRover]

Again pud you fail the reality test and still rely on a couple of rags, I have no problem with you posting anything it's an open forum but expect to be challenged. When you ask a question based on something I have posted at least have the curtesy to quote it so I can see when I said it and in what context. I guess your next stop is to go to the police for a briefing to see what they found.