Talk Your Way Out Of This One Johnson

[drfchound]

Regarding the Panorama investigation, I take it that some of you on here will be dropping your agenda against Laura Kuenssberg, now that she's obviously not pandering to the Tory Party, which you've accused her of in the past.

Yes SS, another of those interesting things that someone mentioned earlier today. Kuenssberg has been slaughtered by one poster in particular, but yeah……

[wilts rover]

Over 300 photos submitted to the Met Police with regards to partying in No.10. (Three Hundred!!!).
1 photo of Starmer drinking a beer after a day when we know he had been working.
Do you think the guy who took the Starmer photo took just one pic and did a runner?
Or do you think he sat there all night and that was the best ‘evidence’ of law breaking he could come up with?
(Maybe he’s keeping back the pic of Starmer doing the Okey Cokey with Rayner, till the price is right)?

The Starmer photo is actually a still from a video taken by a student attending an illegal party in student halls across the road from the venue. I presume the full thing is online somewhere, I have seen clips.

[drfchound]

So if it was a video perhaps the claim that whoever made it was there for forty odd minutes is true.

[wilts rover]

Regarding the Panorama investigation, I take it that some of you on here will be dropping your agenda against Laura Kuenssberg, now that she's obviously not pandering to the Tory Party, which you've accused her of in the past.

I can't think why anyone would accuse Laura K of being pro-Tory just because she filed a false report of a Labour supporter 'attacking' Matt Hancock during the last election campaign and a report by her on Corbyn was found to have breached accuracy and impartiality rules.

I dont believe she has ever filed anything that is judged to be untrue about the Tory Party or Johnson - but happy to be corrected otherwise?

[wilts rover]

So if it was a video perhaps the claim that whoever made it was there for forty odd minutes is true.

I know its a video because I have seen some short clips. How long the whole thing is, sorry dont know.

On that agenda that came out a couple of weeks ago they were due to be in the hall for an hour and half - working with their meal maybe?

[drfchound]

So if it was a video perhaps the claim that whoever made it was there for forty odd minutes is true.

I know its a video because I have seen some short clips. How long the whole thing is, sorry dont know.

On that agenda that came out a couple of weeks ago they were due to be in the hall for an hour and half - working with their meal maybe?

Yeah, quite possible.
It’s just that someone said that the student who took the picture(video) CLAIMED to have been there for 45 minutes.

[wilts rover]

So if it was a video perhaps the claim that whoever made it was there for forty odd minutes is true.

I know its a video because I have seen some short clips. How long the whole thing is, sorry dont know.

On that agenda that came out a couple of weeks ago they were due to be in the hall for an hour and half - working with their meal maybe?

Yeah, quite possible.
It’s just that someone said that the student who took the picture(video) CLAIMED to have been there for 45 minutes.

I dunno, maybe, it wasn't me. All I know it is a video and was taken by a student at an illegal party in the halls across the way.

I would guess that if there was really damning evidence of Starmer doing something illegal, the Daily Heil/S*n would pay anything for it and have it up on their website in a shot.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Oh joy!

I've just seen who the student is who this whole "we saw them partying, not working" schtick is based on.

It's the son of Breitbart far-right propaganda writer, climate crisis denier, COVID conspiracy headcase and general fruitcake, James Delingpole.

[drfchound]

So if it was a video perhaps the claim that whoever made it was there for forty odd minutes is true.

I know its a video because I have seen some short clips. How long the whole thing is, sorry dont know.

On that agenda that came out a couple of weeks ago they were due to be in the hall for an hour and half - working with their meal maybe?

Yeah, quite possible.
It’s just that someone said that the student who took the picture(video) CLAIMED to have been there for 45 minutes.

I dunno, maybe, it wasn't me. All I know it is a video and was taken by a student at an illegal party in the halls across the way.

I would guess that if there was really damning evidence of Starmer doing something illegal, the Daily Heil/S*n would pay anything for it and have it up on their website in a shot.

Yes, again quite possible wilts.

[River Don]

And on it goes...

Details have emerged of what appears to be another alcohol-fuelled social event inside Downing Street during lockdown, one that was seemingly not investigated by police or the official civil service investigation.

According to the Mirror, between 30 and 40 staff drank alcohol and ate takeaway snacks to mark the final press briefing conducted by Boris Johnson’s then-spokesperson James Slack, on 17 November 2020.

A photograph obtained by the paper appears to show an official setting out bottles of wine and Champagne-type drinks. The picture was reportedly sent to No 10 staff on a WhatsApp group, in response to a message saying: “Time to open the Covid secure bar.”

The photo was then posted as a reply with the message: “The bar is open.” Other messages reported by the Mirror seemingly demonstrate premeditation in socialising, with one referring to “Wine Time Tuesday”, and others discussing going to buy “reinforcement booze”. One official says: “If someone can help me carry it I’m happy to go.”

[SydneyRover]

''“The whole period was traumatic. It was very difficult to work on every single day. We were learning that people were dying in hospital beds and people were dying needlessly.

“We were worried about making mistakes and getting these big calls wrong and working through it.''

so we drank and we partied and we got the big calls wrong.

[SydneyRover]

And why would johnson lie about it if he had nothing to worry about? it wasn't a party apparently

You and your mates, sorry, Labour supporting co posters, had demanded the PM resign as soon as the news broke.  Before an investigation began.  Before the police got involved.
But, but but, that was ok wasn’t it.

post #6 this thread bp

''Has to resign simple as that''


post #7 this thread hound

Has to resign simple as that

 


                                            you're welcome   

[River Don]

Boris Johnson is going to apologise. Again. In a 'day of contrition'.

How many official apologies is this now?

It's just words, sorry iis the easiest.

[mugnapper]

Boris Johnson is going to apologise. Again. In a 'day of contrition'.

How many official apologies is this now?

It's just words, sorry iis the easiest.

But this time he REALLY means it, I'm sure.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Boris Johnson is going to apologise. Again. In a 'day of contrition'.

How many official apologies is this now?

It's just words, sorry iis the easiest.

I fail to see how

1. He hasn't yet resigned.
2. His fellow conservatives haven't ditched him yet.

He should have been gone months ago today should just confirm it.

[mugnapper]

Boris Johnson is going to apologise. Again. In a 'day of contrition'.

How many official apologies is this now?

It's just words, sorry iis the easiest.

I fail to see how

1. He hasn't yet resigned.
2. His fellow conservatives haven't ditched him yet.

He should have been gone months ago today should just confirm it.

There's no way he'll resign today, none.
He is a narcissist who believes he can do no wrong and that the world revolves around him.
He will be dragged out of No 10, whilst screaming "But I've said sorry, many,many times"!

[BillyStubbsTears]

He'll be fine today. The line will be:
He really didn't think he was at any parties.
He's appalled at what happened.
He takes fully responsibility.
Now let's move on.

And about 30% of the electorate will be perfectly happy with that and accept that we have, for the first time in history, a PM that has broken the law and lied to Parliament. And that's how these things just get normalised and the foundations of democracy get undermined.

[SydneyRover]

He'll be fine today. The line will be:
He really didn't think he was at any parties.
He's appalled at what happened.
He takes fully responsibility.
Now let's move on.

And about 30% of the electorate will be perfectly happy with that and accept that we have, for the first time in history, a PM that has broken the law and lied to Parliament. And that's how these things just get normalised and the foundations of democracy get undermined.

Boris Johnson is going to apologise. Again. In a 'day of contrition'.

How many official apologies is this now?

It's just words, sorry iis the easiest.

I fail to see how

1. He hasn't yet resigned.
2. His fellow conservatives haven't ditched him yet.

He should have been gone months ago today should just confirm it.

He won't resign unless tory mps force the issue

tory mps won't force the issue unless voters make them

[ravenrover]

When is he due in the Commons? Guess the report will be published very shortly before.
Roger Gayle saying statements that thete is no one to replace Johnson are nonsense he can think of at lrast half a dozen. If Johnson is forced out then let's see who comes forward!

[SydneyRover]

And why would johnson lie about it if he had nothing to worry about? it wasn't a party apparently

You and your mates, sorry, Labour supporting co posters, had demanded the PM resign as soon as the news broke.  Before an investigation began.  Before the police got involved.
But, but but, that was ok wasn’t it.

post #6 this thread bp

''Has to resign simple as that''


post #7 this thread hound

Has to resign simple as that

 


                                            you're welcome   

oops sorry a slip of the thumb

[BillyStubbsTears]

The met police are going to investigate the parties held at number 10 over the last 2 years this has to be the final nail in his coffin

Not too sure about that.  Watch out for PMQ's tomorrow - 'Sue Grays report publication will have to wait until the result of the police enquiry'!
 
IMO 'Dame Dick' knows exactly what she's doing - protect Big Dog!

This is corruption beyond belief.

The Met have categorically said all the way through this that their policy is not to investigate retrospective COVID breaches.

The Gray Report is just about to be released, and would almost certainly mean the end of Johnson's career.

Suddenly the Met are investigating and as a result, the Gray Report has been shelved.

Which means Johnson's safe for the meantime. He's kicked the can down the road and will hope that something else comes up to save him.

At what point do we wake up and realise what this Kitson and his entourage are doing to our democracy?

It's looking like the plan worked, with the collaboration of the Met.

Starting that investigation quietened down the whole furore when the knives were truly out for Johnson. He and Dick pulled a blinder. Take the sting out of things. Give people a chance to just get accustomed to the fact that they have a proven liar in No10. Wait for something like...oh a major war to crop up.

Britain 2022...

[River Don]

Only 9 photos?

What's happened to the other 500?

The tax payer isn't getting great value from this official photographer.

[SydneyRover]

From what I've read of the Panorama prog, the Gray report I'm reading sounds quite a bit different, like a different planet.

[Filo]

I think the Met and Sue Gray have held back a good bit, they have done the minimum required of them, stinks of collusion

[normal rules]

I watched the panorama doc last night .
At some points Laura K was using very leading questions with the anon three that were interviewed.
There was no balance to it. Some won’t want balance of course. At no point were people asked about the amount of staff required to be in no10 over the whole pandemic period. And the ability of those within to practically distance themselves from each other.
Very, very one sided reporting.

[SydneyRover]

NR, I'm not sure that the rules allowed for exemptions if the room wasn't large enough, if that's what you are getting at?

I take that back NR: (2m, or 1m Zith risk mitigation where 2m is not viable), wherever possible, including while arriving at and
departing from Zork, Zhile in Zork, and Zhen travelling betZeen sites´.

Mitigation, I assume that would mean mask wearing as there is no reference. I will add further info if I find that anyone wore one.

There does not appear to be anything so far to support work continuing during of after food and drink was being consumed, it may be referred to later in the report.

The only mitigating I can see in the report is what I have read before that johnson was only in attendance of an illegal gathering for X amount of minutes. He made no attempt to stop these gatherings in fact he was complicit in allowing them to go ahead.


This from the summary is what johnson will grasp for and as others have said will make hollow apologies.

''In my update I made a number of general limited findings, I am pleased
progress is being made in addressing the issues I raised. I commented on the
fragmentary and complicated leadership structures in No 10. Since my update
there have been changes to the organisation and management of Downing
Street and the Cabinet Office with the aim of creating clearer lines of leadership
and accountability and now these need the chance and time to bed in''

[normal rules]

I’m suggesting that the different planet you allude to is that of Planet Kuensberg. She is hardly unbiased. She cares not for politics. She cares only for the sensational scoop.
She is the devil incarnate.

[River Don]

Sue Gray stopped investigating to let the police investigate which meant that neither of them investigated the party in the flat. What sort of logic is this?

It smells of collusion.

[SydneyRover]

I am reasonably sure that the bbc will examine the report and compare it to both the met result and the Panorama prog to see how much matches up.

There is enough detail in amongst all three for more heads to roll and for johnson to be rightly accused of misleading parliament. I doubt he will go unless individual MPs get more pressure from the public, especially those that voted for him.

[SydneyRover]

Sue Gray stopped investigating to let the police investigate which meant that neither of them investigated the party in the flat. What sort of logic is this?

It smells of collusion.

Sounds like a committee