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Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 27, 2022, 09:29:31 amHow many people think Starmer's a liar?You and hound, maybe you could scape enough together for a game of brag
How many people think Starmer's a liar?
I suppose political views are driven by something akin to religious faith , but when the human manifestation of on side’s particular creed is Boris Johnson, it is immensely courageous. Mr Sunak has assured us in the strongest of terms that his recent announcement is not intended to “make smoke”. Presumably his occupancy of the Number 10 flat did not give him any inkling of the alleged rule breaking throughout the same property. (“I say Boris there was a heck of a lot of noise again downstairs last night. What was all that about?)
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 27, 2022, 09:50:59 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on May 27, 2022, 09:29:31 amHow many people think Starmer's a liar?You and hound, maybe you could scape enough together for a game of bragThey wouldn't want to play Brag, Sydney. For a start neither of them have owt to brag about and it's probably above their level. They'd probably opt for Snap or Fish... forever making feeble attempts at equivalence or fishing for a reaction.
Quote from: SydneyRover on May 27, 2022, 11:47:41 amI think you replied to the wrong comment pudNope, it was a fair question. I want to vote for a party that's actually going to make things better for us. Labour are close to that bracket now, they will win if they are positive on what they can offer. Go in on a 'we aren't them' angle and I can't see it.
I think you replied to the wrong comment pud
There are tories made of the right stuff you just have to wait long enough for the letters to mount up. By the time the 1922 committee has the right number of letters johnson will have changed the rule to reward errand MPs.
Corruption.It's a slippery slope we're starting down.
At the end of the day, the human condition is all about self-survival. When people get into the voting booths, they ask themselves which Party is likely to make them better off.Partygate will be forgotten in the 2024 GE, because the only thing on peoples' minds will be the cost of living crisis, how the Tory Government are dealing with it, and what the Labour alternatives are.That's what will decide who wins in 2024.
I reckon it all boils down to whether the Conservative Party think they can win the next GE with Johnson as leader.
Our MP is a Tory backbencher. I feel like complaining to him about this watering down of the codes of conduct.But he's already got his letter of no confidence into the 1922 committee.
Most people I talk to think Johnson has done OK under the circumstances and Starmer wouldn't have done any better, if not worse than him. Everyone should take into account the difficulties he's encountered since he became PM. Personally, I admire his resolve and determination and think he could become a very popular PM in future if he rides the current storm of disapproval.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 28, 2022, 10:12:45 amMost people I talk to think Johnson has done OK under the circumstances and Starmer wouldn't have done any better, if not worse than him. Everyone should take into account the difficulties he's encountered since he became PM. Personally, I admire his resolve and determination and think he could become a very popular PM in future if he rides the current storm of disapproval.Talking to yoursef doesn’t count
Quote from: drfchound on May 28, 2022, 09:27:24 amI reckon it all boils down to whether the Conservative Party think they can win the next GE with Johnson as leader.Well, at the retirement flats where my Mum lives 95% of them are staunch Tories. All of them in their 80s and 90s. All of them take the Daily Mail. They all think Johnson is doing a great job.Whether the cost of living will start to be noticed, I don't know. The trouble is a lot of them aren't living in the real world. I mentioned to one old dear it's £3 for a cup of coffee now. She didn't believe me, saying that's an outrage £1 is enough! But she never goes out, so she doesn't know.I think they do represent a huge demographic, with that base I'd say there is still a decent chance of Johnson being reelected, no matter what he does.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on May 28, 2022, 10:12:45 amMost people I talk to think Johnson has done OK under the circumstances and Starmer wouldn't have done any better, if not worse than him. Everyone should take into account the difficulties he's encountered since he became PM. Personally, I admire his resolve and determination and think he could become a very popular PM in future if he rides the current storm of disapproval.I guess it depends on how far the Covid Inquiry will have got onto by then? Will the fact he was late to impose a lock-down thus costing 10'000's of uneccessary deaths and long-term illness, then imposed ruless on all the public that he felt able to ignore, be back into public conciousness? His current unpopularity is not down to the circumstances but his judgment on them: (Brexit, NI Border, Covid lockdown, Covid loans, MP's second jobs, Paterson, lying to Parliament, the Russia Report & Russian donors, energy & food price rises etc). And there will be more to come - there always are. If his followers think he has dealt with these situations well - and autocratic, corrupt leaders always have their followers, Putin, Trump, Mugabe etc - good luck to them because he wont change. He will try and find more divise cultural issues to keep them onside - because thats what he has done all his career.