DUP

[Ldr]

Yes, stop pandering to ppl who operate outside the law

[wilts rover]

Between Ní and roi and stop pandering

That breaks the Good Friday agreement as it creates a barrier/different rules on the island of Ireland. Which SF, the Irish government, the EU & US Congress all oppose. Thats an awful lot of enemies to be making when there is already a war on.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes, stop pandering to ppl who operate outside the law

Ah well. Like the last 25, 100 and 300 years never happened, eh?

[Ldr]

The past is the past

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ah, but that's precisely where you're wrong Ldr. f**k about with the GFA and the past is the future. Your glibness on this issue is rather depressing. You'd happily see us going back to a civil war in the UK. And for what?

[i_ateallthepies]

ROI are EU, NI are UK.
There can be an agreement, Switzerland have managed it well enough so can UK.
Sin Fein will soon enough be the strongest political party in both NI and the ROI, let them deal with it, they’ll know what to do.

Did you forget that Switzerland retain border controls?

[Ldr]

Ah, but that's precisely where you're wrong Ldr. f**k about with the GFA and the past is the future. Your glibness on this issue is rather depressing. You'd happily see us going back to a civil war in the UK. And for what?

Appeasment never works long term. Told you before, Cast NI adrift. Let them get on with it

[SydneyRover]

Because they are of no longer of any value, are you having a bad week Ldr?

[Ldr]

Because they are of no longer of any value, are you having a bad week Ldr?

Because the Island of Ireland is a territorial unit and we have no business been there in the first place. I'm sad you think that a whole country of people have no value though Syd, never expected that from you

[SydneyRover]

Because they are of no longer of any value, are you having a bad week Ldr?

Because the Island of Ireland is a territorial unit and we have no business been there in the first place. I'm sad you think that a whole country of people have no value though Syd, never expected that from you

Maybe not but we are and until they decide otherwise we are one and it is a tory or rather a johnson problem to fix, I said a while ago that this maybe his downfall, I may yet be correct.

I'll ignore your jibe, if you don't wish to converse just say so.

[Ldr]

Because they are of no longer of any value, are you having a bad week Ldr?

Wasn't a jibe mate, just your post read that way, apologies if I've misinterpreted it. At this stage I'd take any issue getting rid of this lot as a bonus

Because the Island of Ireland is a territorial unit and we have no business been there in the first place. I'm sad you think that a whole country of people have no value though Syd, never expected that from you

Maybe not but we are and until they decide otherwise we are one and it is a tory or rather a johnson problem to fix, I said a while ago that this maybe his downfall, I may yet be correct.

I'll ignore your jibe, if you don't wish to converse just say so.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr.
There are Unionists in NI whose families have lived there for centuries. What right do you, as a comfortable Englishman, have to tell them to get out of your country? What gives you that authority?

[Ldr]

Ldr.
There are Unionists in NI whose families have lived there for centuries. What right do you, as a comfortable Englishman, have to tell them to get out of your country? What gives you that authority?

Why do you think everyone has to justify their opinions to you?

[SydneyRover]

Because they are of no longer of any value, are you having a bad week Ldr?

Wasn't a jibe mate, just your post read that way, apologies if I've misinterpreted it. At this stage I'd take any issue getting rid of this lot as a bonus

Because the Island of Ireland is a territorial unit and we have no business been there in the first place. I'm sad you think that a whole country of people have no value though Syd, never expected that from you

Maybe not but we are and until they decide otherwise we are one and it is a tory or rather a johnson problem to fix, I said a while ago that this maybe his downfall, I may yet be correct.

I'll ignore your jibe, if you don't wish to converse just say so.

Accepted. We cannot do that, even johnson's lack of moral code would require his party to step in. I said a while ago this issue may be the end of him as there is no obvious solution. To cast them adrift is not possible, it would leave us with no friends except those that saw financial opportunity, we would be the pariahs of Europe.

[Ldr]

Because they are of no longer of any value, are you having a bad week Ldr?

Wasn't a jibe mate, just your post read that way, apologies if I've misinterpreted it. At this stage I'd take any issue getting rid of this lot as a bonus

Because the Island of Ireland is a territorial unit and we have no business been there in the first place. I'm sad you think that a whole country of people have no value though Syd, never expected that from you

Maybe not but we are and until they decide otherwise we are one and it is a tory or rather a johnson problem to fix, I said a while ago that this maybe his downfall, I may yet be correct.

I'll ignore your jibe, if you don't wish to converse just say so.

Accepted. We cannot do that, even johnson's lack of moral code would require his party to step in. I said a while ago this issue may be the end of him as there is no obvious solution. To cast them adrift is not possible, it would leave us with no friends except those that saw financial opportunity, we would be the pariahs of Europe.

I think we are getting to be that already. As a country we have a history of meddling. We need to stop that, it rarely ends well

[SydneyRover]

This may yet be the ultimate price that Britain pays for dumbest idea to date that has spewed from the tory machine, brexit.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr.
There are Unionists in NI whose families have lived there for centuries. What right do you, as a comfortable Englishman, have to tell them to get out of your country? What gives you that authority?

Why do you think everyone has to justify their opinions to you?

I don't.

Why do you think you can have opinions without having them challenged?

At the end of the day, the only person we have to justify our opinions to is ourself. Consequently, we all have a responsibility to reflect on what we believe and to welcome criticism of it. 

[Ldr]

I’d ask the same of you

[BillyStubbsTears]

See above.

[Ldr]

I replied before your edit mate

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yep, I get that. You see my point though? Having opinions is great but you need to reflect on what their consequences are.

In this specific case, f**king about with the GFA will relight the flame under a centuries old powder keg. We (UK, NI, Ireland, EU) had devised a superb solution to this problem. And it has worked.

Now, without ever discussing or considering it, Brexit is putting all that back in jeopardy.

Maybe you think that the benefits of Brexit justify that. But don't try to evade your responsibility for renewed trouble in NI if it happens.

[Ldr]

See I disagree with that, the only ones with responsibility for troubles in NI are those that participated. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, not those of others.

[BobG]

So Englishman Cromwell has nowt to do with then LDR?

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

See I disagree with that, the only ones with responsibility for troubles in NI are those that participated. Everyone is responsible for their own actions, not those of others.

And that is where we differ.

Brexit had made it inevitable that one side or the other in NI will have their lives economically, emotionally and spiritually worsened. I think we had a moral responsibility to factor that into the debate in 2016. But we didn't because the Leave side refused to accept there was even an issue to address.

You might day that is not your responsibility. But the Troubles in NI didn't start because people in NI chose to make a problem.

The Troubles became as bad as they were because of decisions by YOUR country a) to invade and colonise Ireland 300 years ago, b) to partition Ireland 100 years ago in a way that produced an inbuilt imbalance in NI, then c) to intervene 50 years ago in a way that exacerbated the aggression.

YOUR country and mine has a major responsibility in far, medium and recent past history.

You, bring the libertarian that you are, want to do what libertarians all over the world do - shrug your shoulders and say " not my problem". Me, I think if your forefathers choose to shit in your neighbours' garden, you have a responsibility to help clear up the stink.b

[Ldr]

I am only responsible for my own actions, I can’t imagine the guilt you must bear if you think you have responsibility for all that came before you

[Ldr]

So Englishman Cromwell has nowt to do with then LDR?

BobG

Hi Bob as said before, we had no business been there in the first place, even prior to Cromwell.

[Dutch Uncle]

The past is the past

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to make the same mistakes in the future

[Ldr]

The past is the past

Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to make the same mistakes in the future

Agreed Dutch but learning lessons from it and been held responsible for the actions of others are 2 separate things

[scawsby steve]

This may yet be the ultimate price that Britain pays for dumbest idea to date that has spewed from the tory machine, brexit.

Not entirely true, Sydney. The far left wanted Brexit too.

[drfchound]

This may yet be the ultimate price that Britain pays for dumbest idea to date that has spewed from the tory machine, brexit.

Not entirely true, Sydney. The far left wanted Brexit too.

Very true SS. Well done for addressing another misleading post.