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Quote from: SydneyRover on July 13, 2022, 10:54:37 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 13, 2022, 04:44:07 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on July 12, 2022, 11:10:26 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2022, 03:43:48 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 12, 2022, 09:40:00 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2022, 08:27:34 amTo be fair some of you could put Boris Johnson in a labour rosette and you'd support him. There's not much it any substance from any of the candidates yet, I'm sure that will come.More of this nonsense.There's never, ever been a person in any other party who has lied like Johnson.You have no grounds whatsoever for saying that, because Johnson's lies were ignored by this Tory party, they'd be ignored by other parties. You are assuming, with no evidence that the Labour party is as morally bankrupt as this Tory party. It's this normalisation. Of previously unacceptable stances that I've been banging on about for years. 10 years ago you'd have thought it unbelievable that ANY party would embrace a liar like Johnson. Now it's just blithely asserted that any party would. There are people around who would vote for a party no matter what and hate the opposition whatever, you know it aswell as I do, you can't deny that. The rest of us flip flop largely based on our own circumstances and thoughts.Have we not been here before about who you vote for pud? I think your answer was that for GEs you have always flopped but never flipped in the current context. Correct me if incorrect.In a way I prefer bb's commentary, it's straight forward he votes tory no matter what, that he can't tell you why without mentioning labour is another matter, wouldn't it be good for a tory voter to occasionally come out and say ................ 'I vote tory for these reasons x, y, z' but they don't, why? because it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny so they use labour as a prop.Prefer what you like, I'm 34 the number of elections i have voted in is pretty small.I guess the main point I'm making here is you and others that want to give the impression that you are flexible and make a considered balanced decision, but never actually vote for anyone but a tory pud.What has anyone else ever offered me that makes me want to vote for them?
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 13, 2022, 04:44:07 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on July 12, 2022, 11:10:26 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2022, 03:43:48 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 12, 2022, 09:40:00 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2022, 08:27:34 amTo be fair some of you could put Boris Johnson in a labour rosette and you'd support him. There's not much it any substance from any of the candidates yet, I'm sure that will come.More of this nonsense.There's never, ever been a person in any other party who has lied like Johnson.You have no grounds whatsoever for saying that, because Johnson's lies were ignored by this Tory party, they'd be ignored by other parties. You are assuming, with no evidence that the Labour party is as morally bankrupt as this Tory party. It's this normalisation. Of previously unacceptable stances that I've been banging on about for years. 10 years ago you'd have thought it unbelievable that ANY party would embrace a liar like Johnson. Now it's just blithely asserted that any party would. There are people around who would vote for a party no matter what and hate the opposition whatever, you know it aswell as I do, you can't deny that. The rest of us flip flop largely based on our own circumstances and thoughts.Have we not been here before about who you vote for pud? I think your answer was that for GEs you have always flopped but never flipped in the current context. Correct me if incorrect.In a way I prefer bb's commentary, it's straight forward he votes tory no matter what, that he can't tell you why without mentioning labour is another matter, wouldn't it be good for a tory voter to occasionally come out and say ................ 'I vote tory for these reasons x, y, z' but they don't, why? because it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny so they use labour as a prop.Prefer what you like, I'm 34 the number of elections i have voted in is pretty small.I guess the main point I'm making here is you and others that want to give the impression that you are flexible and make a considered balanced decision, but never actually vote for anyone but a tory pud.
Quote from: SydneyRover on July 12, 2022, 11:10:26 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2022, 03:43:48 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 12, 2022, 09:40:00 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2022, 08:27:34 amTo be fair some of you could put Boris Johnson in a labour rosette and you'd support him. There's not much it any substance from any of the candidates yet, I'm sure that will come.More of this nonsense.There's never, ever been a person in any other party who has lied like Johnson.You have no grounds whatsoever for saying that, because Johnson's lies were ignored by this Tory party, they'd be ignored by other parties. You are assuming, with no evidence that the Labour party is as morally bankrupt as this Tory party. It's this normalisation. Of previously unacceptable stances that I've been banging on about for years. 10 years ago you'd have thought it unbelievable that ANY party would embrace a liar like Johnson. Now it's just blithely asserted that any party would. There are people around who would vote for a party no matter what and hate the opposition whatever, you know it aswell as I do, you can't deny that. The rest of us flip flop largely based on our own circumstances and thoughts.Have we not been here before about who you vote for pud? I think your answer was that for GEs you have always flopped but never flipped in the current context. Correct me if incorrect.In a way I prefer bb's commentary, it's straight forward he votes tory no matter what, that he can't tell you why without mentioning labour is another matter, wouldn't it be good for a tory voter to occasionally come out and say ................ 'I vote tory for these reasons x, y, z' but they don't, why? because it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny so they use labour as a prop.Prefer what you like, I'm 34 the number of elections i have voted in is pretty small.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2022, 03:43:48 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 12, 2022, 09:40:00 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2022, 08:27:34 amTo be fair some of you could put Boris Johnson in a labour rosette and you'd support him. There's not much it any substance from any of the candidates yet, I'm sure that will come.More of this nonsense.There's never, ever been a person in any other party who has lied like Johnson.You have no grounds whatsoever for saying that, because Johnson's lies were ignored by this Tory party, they'd be ignored by other parties. You are assuming, with no evidence that the Labour party is as morally bankrupt as this Tory party. It's this normalisation. Of previously unacceptable stances that I've been banging on about for years. 10 years ago you'd have thought it unbelievable that ANY party would embrace a liar like Johnson. Now it's just blithely asserted that any party would. There are people around who would vote for a party no matter what and hate the opposition whatever, you know it aswell as I do, you can't deny that. The rest of us flip flop largely based on our own circumstances and thoughts.Have we not been here before about who you vote for pud? I think your answer was that for GEs you have always flopped but never flipped in the current context. Correct me if incorrect.In a way I prefer bb's commentary, it's straight forward he votes tory no matter what, that he can't tell you why without mentioning labour is another matter, wouldn't it be good for a tory voter to occasionally come out and say ................ 'I vote tory for these reasons x, y, z' but they don't, why? because it wouldn't stand up to scrutiny so they use labour as a prop.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 12, 2022, 09:40:00 amQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2022, 08:27:34 amTo be fair some of you could put Boris Johnson in a labour rosette and you'd support him. There's not much it any substance from any of the candidates yet, I'm sure that will come.More of this nonsense.There's never, ever been a person in any other party who has lied like Johnson.You have no grounds whatsoever for saying that, because Johnson's lies were ignored by this Tory party, they'd be ignored by other parties. You are assuming, with no evidence that the Labour party is as morally bankrupt as this Tory party. It's this normalisation. Of previously unacceptable stances that I've been banging on about for years. 10 years ago you'd have thought it unbelievable that ANY party would embrace a liar like Johnson. Now it's just blithely asserted that any party would. There are people around who would vote for a party no matter what and hate the opposition whatever, you know it aswell as I do, you can't deny that. The rest of us flip flop largely based on our own circumstances and thoughts.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on July 12, 2022, 08:27:34 amTo be fair some of you could put Boris Johnson in a labour rosette and you'd support him. There's not much it any substance from any of the candidates yet, I'm sure that will come.More of this nonsense.There's never, ever been a person in any other party who has lied like Johnson.You have no grounds whatsoever for saying that, because Johnson's lies were ignored by this Tory party, they'd be ignored by other parties. You are assuming, with no evidence that the Labour party is as morally bankrupt as this Tory party. It's this normalisation. Of previously unacceptable stances that I've been banging on about for years. 10 years ago you'd have thought it unbelievable that ANY party would embrace a liar like Johnson. Now it's just blithely asserted that any party would.
To be fair some of you could put Boris Johnson in a labour rosette and you'd support him. There's not much it any substance from any of the candidates yet, I'm sure that will come.
There is another train of thought that goes something along the lines of; Johnson is quite happy for this change of PM to go ahead because it will show to the Party & the country how little competent talent there now is in the Tory Party - and he will be back before th next GE - or very soon after it.
Just when you thought Johnson could t get any more vindictive...He's removed the Tory whip from Johnson critic Tobias Ellwood for missing the MONC in Parliament last night. That means Ellwood cannot vote in the Tory leadership ballots.Now, God knows I've no axe to grind for Ellwood, given my first hand knowledge of how his self confidence was match only by his vacuousness.But the reason he missed the vote was that he is the chair of the Defence Select Committee and was in Moldova last night meeting with the Prime Minister to discuss the military situation in Transnistria where Russian separatists have long threatened armed aggression.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 19, 2022, 10:55:58 amJust when you thought Johnson could t get any more vindictive...He's removed the Tory whip from Johnson critic Tobias Ellwood for missing the MONC in Parliament last night. That means Ellwood cannot vote in the Tory leadership ballots.Now, God knows I've no axe to grind for Ellwood, given my first hand knowledge of how his self confidence was match only by his vacuousness.But the reason he missed the vote was that he is the chair of the Defence Select Committee and was in Moldova last night meeting with the Prime Minister to discuss the military situation in Transnistria where Russian separatists have long threatened armed aggression.Apparently he couldnt get a flight back in time .. But he is a known Morduant supporter. As they say "nothing personal" Johnson was just doing his bit to help his preferred successor.Full stop.Lets airbrush from history the other ten conservatives who didn't vote..It seems in order to beef up the story the meaning of "not doing something" has been elevated to "abstaining"It will be quite ironic if Morduant loses by one vote