The Queen

[tyke1962]

Tyke, why wasn't it planted in your head then?

It was as a younger boy and man BB , 1977 jubilee and street party's , 81 Charlie and Di's wedding .

As I grew older the point of it came to me through life experience .

Are you sure you're not confused with being installed with psychology and propaganda when in reality you were being taught basic respect?

Or was I getting programmed not to challenge authority and the social structure of this country ?

My parents taught me basic respect and manners , we always had to give our seats up for older passengers on crowded buses , say thank you and please .

Funny thing happened at school in jubilee year 1977 , our history teacher was fresh out of uni , really good teacher , long hair , flares and with a love of Led Zepp , proper relatable .

He wore a Down With The Jubilee badge and they sacked him for it .

[River Don]

Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".

Deep history.

[Bristol Red Rover]

What a fun thread 

I'm not saying nuffin but love that she inspired one of the greatest rock n roll songs of all Time. Thank you ma'am!

[tyke1962]

What a fun thread 

I'm not saying nuffin but love that she inspired one of the greatest rock n roll songs of all Time. Thank you ma'am!

Ain't that the truth .

[Glyn_Wigley]

Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".

Deep history.

I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?

[River Don]

Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".

Deep history.

I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?

All Latin/romance variations but it's coming from Normandy. Dad is your more guttural Germanic language.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".

Deep history.

I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?

Citroen advert.

[River Don]

Cow Germanic, beef French

Pig Germanic, pork French

Germanic mucky live animals, French cooked cuisine.

Bloody Normans.

[River Don]

Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".

Deep history.

I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?

All Latin/romance variations but it's coming from Normandy. Dad is your more guttural Germanic language.

It's quite weird when you think this royal families heritage is German. It must be something to do with the public schools.

[Colemans Left Hook]

yet Papa Noel is French

do you want him to say this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGe52f285uI

[Filo]

Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".

Deep history.

I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?

All Latin/romance variations but it's coming from Normandy. Dad is your more guttural Germanic language.

It's quite weird when you think this royal families heritage is German. It must be something to do with the public schools.

Only German from the mid 1600’s, before that, Stuarts, Tudors and Plantaganets, Robert the Bruce is a direct ancestor

[River Don]

yet Papa Noel is French

do you want him to say this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGe52f285uI

Vater is closer to the olde English, Faeder.

[Colemans Left Hook]

apparently some of these kings didn't even speak English

[River Don]

Fascinating. The new King Charles refers to his father as 'Papa" which is from the French. Unlike the Anglo-Saxons who go for "Dad".

Deep history.

I thought papa was Italian, as in what they call the Pope. Pere is French for father, isn't it?

All Latin/romance variations but it's coming from Normandy. Dad is your more guttural Germanic language.

It's quite weird when you think this royal families heritage is German. It must be something to do with the public schools.

Only German from the mid 1600’s, before that, Stuarts, Tudors and Plantaganets, Robert the Bruce is a direct ancestor

Yeah, I meant this particular Royal line that's newer and plugged right into Germany. Mountbatten/Battenburg. Windsor/Saxe-Coburg-Gotha.

[River Don]

apparently some of these kings didn't even speak English

Because they were French

[BillyStubbsTears]

King Stephen wouldn't have recognised that name. He was Etienne.

Richard wasn't Lionheart. He was Couer de Lion.

The French aspect remained as the preserve and heritage of the ruling class.

[SydneyRover]

I've actually read this thread back a few times now and i hold my hands up. I've been an arsehole.

It isn't about me. It is about the Queen and how best people wish to respect her life and her memory and pretty much nothing i've said on here contributes to that so yep, not good from my side it has to be said.

I do have some respect for the Queen and as a human being. After all, who wouldn't and whilst i'm not a monarchist and believe that the priveleges the Royals enjoy is wrong, many people have their own particular reasons for wanting to pay tributes and respects and who am i to judge them and make unnecessary comments?

Oddly enough, i've hit somewhat of a lightbulb moment where, totally unrelated to the Queen, i have seen the division that is occuring amongst society at the moment where two polar opposites are at it like cats and dogs. Mostly played out in the media and social media and whichever side you lean towards it is worth seeing the reality that each side has their own agenda to push which is creating societal polarity and division.

I guess BST in another post to me about GB News etc said something along those lines and whilst i do have a lot of the opinions that they hold on GB news, i have 100% become more angry and intolerant of pretty much everyone since Covid and since watching GB news and listening to Talk Radio.

I'm not going to suddenly start reading Gary Lineker's tweets every day or tune in to BBC religiously but i can actually see where this division is skewing my thinking, making me defensive and having a detrimental impact on my health.

I know Arthur Schopenhaur was a famous misanthropist philosopher and he's one of the few people i relate to but even he said that despite of all the horrors of humanity, the only answer and the only way out of that is compassion.

Compassion for others regardless of their views or actions is the only solution. I've just got to find it first. It must be around here somewhere as i had it before the Covid pandemic and since that it has been lost.

It seems like society changes so quick and it is difficult to adapt to that and especially with thinking and i guess it feels safer to stick with what you know. Or what you think you know and when things change around you and you stand still, you get left behind and stuck with older ways of thinking and outdated views. As a poster said yesterday who was particularly critical of my archaic views.

Don't beat yourself up too much panda, people are continuing their feuds, there are scooter meetings etc, etc, the war is continuing, you'd think they would call a truce at least, it the football was on there would a minute silence and then everything forgotten.

[Nudga]

Did she ever do a gloveless handshake with the peasants of her Realm?

She visited an Aberdeen Hospice 2 months ago & with a bare, frail hand shook one of the patients hands who laid a bandaged hand on top of the Queens. She waited until the patient ‘decided’ to let go.

The lady patient wasn’t a peasant in as much as I would define such a person in fact I would never call anyone a peasant……I tend to call them ‘Nudgas’.

Ah muchos muchos gracias ,  Colin.

[rtid88]

For the first, and I suspect last, time in my life I'm genuinely upset (not just saddened) by the death of someone I never met.

I'm surprised at my reaction to be honest and have been trying to rationalise it to myself.

The Queen was not just an exemplary constitutional monarch but more importantly she reinvented the monarchy for the modern age.

Her Grandfather and Great-Grandfather were active in UK political life in a way which would be totally unacceptable in a modern, mature democracy.

The Queen not only deliberately kept herself above politics but her discretion and supreme diplomacy meant in 70+ years of being Head of State and continuously meeting people she never betrayed her personal political beliefs.

On the very odd occasion she did intervene (e.g. Scottish referendum) it was well judged and suitably subtle.

By reinventing the monarchy as wholly apolitical she has enhanced our democracy and ensured the chief politician is just an MP - not a President who would be much more difficult to remove from office on misbehaving or getting completely out of step with the electorate - see our last 2 PMs.

An apolitical constitutional monarch can IMO opinion therefore be a blessing to democracy. The Queen certainly was thanks to all her much discussed virtues but she's the gold standard. That's why she's such a loss and also such a difficult act to follow.

Absolutely brilliantly put Branton!!

[SydneyRover]

Maybe but a comment on pro-monarchy, do we all get a turn now without being slagged off?

[rtid88]

Maybe but a comment on pro-monarchy, do we all get a turn now without being slagged off?

How about we just mourn a great woman without having to have a debate about one thing or another!

[SydneyRover]

Maybe but a comment on pro-monarchy, do we all get a turn now without being slagged off?

How about me just mourn a great woman without having to have a debate about one thing or another!

I'm fine with that but if people do not want a debate then comments should remain neutral, no?

[Donnywolf]

I've got a neutral question

If anyone is watching Sky coverage are you hearing the metallic clanking from Buck House OB site when it's live

If yes what the f*** is it ... It sounds like somebody building scaffolding or fencing or walking on metal walkway ... and why don't they stop it


They never mention it but it was going all day yesterday (or at least when I dipped into it) and it's going now

[SydneyRover]

There is a list of over a thousand employees somewhere, not all at the palace mind, but I don't remember seeing any royal scaffolders.

[ravenrover]

Getting things ready for the TV coverage of the Funeral perhaps?

[River Don]

yet Papa Noel is French

do you want him to say this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGe52f285uI

Vater is closer to the olde English, Faeder.

Vader! I wonder if Lucas did that on purpose? I hope so, the clue was in the name all the time.

[Donnywolf]

Getting things ready for the TV coverage of the Funeral perhaps?

Probably but it's bloody annoying

Can't be my telly ... It's not on ITV ... Not sure on BBC as I don't listen to their news !

[rtid88]

It is the same on BBC

[River Don]

Whilst we are on about the origins of English, here's an interesting thing.

Apparently the reason the Geordie twang is so different to Yorkshire and not obviously related is because the Newcastle area had an invasion of Vikings but they weren't the usual Danes. They were Swedes. Apparently.

You know The Swedish Chef on the Muppet show? You know how he speaks? Sort of nonsense but an up and down accent? Try speaking like the Swedish Chef but replace the nonsense words with words like Kevin Keegan, Newcastle United, Peter Beardsley, Chris Waddle. Ta Da! You sound like Jimmy Nail!

[belton rover]

Last night of the Proms cancelled.

Never did owt for me, but I can't think of a more apt way to celebrate the traditions that the Queen represented than by thousands of peoe dressed in Union Jacks singing songs about the glory of Britain's past.

Meanwhile, while songs and weather forecasts won't happen, the rail unions' response is that train journeys that weren't going to happen should now happen, cos they've called off their strike.

It does feel like everyone is falling over themselves to be seen to be doing something. For fear of being accused of not doing something.

70 years, Billy.
And all you can do is moan about not being able to watch a program you didn’t want to watch.

Again, shame on you.

The other side to this is that the country has been put in to mourning for the next 10 days for a 96 year old woman who hardly anyone of us has met , spoken to or even watched getting interviewed .

Nobody really knows that much about her .

She's shook thousands of hands and had a million small talk conversations I'll give you that but nobody knows her other than her family and even then it's debatable .

The powers that be have told you she's a nice lady , she might be but neither you or I know that for sure .

This thing is planted in your head when you are at school , the bloody national anthem celebrates royalty not the country .

It's a masterclass in psychology and propaganda .

That said it's not actually her fault , she was born in to it and to be fair did a remarkable job of what ever the point of it all is which I have an opinion on too but not now .

It's not a job I'd have wanted so fair play to her .

I think Belton is in another one of his flaps where he chooses to read the most unpleasant thing he can into whatever I post. It would give a psychiatrist a lot of work.

For the record, while not a royalist, I had respect for the Queen. She knew what the role of the Royal Family was in the modern world and she played it to perfection.

I suspect she'd have been bemused at the Met Office cancelling weather forecasts for fear of giving offence. And one of my staff mailing me last night asking whether we should cancel work today "out of respect". Because she knew what the Monarchy was, and that it wasn't something to be worshipped.

Billy, don’t ‘block’ me and then continue to question my state of mind.
Either have the balls to converse with me directly, or not at all.

Before any members of his dwindling fan club tell me he won’t read this, he will.