The Queen

[Panda]

GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.

Not hospitals though.

That's fair..........


Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.

It’s a bank holiday, Panda. How many other bank holidays do hospitals close for?

Well yeah but many hospitals, including DRI are now cancelling some appointments and non urgent surgeries. It's all about them (NHS) and not the patients.

[Ldr]

GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.

Not hospitals though.

That's fair..........


Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.

It’s a bank holiday, Panda. How many other bank holidays do hospitals close for?

Well yeah but many hospitals, including DRI are now cancelling some appointments and non urgent surgeries. It's all about them (NHS) and not the patients.

It may have escaped your attention but it is in fact people who work for the nhs, people who have the same rights as any worker. Go preach your vendetta elsewhere

[Panda]

GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.

Not hospitals though.

That's fair..........


Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.

It’s a bank holiday, Panda. How many other bank holidays do hospitals close for?

Well yeah but many hospitals, including DRI are now cancelling some appointments and non urgent surgeries. It's all about them (NHS) and not the patients.

It may have escaped your attention but it is in fact people who work for the nhs, people who have the same rights as any worker. Go preach your vendetta elsewhere

On what basis do you think it is OK for a health service to cancel appointments in this frivolous manner? Do you not consider the rights and feelings of patients, some of which who will have been awaiting these appointments / operations for some time for which they are fully entitled to receive.

You have a vendetta by not considering the other side of the coin. The patients perspective. Choosing only to look at the perspective of the NHS.

[Ldr]

BST I owe you an apology, this guys whinging is on a whole different planet

[Ldr]

GP's allowed to close on day of the funeral.

Not hospitals though.

That's fair..........


Meanwhile, people are already queuing outside Westminster Hall, 48 hours early for the Queen. I wouldn't go that far for my own mum! Madness.

It’s a bank holiday, Panda. How many other bank holidays do hospitals close for?

Well yeah but many hospitals, including DRI are now cancelling some appointments and non urgent surgeries. It's all about them (NHS) and not the patients.

It may have escaped your attention but it is in fact people who work for the nhs, people who have the same rights as any worker. Go preach your vendetta elsewhere

On what basis do you think it is OK for a health service to cancel appointments in this frivolous manner? Do you not consider the rights and feelings of patients, some of which who will have been awaiting these appointments / operations for some time for which they are fully entitled to receive.

You have a vendetta by not considering the other side of the coin. The patients perspective. Choosing only to look at the perspective of the NHS.

That’s ok, trample all over workers rights because CDH has a hissy fit over a once in 70 years event, sack everyone, damn supermarkets for closing. Fire all the bank workers for not been at work

Where should we stop ? Is there anything you won’t whinge at?

[Panda]

BST I owe you an apology, this guys whinging is on a whole different planet

How is it whinging to point out that the NHS should not be cancelling people's appointments and operations simply because the Queen died nearly a week ago? It is a reasonable point to make and you haven't answered the question as to why you don't see the same situation from the point of view of patients? I don't expect you will answer either because i'm right.

Enjoy your happiness on Monday. I'll enjoy fighting for moral and social justice and to restore this country back to one that works for people. Some of us have to whilst others are off enjoying themselves and being happy.

How about the fire brigade have the day off and operate on a skeleton staff? Would you prefer your house burning down so that some firemen can have the day off?

[Ldr]

Yes nobody ever should have time off, 24/7 working hours for all!!!

[Filo]

BST I owe you an apology, this guys whinging is on a whole different planet

Mr Angry

[Glyn_Wigley]

When is he going to take a day off, that's what I want to know!

[Glyn_Wigley]

On what basis do you think it is OK for a health service to cancel appointments in this frivolous manner? Do you not consider the rights and feelings of patients, some of which who will have been awaiting these appointments / operations for some time for which they are fully entitled to receive.

You have a vendetta by not considering the other side of the coin. The patients perspective. Choosing only to look at the perspective of the NHS.

Quite right, state funerals are just too damn well frivolous! Enforced jollity for all or take the whip to them, eh?

PS spoken as one who has had an NHS appointment on the 19th cancelled. How dare you speak about what you think my feelings are without asking? What would someone who hides behind their autism know about others' feelings anyway?

[Panda]

Having thought about it, i can see the point made that every person - regardless of where they work - should be entitled to pay their respects on the day of the funeral. That is equality and i am for that so yes, i accept that now.

The reason why many people (not just myself) are criticising the NHS for cancelling appointments because of the funeral etc is because the NHS make a habit of it under normal circumstances and if the NHS were functioning effectively for the most part, these people (like myself) maybe wouldn't be so quick to jump on them and this particular day off then wouldn't made much of a difference to patients.

So yes, every NHS worker has the right to do what they see fit on that bank holiday but also, people's live are affected by hospital cancellations and i really don't think these people get their feelings considered by the NHS.

I was awaiting a hospital appointment from March this year and at the end of July, having waited 4 months already - i received a letter from the hospital informing me that the appointment was cancelled.

No apology was given for the cancellation or for any inconvenience or distress caused as a result of the cancellation. No reason for the cancellation was given and no alternative date was provided. They effectively just made me wait 4 months and a month from being seen they sent me the above letter which i felt was crass and didn't consider my feelings as a patient.

I complained and had my feelings and thoughts considered and to the hospitals credit they got me booked in a few weeks before the origninal cancelled appointment. So it's not only about cancellations of appointments with the NHS, it is the manner in which they communicate (or not) with patients that rubs people up the wrong way and there's no need for it IMO.

So you have to consider that a person may have experienced poor care and poor communication from previous encounters with the NHS and this has the potential to make a person begin to view the NHS in an unfavourable light. Which i think is understandable.

The point being made here though and which i can now agree i was wrong about is that everyone has a right as equals to pay their respects to the Queen as British citizens and for others this is going to cause inevitable disruption that probably cannot be avoided for the most part.

[Panda]

On what basis do you think it is OK for a health service to cancel appointments in this frivolous manner? Do you not consider the rights and feelings of patients, some of which who will have been awaiting these appointments / operations for some time for which they are fully entitled to receive.

You have a vendetta by not considering the other side of the coin. The patients perspective. Choosing only to look at the perspective of the NHS.

Quite right, state funerals are just too damn well frivolous! Enforced jollity for all or take the whip to them, eh?

PS spoken as one who has had an NHS appointment on the 19th cancelled. How dare you speak about what you think my feelings are without asking? What would someone who hides behind their autism know about others' feelings anyway?

Thanks for that. I can see that you are annoyed and i empathise.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'm annoyed with you, not the NHS.

[Panda]

I'm annoyed with you, not the NHS.

Thanks for expressing your feelings. I hope you are able to find ways of coming to terms with the annoyance in a way that doesn't continue to affect your health and wellbeing.

[Colemans Left Hook]

I'm annoyed with you, not the NHS.

his XG(expected goals) sorry   XP(expected posts per day) is a mere 20.33 as the weather man often says about the weather pressure "rising steadily"   

his curfew hours are 10pm til 7am 

i tried to be subtle when i started this thread below

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=285955.0

but alas it has fallen on stony ground

[Glyn_Wigley]

Thanks for expressing your feelings. I hope you are able to find ways of coming to terms with the annoyance in a way that doesn't continue to affect your health and wellbeing.

Pointing out the error of your ways is the perfect antidote.

[wilts rover]

I'm annoyed with you, not the NHS.

his XG(expected goals) sorry   XP(expected posts per day) is a mere 20.33 as the weather man often says about the weather pressure "rising steadily"   

Fast approaching the number of different user names he has had on here. Madder than Mad Mick and that's very mad indeed.

[Panda]

What, 2?

[Colin C No.3]

I would suggest it is a bit outdated and that many agreeing to it do not really understand it's meaning nor care and or agree because that's what is required to join the group, at age 12.

''I will do my duty as a Scout, to my God, my King, and my Country. I will be loyal to the B.B.S., and will keep its laws. On my honour I will Love God; Honour the Queen; Respect all. On my honour I will, without fear or reward, protect the weak, defend the helpless, and assist my neighbour''

Totally agree.

Who cares about the oath? It's Scouts. Kids go to learn, develop, experience and have fun. The rest is just outdated nonsense.

I have to say though that the Scout leaders are all volunteers and they do an amazing job and an amazingly generous thing by giving up their time so the kids are able to participate. They are the people who deserve the respect, not some non existent God or King who nobody has ever met.

There are also Scout Leaders who ‘generously’ give up their time in order to ‘get closer’ to children for very different reasons as do Girl Guide Leaders.

[Panda]

I would suggest it is a bit outdated and that many agreeing to it do not really understand it's meaning nor care and or agree because that's what is required to join the group, at age 12.

''I will do my duty as a Scout, to my God, my King, and my Country. I will be loyal to the B.B.S., and will keep its laws. On my honour I will Love God; Honour the Queen; Respect all. On my honour I will, without fear or reward, protect the weak, defend the helpless, and assist my neighbour''

Totally agree.

Who cares about the oath? It's Scouts. Kids go to learn, develop, experience and have fun. The rest is just outdated nonsense.

I have to say though that the Scout leaders are all volunteers and they do an amazing job and an amazingly generous thing by giving up their time so the kids are able to participate. They are the people who deserve the respect, not some non existent God or King who nobody has ever met.

There are also Scout Leaders who ‘generously’ give up their time in order to ‘get closer’ to children for very different reasons as do Girl Guide Leaders.

Indeed. Most are normal people though. I'd argue that the people who you are referring to are generally men who target young boys rather than young girls. Given all but one of our Scout leaders are female and i have a daughter then that reduces the chances of an 'adverse event' happening. If it did, the person responsible would not survive.

I take your point though and i'd certainly draw the line at letting my kid join a church choir.

[Bristol Red Rover]

landlady of the pub my gf's band are due to play at on Saturday is under pressure to cancel it. Nasty bullying from folks who are "up the bloody tree", nothing to do with respect.

Anyway, was going to say about "Papa". In the UK it is posh - Latin and Norman, but goes further than that. It is one of the first three words a baby says. Baba, Papa, Mama. All labial sounds. So of course people take them to mean they are talking about mum or dad, or themselves  - whch they're obviously not  But those words are culturally universal in referring to parents. Sometimes dad is baba, sometimes papa. Not sure it's ever mama.

And then you get the sounds like Ta and Da made by using the tongue.

[Panda]

I've changed my narrow-minded opinion about those people queuing to see the Queen in state. I think, daft as it sounds, the lack of being able to take photos in there has seen people attend who genuinely feel they have a calling to attend rather than just opportunists who want to use it as a photo opportunity and to share it all over social media.

There seems to be a lot of stoicism and camaraderie from those in the queue and there does appear to be a lot of genuine people there simply wanting to pay their respects in the way they see fit rather than attention seekers who just want to go to make a statement and say that they've been.

Personally i wouldn't queue but i can see now why many wish to and can see what they are gaining from the whole experience. Good luck to them.

[ravenrover]

As a former Scout Leader  of 10 years I take exeption at some of the comments on here. Before being allowed anywhere near the Scout Hut I was interviewed by the local Scout leader and agreed to have a police search. Yes some may slip through the net but how many and how often?
Oh and Handshake think you need to take  a back seat for a while the anger is coming through again

[Panda]

Is it? Where? I'm defending Scout leaders if you read what i posted RR. Against CCN3's rather spurious and sweeping statements levelled at Scout leaders that many are kiddy fiddlers.

[ravenrover]

You didn't suggest they were kiddy fiddlers as you put it.
My comment to you was seperate regarding a number of posts you are making, you are falling back into your angry old ways

[Colin C No.3]

Is it? Where? I'm defending Scout leaders if you read what i posted RR. Against CCN3's rather spurious and sweeping statements levelled at Scout leaders that many are kiddy fiddlers.

250 convictions since I was a boy & one abuse to one of my brothers.

[BillyStubbsTears]

How English is this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-62915146

Queueing 24 hours for summat for free.

I bet when it narrows down to one lane, some t**t will go right to the end before they merge in.

[Panda]

Is it? Where? I'm defending Scout leaders if you read what i posted RR. Against CCN3's rather spurious and sweeping statements levelled at Scout leaders that many are kiddy fiddlers.

250 convictions since I was a boy & one abuse to one of my brothers.

I am truly sorry to read of that CCN3. It's an appalling breach of trust and a shocking crime. Hopefully the person got what they deserved.

[ravenrover]

Is it? Where? I'm defending Scout leaders if you read what i posted RR. Against CCN3's rather spurious and sweeping statements levelled at Scout leaders that many are kiddy fiddlers.

250 convictions since I was a boy & one abuse to one of my brothers.

Sincr the 1950s, Yep in my case stretching over 70 years, including 2 in recent years. Wonder why no further detail is given as to numbers in more recent years since more stringent searches were made. One bad egg doesn't spoil a dozen though

[Nudga]

Fancy queuing for hours and hours to see an empty box . Bit weird if you ask me.