The Labour Files

[SydneyRover]

I haven’t even commented?

My point precisely

I don’t care what yours or anyone else’s politics are.  This isn’t personal.

I just think there should be consistency

Or whether they are saddos or anti-establishment?

[albie]

Episode 2 on the anti-semitism allegations which dominated the media pre 2019;
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/25/what-really-happened-during-labours-anti-semitism-crisis

[IDM]

Anyone got a link to this story being covered anywhere else.?

[drfchound]

More racism in the Labour Party?
THE PRESS ASSOCIATION (Sam Blewett, PA Deputy Political Editor)
27 September 2022, 13:45 BST


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Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer is facing calls to suspend MP Rupa Huq after she described Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng as "superficially" black.

In audio published online, Ms Huq can be heard discussing his elite school background, before adding that "you wouldn't know he is black" when listening to him on the radio.

[grayx]

Reply number 11 tells us why Labour will struggle to win a GE.  There is too big a divide in the Party for them to gather enough support for Starmer.

Wow, “ too bigger divide within the labour party”.
Not like this tory shambles eh?

[drfchound]

Reply number 11 tells us why Labour will struggle to win a GE.  There is too big a divide in the Party for them to gather enough support for Starmer.

Wow, “ too bigger divide within the labour party”.
Not like this tory shambles eh?

I agree mate that the Tory’s are in a mess.
It doesn’t mean that Labour aren’t though does it.
If they don’t win the next GE I reckon they never will.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Reply number 11 tells us why Labour will struggle to win a GE.  There is too big a divide in the Party for them to gather enough support for Starmer.

Wow, “ too bigger divide within the labour party”.
Not like this tory shambles eh?

I think Hound here is making the same mistake as the Corbynistas. Thinking their attitude is more influential than it is.

[grayx]

Im not saying Labour are perfect by any means, but surely someone else has to be given a chance. What this Truss & her pals have done over the past week or so is basically stick 2 fingers up at most of the working class, whilst at the same time greasing the palms of those who dont need help & werent expecting it. Gary Neville was spot on with his comments today.
  The problem labour will have is IF they do get elected in 2 years time they’re going to inherit such a mess that its going to take years before any of their policies come through.
  They’l get my vote purely because i dont think they could do any worse and i think a lot of “floating voters” will feel the same. But if they got in & behaved like this lot have done theyd never get my vote again.
 

[wilts rover]

More racism in the Labour Party?
THE PRESS ASSOCIATION (Sam Blewett, PA Deputy Political Editor)
27 September 2022, 13:45 BST


In this article
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Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer is facing calls to suspend MP Rupa Huq after she described Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng as "superficially" black.

In audio published online, Ms Huq can be heard discussing his elite school background, before adding that "you wouldn't know he is black" when listening to him on the radio.

She had been suspended, put under and investigation and offered a written apology for at least 2 hours before you posted that.

Suprised you think that stupidity is more important to comment on than Kwarteng, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and second highest ranking person in govenment, laughing in Westminster Abbey whilst waiting for the Queen's funeral tho?

Funny old world.

[drfchound]

More racism in the Labour Party?
THE PRESS ASSOCIATION (Sam Blewett, PA Deputy Political Editor)
27 September 2022, 13:45 BST


In this article
3956452Z
LABOUR PARTY/THE
Private Company
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer is facing calls to suspend MP Rupa Huq after she described Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng as "superficially" black.

In audio published online, Ms Huq can be heard discussing his elite school background, before adding that "you wouldn't know he is black" when listening to him on the radio.

She had been suspended, put under and investigation and offered a written apology for at least 2 hours before you posted that.

Suprised you think that stupidity is more important to comment on than Kwarteng, the Chancellor of the Exchequer and second highest ranking person in govenment, laughing in Westminster Abbey whilst waiting for the Queen's funeral tho?

Funny old world.

It is indeed wilts.
For starters, I spend much less time in here these days than I used to.
It is the same old same old most days.
However, to respond to you, I didn’t know she had apologised before I posted and didn’t know about Kk laughing in church so perhaps that is why I hadn’t mentioned it.
Wasn’t KK laughing just stupidly as well.
Don’t you think it is odd though that no one else (or is it noone !) had mentioned Ms Huqs blot on the copybook.

[drfchound]

Reply number 11 tells us why Labour will struggle to win a GE.  There is too big a divide in the Party for them to gather enough support for Starmer.

Wow, “ too bigger divide within the labour party”.
Not like this tory shambles eh?

I think Hound here is making the same mistake as the Corbynistas. Thinking their attitude is more influential than it is.

BST, plenty of people DO think that their attitude is quite influential.

[phil old leake]

Until I came on the forum tonight I hadn’t heard anything about the Rupa Huq remark. I feel it’s an absolute disgrace that she’s got away so lightly. If she’d been a white MP all hell would have broken out

The comments are disgraceful. She’s basically inferring to him as an “uncle tom” figure.  What a disgrace. And the Labour Party complain about the attitude of the Tories. ???   

KK is a well educated man who had the good fortune to have an Eton  education. Aren’t minority groups asking to see people of the ethnic communities in position of power. Forget which party he represents he’s surely what all the equality groups are asking to see.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Huq's comments are stupid and insulting.

She's had the whip removed pending an investigation. She's apologised although that's scarcely enough.

Compare and contrast with the comments of the last PM (pickaninnies with watermelon smiles, letterboxes,  tank top wearing bumboys) and the total lack of an apology or any action.

[SydneyRover]

Over to you phil ................

[SydneyRover]

Although I can help you out a bit here phil .......

''Jake Berry, the chair of the Conservative party, wrote to the Labour leader, Keir Starmer, saying he had “serious concerns” about the remarks. He called for Huq to lose the Labour whip, and added: “I trust you will join me in unequivocally condemning these comments as nothing less than racist.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/27/rupa-huq-has-labour-whip-suspended-after-kwarteng-comments

This is the same Jake Berry that gave his full support to johnson in his leadership bid?

No double standards here then aye?

And your comment below:

''Aren’t minority groups asking to see people of the ethnic communities in position of power. Forget which party he represents he’s surely what all the equality groups are asking to see

what everyone should want to see ............. fixed that for you phil

[phil old leake]

Syd there isn’t an over to me on this

BST typical reply I expected.  Instead of addressing the issue and just accepting that some members of the Labour Party have the same type of mentality as other politicians you perversely try to defend it by pointing out the faults of others. This is precisely what is wrong with politics in this country.  Unable to climb off the political merry go round.  Unable to criticise without throwing mud My comments about her behaviour are not political they are comments about her behaviour.  They would be the same if they’d been by a Tory or a green or a Lib Dem or any other party
Syd I’ll go along a little with your highlighted sentence with a caveat. “ what everyone should want to see “ Not as tokenism.  It should always be best candidate no matter the race, religion, gender etc

[BillyStubbsTears]

Phil.

Read what I wrote again. Then get back to me on how you conclude that I'm trying to defend what she said.

What I'm saying is
a) it was wrong. Categorically.
b) it is being dealt with.

I really don't get what point you are trying to make here.

By the way, you say your comments would have been the same regardless of which party the politician who said them came from. Odd, that, because I don't recall you previously expressing disgust at the numerous cases of casually racist, sexist and homophobic language from Tory politicians, including the previous PM.

[SydneyRover]

Syd there isn’t an over to me on this

BST typical reply I expected.  Instead of addressing the issue and just accepting that some members of the Labour Party have the same type of mentality as other politicians you perversely try to defend it by pointing out the faults of others. This is precisely what is wrong with politics in this country.  Unable to climb off the political merry go round.  Unable to criticise without throwing mud My comments about her behaviour are not political they are comments about her behaviour.  They would be the same if they’d been by a Tory or a green or a Lib Dem or any other party
Syd I’ll go along a little with your highlighted sentence with a caveat. “ what everyone should want to see “ Not as tokenism.  It should always be best candidate no matter the race, religion, gender etc

why bother if you know everything already phil?

I have pointed out the failure of jake berry, chair of the tory party whom has just done what you said in your reply phil, he has ignored the racism of johnson but has a pop at starmer who has removed the whip of rupa huq, see the difference there phil?

If your answer to that question is no, then you're a fan of the right party.

By the way have you watched the 'files' at all?

So one whom has made many racist remarks and has disparaged almost every section of british society except the bullingdon club membership gets to be PM and rupa huq gets the whip withdrawn and you suggest it's all the same phil?

Can you show me where you have taken johnson to task over his many racist remarks phil or are you a bit dizzy from the marry go round?

[selby]

  Phil your trying to throw seeds on stony ground mate, you will fall into to trap of you to me clap trap with the winner being the one who posts last with Syd and any of the disciples.

[SydneyRover]

  Phil your trying to throw seeds on stony ground mate, you will fall into to trap of you to me clap trap with the winner being the one who posts last with Syd and any of the disciples.

try to keep it civil and nice selby as requested

[ravenrover]

C'mon Selby it's not unusual for you to try to get "the last say" :-]]

[albie]

Part 3 on racism in Labour under Starmer;
https://www.ajiunit.com/investigation/the-labour-files/

The hierarchy of racism was set out in the Forde Report.

[wilts rover]

Until I came on the forum tonight I hadn’t heard anything about the Rupa Huq remark. I feel it’s an absolute disgrace that she’s got away so lightly. If she’d been a white MP all hell would have broken out

The comments are disgraceful. She’s basically inferring to him as an “uncle tom” figure.  What a disgrace. And the Labour Party complain about the attitude of the Tories. ???   

KK is a well educated man who had the good fortune to have an Eton  education. Aren’t minority groups asking to see people of the ethnic communities in position of power. Forget which party he represents he’s surely what all the equality groups are asking to see.

'Got away so lightly'! She has been suspended by the Labour Party and had the Labour Whip taken away! Unlike Paterson, Liddington, Pincer, the mystery 'rapist'.

When a Labour politican breaks the rules they are subject to the rules. When a Tory politican breaks the rules - they try and change the rules

[Bristol Red Rover]

Phil

I'm more than happy to talk policies. The reason I'm strongly anti-Tory is that they have regularly had disastrous economic policies for the whole of my life. They are responsible for 6 classic macroeconomic disasters in the past 50 years.

The Barber Boom
The Thatcher/Howe monetarist experiment.
The Lawson Boom.
The Cameron/Osborne Austerity
Brexit
This latest Kwarteng/Truss car crash.

I'm happy to debate any one of those in detail at your convenience.

I'm also more than happy to discuss the one period in the past 50 years when the Tory party got the macroeconomics bang on right - Ken Clarke's response to Black Wednesday. Because I don't dislike the Tories because they are Tories. I dislike them when they are so badly wrong on the big issues.

Back to Labour. Listen to Rachel Reeves set out an economic alternative this week to Truss/Kwarteng's kleptocratic pocket stuffing of the rich.

Then let's discuss it.

That list of where they got it wrong, is actually a list of where they got it right. The results of all those policies were intended to make more money for the wealthy, and they did. Most of the wealthy always benefit from economic disasters. The problem is the less wealthy mugs who buy the propaganda around those policies. And then there's the poor mugs who also buy it 

[drfchound]

Until I came on the forum tonight I hadn’t heard anything about the Rupa Huq remark. I feel it’s an absolute disgrace that she’s got away so lightly. If she’d been a white MP all hell would have broken out

The comments are disgraceful. She’s basically inferring to him as an “uncle tom” figure.  What a disgrace. And the Labour Party complain about the attitude of the Tories. ???   

KK is a well educated man who had the good fortune to have an Eton  education. Aren’t minority groups asking to see people of the ethnic communities in position of power. Forget which party he represents he’s surely what all the equality groups are asking to see.

'Got away so lightly'! She has been suspended by the Labour Party and had the Labour Whip taken away! Unlike Paterson, Liddington, Pincer, the mystery 'rapist'.

When a Labour politican breaks the rules they are subject to the rules. When a Tory politican breaks the rules - they try and change the rules

Wilts, did Labour take any action against the front bench Labour MP a few weeks ago, you know, the one who made lewd suggestions to the female MP who sat next to him.
It all went a bit quiet on that.

[wilts rover]

Until I came on the forum tonight I hadn’t heard anything about the Rupa Huq remark. I feel it’s an absolute disgrace that she’s got away so lightly. If she’d been a white MP all hell would have broken out

The comments are disgraceful. She’s basically inferring to him as an “uncle tom” figure.  What a disgrace. And the Labour Party complain about the attitude of the Tories. ???   

KK is a well educated man who had the good fortune to have an Eton  education. Aren’t minority groups asking to see people of the ethnic communities in position of power. Forget which party he represents he’s surely what all the equality groups are asking to see.

'Got away so lightly'! She has been suspended by the Labour Party and had the Labour Whip taken away! Unlike Paterson, Liddington, Pincer, the mystery 'rapist'.

When a Labour politican breaks the rules they are subject to the rules. When a Tory politican breaks the rules - they try and change the rules

Wilts, did Labour take any action against the front bench Labour MP a few weeks ago, you know, the one who made lewd suggestions to the female MP who sat next to him.
It all went a bit quiet on that.

No idea.Why dont you do some research and tell us. Find out what is happening with the (alleged) Tory rapist at the same time.

[phil old leake]

Syd /BST this isn’t  about which party anyone supports. This is about disgraceful behaviour of a member of parliament

It’s not party political in any way which you and others automatically make everything. I probably haven’t decried Johnson and others for comments you’re right.

Let’s just stick to the point about this. She is a disgrace and her comments are abhorrent. Forget others and their behaviour. This is about her and nothing to do with party politics.

[SydneyRover]

Syd /BST this isn’t  about which party anyone supports. This is about disgraceful behaviour of a member of parliament

It’s not party political in any way which you and others automatically make everything. I probably haven’t decried Johnson and others for comments you’re right.

Let’s just stick to the point about this. She is a disgrace and her comments are abhorrent. Forget others and their behaviour. This is about her and nothing to do with party politics.

I get it phil, it's nothing to do with politics you just happen to take an interest in labour, this tells me you couldn't find where you've criticised johnson or others.

[phil old leake]

Wilts I’ll save hound the trouble of looking. I think you’ll find that the whip has not been removed from the Tory MP accused of rape to not highlight who he is.  After all at this time he is only The Accused. He has not been charged. We should all know how mud sticks and this allegation could be unfounded.

We should all remember the Neil and Christine Hamilton false allegations

I am not supporting him I am only saying the obvious

If he is convicted throw the book at him

[phil old leake]

Syd you’re probably right there may not be threads where I have criticised Johnson for his behaviour. To be honest I can’t remember and do not have the time or inclination to check.  But let’s not get defensive and defective Get over yourself. Just come back at me again and then you can say you’ve had the last say on the subject which is what you always want.
That should make you happy.