The Labour Files

[SydneyRover]

I'd say now the odds are getting much shorter and it's a definite no then phil, if having the last word is more important than the content of comments you are in good company.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Syd /BST this isn’t  about which party anyone supports. This is about disgraceful behaviour of a member of parliament

It’s not party political in any way which you and others automatically make everything. I probably haven’t decried Johnson and others for comments you’re right.

Let’s just stick to the point about this. She is a disgrace and her comments are abhorrent. Forget others and their behaviour. This is about her and nothing to do with party politics.

Yep. And I've said it's wrong and she's being dealt with by the party.

What I cannot understand is why you are getting so worked up about this while never once having criticised the repeated comments (at least as bad and arguably much worse) by a man who never once apologised, was never disciplined and who became PM.

Why focus purely on this case without being consistent?

[belton rover]

Phil. Well done for trying, but this thread is yet another example of why ‘Off Topic’ is dying.
Many regular, well respected posters are posting less and less, if at all nowadays.
It’s a shame, but this is what happens after years and years of dogged determination from someone who appears to be slowly getting what he wanted all along: an audience with Billy (with special guests).

[i_ateallthepies]

Syd /BST this isn’t  about which party anyone supports. This is about disgraceful behaviour of a member of parliament

It’s not party political in any way which you and others automatically make everything. I probably haven’t decried Johnson and others for comments you’re right.

Let’s just stick to the point about this. She is a disgrace and her comments are abhorrent. Forget others and their behaviour. This is about her and nothing to do with party politics.

'It's not party political but I absolutely will only criticise one party'.  There you are, Phil, easy way of saying what you mean.

[drfchound]

Until I came on the forum tonight I hadn’t heard anything about the Rupa Huq remark. I feel it’s an absolute disgrace that she’s got away so lightly. If she’d been a white MP all hell would have broken out

The comments are disgraceful. She’s basically inferring to him as an “uncle tom” figure.  What a disgrace. And the Labour Party complain about the attitude of the Tories. ???   

KK is a well educated man who had the good fortune to have an Eton  education. Aren’t minority groups asking to see people of the ethnic communities in position of power. Forget which party he represents he’s surely what all the equality groups are asking to see.

'Got away so lightly'! She has been suspended by the Labour Party and had the Labour Whip taken away! Unlike Paterson, Liddington, Pincer, the mystery 'rapist'.

When a Labour politican breaks the rules they are subject to the rules. When a Tory politican breaks the rules - they try and change the rules

Wilts, did Labour take any action against the front bench Labour MP a few weeks ago, you know, the one who made lewd suggestions to the female MP who sat next to him.
It all went a bit quiet on that.

No idea.Why dont you do some research and tell us. Find out what is happening with the (alleged) Tory rapist at the same time.

Wilts, sorry for the late response, I have had a very busy day and had gone to bed when you put your question to me last night.
I see that Phil has answered the question about the Tory MP.
As for the Labour bloke, it was back in April and I can’t see anywhere where he has been reprimanded by the Labour Party since then.
That might suggest to some that when a Labour MP breaks the rules he might not be reprimanded, as you seem to think he should be.

[albie]

No sanctions taken against the people named as parties to the conspiracy in the AJ series, as far as we know.

This is surprising, given these are allegations of criminal activities, with supporting evidence in the data.

Part 4 from AJ now available (20 mins):
https://youtu.be/db-Gpmfajp8

Spying on members and the press, and unlawful use of data...mm!

[wilts rover]

Wilts I’ll save hound the trouble of looking. I think you’ll find that the whip has not been removed from the Tory MP accused of rape to not highlight who he is.  After all at this time he is only The Accused. He has not been charged. We should all know how mud sticks and this allegation could be unfounded.

We should all remember the Neil and Christine Hamilton false allegations

I am not supporting him I am only saying the obvious

If he is convicted throw the book at him

Phil, if he is convicted he will go to jail.

Trouble is he is not the only one and there is a pattern. Whilst he is not suspended from the Tory Party and is still free to use all Conservative Party facilities and talk to other Tory members - who may be witness in a forthcoming trial.

Another Tory MP is accused of having used a date-rape drug on four victims, including a fellow MP. He is not suspended.

Rob Roberts was found guilty of sexually harrassing staff. Although he was suspened whilst he was banned from Parliament as soon as the ban was lifted he was immediately allowed back into the Tory Party.

David Warburton has been named in his rape, sexual assult and drug use allegations - and rightly suspended by the Party (although he should be thrown out - I'm not sure what more evidence you need than your photo with lines of coke on the front of the Sunday Papers)?

[wilts rover]

Until I came on the forum tonight I hadn’t heard anything about the Rupa Huq remark. I feel it’s an absolute disgrace that she’s got away so lightly. If she’d been a white MP all hell would have broken out

The comments are disgraceful. She’s basically inferring to him as an “uncle tom” figure.  What a disgrace. And the Labour Party complain about the attitude of the Tories. ???   

KK is a well educated man who had the good fortune to have an Eton  education. Aren’t minority groups asking to see people of the ethnic communities in position of power. Forget which party he represents he’s surely what all the equality groups are asking to see.

'Got away so lightly'! She has been suspended by the Labour Party and had the Labour Whip taken away! Unlike Paterson, Liddington, Pincer, the mystery 'rapist'.

When a Labour politican breaks the rules they are subject to the rules. When a Tory politican breaks the rules - they try and change the rules

Wilts, did Labour take any action against the front bench Labour MP a few weeks ago, you know, the one who made lewd suggestions to the female MP who sat next to him.
It all went a bit quiet on that.

No idea.Why dont you do some research and tell us. Find out what is happening with the (alleged) Tory rapist at the same time.

Wilts, sorry for the late response, I have had a very busy day and had gone to bed when you put your question to me last night.
I see that Phil has answered the question about the Tory MP.
As for the Labour bloke, it was back in April and I can’t see anywhere where he has been reprimanded by the Labour Party since then.
That might suggest to some that when a Labour MP breaks the rules he might not be reprimanded, as you seem to think he should be.

No problem hound.
If a Labour MP breaks the rules they should be reprimanded. I have no idea if this guy was or not. I am sure the victim(s) would have had something to say if they weren't.

Same for any MP in any party. Any idea what's happeing to Chris Pincher, drunk and groping people in public btw? Not heard anything about him?

[drfchound]

I have no idea if he has faced any charges wilts but I heard a rumour he has changed his name by deed poll to Bottom Pincher.

[albie]

Nobody known to have faced investigation by Labour over these serious allegations, so I expect class action in the courts to follow.

The mainstream media blackout in the UK is deafening;
https://www.medialens.org/2022/mass-media-omerta-burying-al-jazeeras-the-labour-files/

I wonder why?

[IDM]

I can understand Labour supporting media keeping quiet - rightly or wrongly -  it if this is such a big story why isn’t it headline news in huge font in the Express and Mail, both of which have only just cleaned the shite off their noses for being up Boris Johnson’s arse for so long?

[BillyStubbsTears]

It is simply not credible that if there was a real story that would badly hurt Starmer, with Labour 30 points ahead, The Mail, Express, Sun and Telegraph wouldn't run with it.

The only people running with it are Corbynistas. Go figure...

[DonnyOsmond]

For those who missed it live, the Aljazeera investigation into UK Labour;
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/9/23/unprecedented-leak-exposes-inner-workings-of-uk-labour-party

This is part 1.
Part 2 and 3 on Sat and Monday.

I had to check the date on this post a few times because this report came out 2 and a half years ago. Feels like with Labour currently doing well some Tory supporters are doing all they can to try and throw mud and the Tories on here have been lapping it up.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-leak-report-corbyn-election-whatsapp-antisemitism-tories-yougov-poll-a9462456.html%3famp

[BillyStubbsTears]

DO.
It's really NOT Tory supporters chucking the mud.

[albie]

DO,

That report is not the same as the data release obtained by AJ, although they speak to some of the same issues.
The AJ Labour Files rests upon an evidential base that their legal team feels cannot be challenged in court.

This is why Labour are keeping schtum, because if they felt that they were misrepresented they could obtain redress via the courts...that they have not tells you a story!

[albie]

BST,

The Express did cover the data release, but not as a major story.
Likewise, it was mentioned in the Guardian as a passing comment.

It has received a wider coverage abroad, some examples here;
https://twitter.com/JamesKleinfeld/status/1573685148456976385

Steve Reed MP, David Evans, and Labour legal head Alex Barros-Curtis were made aware of the hacked data, saw it used against Labour members and failed to report ongoing hacking to the police & ICO.

The idea that only people on the left are concerned about unlawful activities is barking mad.
Turning a blind eye to blatant illegality is morally bankrupt.

The reason mainstream media do not want to cover the story is that they support Keith as a "stopgap Tory" in the event of Truss self combusting.
Truss is not a mainstream Tory btw.

They know establishment interests will be supported by Keith/Reeves, offering a new management of the same economic model supported by the Conservative orthodoxy.

No rebuttals or counter evidence has been offered by Labour, the only response is continuing silence.
Former Telegraph editor Peter Oborne is among those worried about the ethical and lawful breakdown from Labour head office.

The only people really trying to ignore the Labour Files data release, and the Forde Report, are the extreme centrists who stand accused in both of deplorable actions. If you cannot see the weakness in your own team, you can never resolve the questions raised.

Wilful blindness is a damaging condition...go figure!

[SydneyRover]

Absolute guesswork

''The reason mainstream media do not want to cover the story is that they support Keith as a "stopgap Tory" in the event of Truss self combusting.
Truss is not a mainstream Tory btw''

Proof?

[albie]

Proof Syd?

The only person raising eyebrows is you...no-one in Labour is contesting the claim other than by stonewalling.

You have the original 850 page leaked report, mentioned in the Independent article Donny Osmond posted.
Then there is the Forde Report, with its conclusion of a "hierarchy of racism".
Now the AJ Labour Files series, which could be actionable if any of it were to be libellous.

Zero response in these circumstances is for a reason...that no valid defence is available.
I expect you agree with this article in the Independent;
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/labour-files-forde-report-keir-starmer-racism-b2198773.html

You are not one to brush conspiracy and criminal behaviour under the carpet Syd, are you?

[SydneyRover]

that isn't proof it's more of the same, give me some proof Albie

[albie]

Interesting piece by former FT journo Matt Kennard on infiltration;
https://declassifieduk.org/the-secretive-us-embassy-backed-group-cultivating-the-british-left/

Not a good look!

[tyke1962]

Interesting piece by former FT journo Matt Kennard on infiltration;
https://declassifieduk.org/the-secretive-us-embassy-backed-group-cultivating-the-british-left/

Not a good look!

It's totally fine albie as far as I'm concerned , I think it's pretty evident what the Labour Party wants to be and if they get elected to government then good on em .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Interesting piece by former FT journo Matt Kennard on infiltration;
https://declassifieduk.org/the-secretive-us-embassy-backed-group-cultivating-the-british-left/

Not a good look!

Let me get this right, cos I'm simple headed and I'm struggling here.

This piece starts off saying BAP "added senior Labour politicians to its secret membership rolls".

Then it says about one of them, "James McMahon, Labour’s shadow minister for the environment, declared (in the Commons Register of Interests) he was a member of the BAP in 2015". While the other two have it in the Register of Interests that they had expenses paid by BAP to attend a BAP conference.

Where is the secrecy here?

[albie]

It seems straightforward to me, BST.

Kennard is saying that some have declared associations, but it is unknown how many others have undeclared associations. This is problematic where industry and foreign interests are looking to influence policy debate.

You could ask Kennard on twitter, if it is troubling you!

[SydneyRover]

from the article:

''Four senior members of Boris Johnson’s administration were also made fellows this year while working inside the UK government''

Maybe it's another JPPG they are quite secretive apparently.

[drfchound]

Interesting piece by former FT journo Matt Kennard on infiltration;
https://declassifieduk.org/the-secretive-us-embassy-backed-group-cultivating-the-british-left/

Not a good look!

Let me get this right, cos I'm simple headed and I'm struggling here.

This piece starts off saying BAP "added senior Labour politicians to its secret membership rolls".

Then it says about one of them, "James McMahon, Labour’s shadow minister for the environment, declared (in the Commons Register of Interests) he was a member of the BAP in 2015". While the other two have it in the Register of Interests that they had expenses paid by BAP to attend a BAP conference.

Where is the secrecy here?

“Secret membership rolls”
Mmmm, I reckon they could be cheese and ham.
Could a BAP conference be people talking about bacon ones.

[albie]

Latest offering from the award winning AJ Investigations Unit;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiODoWurA64

Martin Forde talks about his report and its impact, and the murky depths of the BBC Panorama fiasco.
Hard to see who comes out worse, Team Keith or the BBC?

[albie]

Latest offering from the award winning AJ Investigations Unit;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiODoWurA64

Martin Forde talks about his report and its impact, and the murky depths of the BBC Panorama fiasco.
Hard to see who comes out worse, Team Keith or the BBC?

Well, even the Guardian has woken up to cover the comments of Forde;
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/17/labour-accused-still-not-engaging-hierarchy-racism-claims

Interesting that the BBC Panorama story is getting little response.
The BBC themselves lying doggo, no moves to suspend the Panorama team over their interference with Forde.

[MachoMadness]

The Guardian actually breaking the journo omerta! I'm genuinely shocked, but very little will happen.

It was obvious before, and it's obvious now. Rancid party I'm increasingly convinced is beyond saving.

[tyke1962]

The Guardian actually breaking the journo omerta! I'm genuinely shocked, but very little will happen.

It was obvious before, and it's obvious now. Rancid party I'm increasingly convinced is beyond saving.

It will no doubt be the left's fault which is the go to strategy when the heat is on the Labour Party centrists and the right .

We even get threatened a Tory government is our fault because we aren't exactly enthusiastic about voting Labour or we are admirers of Mogg , Farage and Johnson because we voted for Brexit even though their EU stance is aligned with Thatcher , Cameron and Osborne .

That's the mindset of these utterly deplorable characters if you don't tow the line .

I take one look at Keith and what he is and I'm almost choking on the vomit .

But it's better than the Tories .........

[SydneyRover]

Did you complain about the racism under corbyn tyke? it was a lot worse then