Rishi Sunak

[Bristol Red Rover]

I agree, PMQ is mental. It's totally scripted wth a bit of ad libbing. The BBC, if they were really about news, woud be headlining how eg Sunak failed to answer the questions, but no, just like every other mainstream propaganda service, they focus on the witty replies.

Politics is not about content, it's about the witty quotes, the occasional scandal, confidence of whoever in whatever, drama, pap, the doing down of anyone who challenges the establishment, and thats pretty much all the news ever covers. And then sadly, this is what people buy, including many of the comments here.

[mugnapper]

If it is down to witty put-downs then Starmer ought to get a better scriptwriter and get lessons on delivery. He must be the most witless leader of any political party EVER! His delivery would spoil a good put-down even if he ever presented one.

Liz Truss slipped from your mind so quickly?
The pork markets speech?
The cheese imports disgrace?

[Bentley Bullet]

Oh Rishi, what have you done.......
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2o3BuKPniE

Bloody hell, Bananarama have let themselves go a bit.

[Bentley Bullet]

If it is down to witty put-downs then Starmer ought to get a better scriptwriter and get lessons on delivery. He must be the most witless leader of any political party EVER! His delivery would spoil a good put-down even if he ever presented one.

Liz Truss slipped from your mind so quickly?
The pork markets speech?
The cheese imports disgrace?

I did say witless leader of any political party EVER. I'm afraid your timing is as poor as Keir Starmer's.

[Not Now Kato]

Oh Rishi, what have you done.......
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2o3BuKPniE

Bloody hell, Bananarama have let themselves go a bit.

Have you nothing intelligent to say about the issue BB?

[Bentley Bullet]

I thought I'd let one of the Bananarama girls go first.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

We did learn instead though about the Furlough scheme , the War raging in Europe , the 37 billion bale out of the needy people and the fact Southampton and Portsmouth fans didn't get on in his alternate answer

That's the problem with PMQs.

It started as a way of Opposition genuinely being able to hold Govt to account. Because we've become a society that doesn't treat politics seriously, it's become light entertainment. Who can come up with the wittiest put down.

I'd thought Sunak might have a bit more substance than other recent PMs, but yesterday makes it look like he's a Johnson MK2. Whatever he was asked, he ignored and gave a scripted response that avoided the question:

Q: Do you still agree that you were right to take money away from deprived inner city areas and give it to Tonbridge?

A: You live in Islington and you've no idea about the poor.

Q. Did you ask the Cabinet Secretary for his opinion on re-installing Braverman?

A. Braverman is getting on with reducing crime which the Labour party opposes.

Apparently the Tories are chuffed to bits with Sunak's performance. Which says everything about their attitude.

A little bit liberal there with the truth of the exchange. This was the question asked....

"Why doesn't he put his money where his mouth is?" Starmer asks.

Soundbites from who?  Of course you'll be equally critical of Starmer for that i am sure.

[drfchound]

We did learn instead though about the Furlough scheme , the War raging in Europe , the 37 billion bale out of the needy people and the fact Southampton and Portsmouth fans didn't get on in his alternate answer

That's the problem with PMQs.

It started as a way of Opposition genuinely being able to hold Govt to account. Because we've become a society that doesn't treat politics seriously, it's become light entertainment. Who can come up with the wittiest put down.

I'd thought Sunak might have a bit more substance than other recent PMs, but yesterday makes it look like he's a Johnson MK2. Whatever he was asked, he ignored and gave a scripted response that avoided the question:

Q: Do you still agree that you were right to take money away from deprived inner city areas and give it to Tonbridge?

A: You live in Islington and you've no idea about the poor.

Q. Did you ask the Cabinet Secretary for his opinion on re-installing Braverman?

A. Braverman is getting on with reducing crime which the Labour party opposes.

Apparently the Tories are chuffed to bits with Sunak's performance. Which says everything about their attitude.

A little bit liberal there with the truth of the exchange. This was the question asked....

"Why doesn't he put his money where his mouth is?" Starmer asks.

Soundbites from who?  Of course you'll be equally critical of Starmer for that i am sure.

Another untrue quote then.

[les@donr]

Rishi is in post to save the Tories from electoral disaster not just defeat. Stopping Tories having less seats than the Lib Dems.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BFYP.

Do you agree with the central point of my post?

Starmer asked very specific questions about the PM's policies and judgement.

Sunak totally ignored them and made political points total unrelated to the questions.

Agreed?

[drfchound]

I'm wondering who these "some people" are that Hound seems to have a problem with. I haven't seen any in here.

I’m wondering why you appear to have an unhealthy obsession with those you have chosen to, ahem, ignore.

Belton, just to be right about this, after getting totally brassed off with him criticising almost everything I wrote, for the benefit of both him and myself, I asked him to block my posts.
Thankfully he did.

[SydneyRover]

looking a distinct possibility that sunny has broken all records and misled parliament first time out as PM at pmqs

[BillyStubbsTears]

The scale of the economic disaster that we've been through since Austerity is quite frightening.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DomWh1te/status/1584854310696865792

We are producing 14% less stuff every year than we would have done if we'd got back to the post-War trend after the GFC.

That's about £300bn. Every year. Lost. It's almost beyond belief.

Enough to build 600 infirmaries. Every year


Enough to build 3 HS2s. Every year.

Enough to give every man woman and child in the country £5000. Every year.

And look very carefully at that graph. By 2010 we WERE just starting to accelerate back from the depths of the GFC. Then Austerity throttled that recovery and we are now where we are.

The loss is so enormous that I understand most people being in denial about it. But it's true.

Truss was absolutely right that we desperately need higher growth. She was just wrong in where the blame was and how to fix it. Sunak isn't even thinking about growth.

We need a new approach that gives us sustainable growth. But it'll take a generation at best to put right this catastrophe.

[les@donr]

Rishi had a poor PMQT, trying to copy Boris in avoiding questions from Starmer and trying to score political points. Don't see Rishi lasting too long as PM.

[SydneyRover]

porkies by omission

[Donnywolf]

Porkies by permission (of Mr Speaker)

Seriously I think Westminster needs total reform

Out would go (in no particular order) much of the tradition.

The building ... Get one fit for the 21st Century

Archaic practices and set pieces like PMQs

Maybe House of Lords

FPTP voting system

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Although they vastly overspent Holyrood is the type of modern building we should aspire to with most of the pomp gone.

[Not Now Kato]

I thought I'd let one of the Bananarama girls go first.

BB, you can at time post intelligent arguments that are worthy of listening to and discussing; but when you post stupidity it makes you look, well........ stupid - which I'm sure you're not.

[Bentley Bullet]

I was responding to a link using Emily Thornberry in an argument against someone resigning and then being reinstated.

THAT is proper stupidity, no matter what side of the argument you're on.

[Not Now Kato]

I was responding to a link using Emily Thornberry in an argument against someone resigning and then being reinstated.

THAT is proper stupidity, no matter what side of the argument you're on.

Emily Thornberry?  What are you on about?

[Bentley Bullet]

She's the hypocritical chunky one on the left nodding like a Churchill dog.

[les@donr]

We might get a GE before Christmas. Here's how. Rishi/Hunt bring in cuts to services to the poorest in the UK, particularly in the North! The Red Wall Tories can't stomach this, so with the opposition vote down the Fisical Autumn statement, this forces Rishi to call a GE. Plus there could also be Red Wall Tories defecting to Labour to reduce the Govt's majority. Keir has said he is in talks with some Tories who are considering jumping ship, to save their jobs.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Absolutely no way on earth are Labour accepting Red Wall Tory defectors.

They are dead men walking at the next election. There's no way on earth they would be welcomed into the Labour party as prospective Labour candidates at the next election.

[scawsby steve]

We might get a GE before Christmas. Here's how. Rishi/Hunt bring in cuts to services to the poorest in the UK, particularly in the North! The Red Wall Tories can't stomach this, so with the opposition vote down the Fisical Autumn statement, this forces Rishi to call a GE. Plus there could also be Red Wall Tories defecting to Labour to reduce the Govt's majority. Keir has said he is in talks with some Tories who are considering jumping ship, to save their jobs.

You're dreaming, Les. No way will the Tories allow a GE before 2024. They'd get slaughtered, and they know it.

[Not Now Kato]

She's the hypocritical chunky one on the left nodding like a Churchill dog.

And?

[tyke1962]

Absolutely no way on earth are Labour accepting Red Wall Tory defectors.

They are dead men walking at the next election. There's no way on earth they would be welcomed into the Labour party as prospective Labour candidates at the next election.

You accepted Bury South MP Christian Wakeford no problem .

[Bentley Bullet]

She's the hypocritical chunky one on the left nodding like a Churchill dog.

And?

I realize you like to have the last word but I do wish you weren't so literal.

[Not Now Kato]

She's the hypocritical chunky one on the left nodding like a Churchill dog.

And?

I realize you like to have the last word but I do wish you weren't so literal.

And I wish you could construct a sensible argument on the subject.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Absolutely no way on earth are Labour accepting Red Wall Tory defectors.

They are dead men walking at the next election. There's no way on earth they would be welcomed into the Labour party as prospective Labour candidates at the next election.

You accepted Bury South MP Christian Wakeford no problem .

Different time Tyke. Have you been looking at the positions of the two parties in the polls?

And yes, before you come back, politics IS a grubby business. There's this complicating factor that the Left have never quite got. You have to win before you can have any influence.

[Bentley Bullet]

She's the hypocritical chunky one on the left nodding like a Churchill dog.

And?

I realize you like to have the last word but I do wish you weren't so literal.

And I wish you could construct a sensible argument on the subject.

There is nothing sensible about hypocrisy. To show an example of it as you did is absolutely not a way of constructing a sensible argument.

[les@donr]

Absolutely no way on earth are Labour accepting Red Wall Tory defectors.

They are dead men walking at the next election. There's no way on earth they would be welcomed into the Labour party as prospective Labour candidates at the next election.

You accepted Bury South MP Christian Wakeford no problem .

Good point Tyke.

Keir is a pragmatist not an ideologist like Corbourn. I'm sure he will accept into his ranks red Tories who cannot stand Rishi taking the Tory party further Right and cutting benefits and services to their constituents, especially but not limited to the North.
If Rishi loses the vote over the Fisical Autumn Statement, he has no option than call a GE, a defeat of a Finance Bill is the same as a vote of No Confidence in the Govt.