Process Update - First Half Stats

[ForsolongaRover]

It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.

In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.

Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.

And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.

[dickos1]

If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft

dickos, 5 of the first half players will still be here next season. only 2 of them id have in any rovers side. its not the loss, its the abject performance overall that is the most galling. i dont think ive seen a bunch either not willing or not able to play for each other in a long long time.

Exactly, we’ve played probably the hardest fixture we possibly could with a line up that’s nowhere near ready for this level.
We were shite, proper shite in the first half but I thought in the second half we did everything you can do when you’re not good enough, showed a bit of heart

6 of that side get in our strongest 11

Are you mad?
Anderson, Maxwell, biggins, Rowe, olowu, miller, Lakin. All walk straight into that team

[sedwardsdrfc]

Hurst was the bright spark in our season but slowly he’s gone right off. Hopefully it’s more a case of playing every game in his 1st pro season than DS ruining him

[BillyStubbsTears]

"He's the one whom has instilled this awful process of playing it around at the back until either the defender makes a mess or worse he passes back to Mitchell to do so."

That absolutely wasn't what the players did in the second half.

[Filo]

Hurst was the bright spark in our season but slowly he’s gone right off. Hopefully it’s more a case of playing every game in his 1st pro season than DS ruining him

He’s not strong enough to compete, needs to get on the weights close season

[dickos1]

It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.

In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.

Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.

And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.

Barlow has had 3 very good games, mainly because he’s being played in his correct position and given freedom to express himself.
He had a bad game today, to suggest that’s because of schofield is ridiculous.
Hurst has been poor for a month or so but prior to that he’s been playing far better than he did under mcsheffrey.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hurst was the bright spark in our season but slowly he’s gone right off. Hopefully it’s more a case of playing every game in his 1st pro season than DS ruining him

What I fear may be the problem with Hurst is that he might be an icing on the cake player.

Great when the side is clicking and there's movement and accurate passes.

Hopeless when you have to find some grit and fight.

He was awful tonight.

[danumdon]

Hurst was the bright spark in our season but slowly he’s gone right off. Hopefully it’s more a case of playing every game in his 1st pro season than DS ruining him

I watched Hurst for a while tonight, the poor lad does not know what he's supposed to be doing, you could see it in his play and reactions, he was mostly in a no mans land, not in midfield to receive a pass from defence or up front to attack a through ball, kids like this need simple and straightforward instructions to get the best out of them, the management are completely messing this young prospect up big time.

[Campsall rover]

BST if DS had played 4-3-1-2 we would have had a chance against that lot tonight
Stevenage were very poor. They are a one trick pony.
We have a coach who is so tactically inept it’s frightening.
He will not change from his preferred formation
He had a fixation with it and it has now making him look a complete idiot.
I don’t want to get personal but this is now beyond a joke.

BST stop saying it’s the players who are rubbish
It’s not them
They are being asked to play a system that doesn’t create anything
We are over run in midfield and a lone striker May as well sit in the stands.

It is pitiful.2 shots again.
If they don’t sack him I am seriously thinking of retuning my season ticket
Enough is enough.

[dickos1]

Hurst was the bright spark in our season but slowly he’s gone right off. Hopefully it’s more a case of playing every game in his 1st pro season than DS ruining him

I watched Hurst for a while tonight, the poor lad does not know what he's supposed to be doing, you could see it in his play and reactions, he was mostly in a no mans land, not in midfield to receive a pass from defence or up front to attack a through ball, kids like this need simple and straightforward instructions to get the best out of them, the management are completely messing this young prospect up big time.

He’s been very good for the majority of schofields tenure, games like tonight are never going to suit him.
I would’ve played Bobby in the middle of the park today alongside Liam and ben just to give them back some of the physicality they dish out.

[Bessie Red]

So. Plenty of bile and no solutions?

1. Hire SOMEONE in the on field side of the club with experience. If they will not ditch DS, then bring someone experienced in to guide him
2. If its the Board stipulating the style of play (see GMc's sacking and the Job Advert) then retract that and allow DS the option of trying to finish this season with some sort of positive momentum
3. Listen to the fans about what they saying about the onfield matters. The club may not like what it hears, and might not agree with it, and following the repeated statements that present a 'we know best' air over the past couple of years lets try and heal the divide. Pretending they don't exist and ignoring them won't heal the toxicity in our club and fanbase. And just offering discounts does not resolve the underlying cause of the problems.
4. In future when appointing a manager, dof or assistant, please ensure ONE of these have the necessary experience of management to help guide decision making. Surrounding a novice with novices isn't a strategy for success.

I'm not here to throw bile around - but yes I am frustrated at seeing what I've had to endure for 2 solid years. But covering our eyes and pretending it will magically fix itself isn't the right answer either.

I'm talking about that match. Tonight.

What is any manager supposed to do with the first team squad that was available tonight?

We have people saying "Stop being clever and go back to basics".

What does that mean?

Launch the ball from the back? We don't half a striker who can put in any sort of physical challenge so the ball just comes back.

Get stuck into them? We don't have a single player in that team tonight who could match the aggression of Stevenage.

So. I'll ask again. What EXACTLY do people think we should have done tonight, with the players available?

We could have played with two up front and played balls into channels thus turning their full backs and pulling the CB's out of their comfort zone. Whilst doing this push the midfield further forward to keep pressure on the back line. So no, not launch aimless balls down the throats of the 2 CB's and no  not try and meet them with aggression  but with better thinking.

Right.

So you're saying you want Agard to continuously make penetrating runs into the channels. And our defence and midfield (THOSE defence and midfield that played tonight) to pick him out while under constant pressure from a high, aggressive press?

Maybe a tad optimistic wouldn't you say?

No I wouldn't actually.
We were safe from relegation before tonights game. We had an opportunity to gamble tonight yet he still didn't take the opportunity.
You maybe right that we could have been exposed to their high press however we had nothing to lose & doing what I said would have had them turning towards their own goal meaning that the high press wouldn't have been as easy.

[danumdon]

"He's the one whom has instilled this awful process of playing it around at the back until either the defender makes a mess or worse he passes back to Mitchell to do so."

That absolutely wasn't what the players did in the second half.

Im not sure what you watched, but i saw a defence struggling to beat a press, made even worse with a lightweight and none responsive midfield unable to create any space or movement so they could receive the ball with two totally infective wing-backs who did not perform anything that you could say was required of a wing back.

Absolutely no forward penetration in that side with the ball coming straight back every time, its no wonder we concede so many goals, the defence have the ball for approx 85% of the time when its in possession before they loose it.

Tactics that will see us relegated to none league regardless of who he has available because our best eleven would return a very similar performance under this process.

[dickos1]

BST if DS had played 4-3-1-2 we would have had a chance against that lot tonight
Stevenage were very poor. They are a one trick pony.
We have a coach who is so tactically inept it’s frightening.
He will not change from his preferred formation
He had a fixation with it and it has now making him look a complete idiot.
I don’t want to get personal but this is now beyond a joke.

BST stop saying it’s the players who are rubbish
It’s not them
They are being asked to play a system that doesn’t create anything
We are over run in midfield and a lone striker May as well sit in the stands.

It is pitiful.2 shots again.
If they don’t sack him I am seriously thinking of retuning my season ticket
Enough is enough.

They are a one trick pony but they’re not very poor are they. Look at the table.
Not sure billy is blaming the players, he’s saying to take 6 of your first team out and go to the toughest place in the division, then you know before you go it’s going to be tough.
You knew that yourself

[Alan Southstand]

Campsall, I strongly believe it’s a bit of both. Even with our injured players in, we could still have lost that, especially since Tomlin retired!

You’re right about the Coach, of course, but you have to acknowledge that the team tonight, and for quite a few games lately, is devoid of any real quality.

I’ve been commenting on this forum about that very thing, for what seems like an age and I’ve been heavily criticised for that view. We just havn’t addressed the quality issue for some time.

[Canadian Rover]

If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft

dickos, 5 of the first half players will still be here next season. only 2 of them id have in any rovers side. its not the loss, its the abject performance overall that is the most galling. i dont think ive seen a bunch either not willing or not able to play for each other in a long long time.

Exactly, we’ve played probably the hardest fixture we possibly could with a line up that’s nowhere near ready for this level.
We were shite, proper shite in the first half but I thought in the second half we did everything you can do when you’re not good enough, showed a bit of heart

6 of that side get in our strongest 11

Are you mad?
Anderson, Maxwell, biggins, Rowe, olowu, miller, Lakin. All walk straight into that team

Where?
Anderson for Long (yep)
Maxwell for Mollyneux (yep)
Lakin for Ravenhill (yep)
Miller for Agard (yep but does nothing under Danny's style)

Rowe? Wasted at Centre Half again? Left forward (Danny doesn't play him there)
Biggins? Who for? Where? He doesn't get into a midfield 2 with Close and Lakin and isn't a winger.
Olowu? Who for? Nelson is preferred and Faulkner has had a much better season than him.

[Dare to dream!]

I think Biggins is our best CM.

Not technically the best but he gives so much energy and leadership which makes him a better fit.

[ForsolongaRover]

It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.

In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.

Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.

And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.

Barlow has had 3 very good games, mainly because he’s being played in his correct position and given freedom to express himself.
He had a bad game today, to suggest that’s because of schofield is ridiculous.
Hurst has been poor for a month or so but prior to that he’s been playing far better than he did under mcsheffrey.

I cannot identify your reason for dismissing what I am suggesting. Ridicule seems a bit desperate.

[Canadian Rover]

I think Biggins is our best CM.

Not technically the best but he gives so much energy and leadership which makes him a better fit.

Again Close is without a doubt the best footballer in the midfield (probably the club) but he's not the best for this team and league in a two. So I'd agree with you on the effectiveness of Biggins (but he has a tendency to go missing too alongside Close in a 2) would like to see him, close and Lakin or Rowe in a midfield 3

[dickos1]

It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.

In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.

Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.

And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.

Barlow has had 3 very good games, mainly because he’s being played in his correct position and given freedom to express himself.
He had a bad game today, to suggest that’s because of schofield is ridiculous.
Hurst has been poor for a month or so but prior to that he’s been playing far better than he did under mcsheffrey.

I cannot identify your reason for dismissing what I am suggesting. Ridicule seems a bit desperate.

Ridicule, where?

[dickos1]

If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft

dickos, 5 of the first half players will still be here next season. only 2 of them id have in any rovers side. its not the loss, its the abject performance overall that is the most galling. i dont think ive seen a bunch either not willing or not able to play for each other in a long long time.

Exactly, we’ve played probably the hardest fixture we possibly could with a line up that’s nowhere near ready for this level.
We were shite, proper shite in the first half but I thought in the second half we did everything you can do when you’re not good enough, showed a bit of heart

6 of that side get in our strongest 11

Are you mad?
Anderson, Maxwell, biggins, Rowe, olowu, miller, Lakin. All walk straight into that team

Where?
Anderson for Long (yep)
Maxwell for Mollyneux (yep)
Lakin for Ravenhill (yep)
Miller for Agard (yep but does nothing under Danny's style)

Rowe? Wasted at Centre Half again? Left forward (Danny doesn't play him there)
Biggins? Who for? Where? He doesn't get into a midfield 2 with Close and Lakin and isn't a winger.
Olowu? Who for? Nelson is preferred and Faulkner has had a much better season than him.

So you disagree?
You think 6 of tonight’s starting 11 would get in our starting 11 if everyone was fit.
I can’t get my head around anyone thinking that

[Canadian Rover]

If you’ve decided you don’t want schofield then you’re not going to change your mind unless we win 10 games on the spin next season.
But to get your knickers in a twist over tonight is ridiculous, look at the line up.
The second half at least we showed some b*llocks and had a bit of heart, the first half was pathetic and the second half was the bare minimum that they should be showing every game.
Everyone was predicting a hammering due to what we have available and how good stevenage are at home, then we lose 1-0 and everyone loses their shit, it’s all a bit daft

dickos, 5 of the first half players will still be here next season. only 2 of them id have in any rovers side. its not the loss, its the abject performance overall that is the most galling. i dont think ive seen a bunch either not willing or not able to play for each other in a long long time.

Exactly, we’ve played probably the hardest fixture we possibly could with a line up that’s nowhere near ready for this level.
We were shite, proper shite in the first half but I thought in the second half we did everything you can do when you’re not good enough, showed a bit of heart

6 of that side get in our strongest 11

Are you mad?
Anderson, Maxwell, biggins, Rowe, olowu, miller, Lakin. All walk straight into that team

Where?
Anderson for Long (yep)
Maxwell for Mollyneux (yep)
Lakin for Ravenhill (yep)
Miller for Agard (yep but does nothing under Danny's style)

Rowe? Wasted at Centre Half again? Left forward (Danny doesn't play him there)
Biggins? Who for? Where? He doesn't get into a midfield 2 with Close and Lakin and isn't a winger.
Olowu? Who for? Nelson is preferred and Faulkner has had a much better season than him.

So you disagree?
You think 6 of tonight’s starting 11 would get in our starting 11 if everyone was fit.
I can’t get my head around anyone thinking that

So your back 3 would be Olowu, Rowe, Anderson?

Midfield 2 of Lakin and Biggins?

And Miller up top?

So you'd drop Nelson, Faulkner & Close?

[Ronnie Dovers]

I just think we've been absolutely crying out to go to a 3 in central midfield to compensate for the lack of bite, pace and physicality we have in there, and make the most of the technical strength we do have there.

In the previous few games, even in a 2, the added physicality and tenacity of Rowe in there made a difference. It needed to be done months ago in my opinion. Of course now Rowe is injured, along with Biggins and Lakin, so the opportunity is likely gone for the season.

[Canadian Rover]

And Dickos I'm not saying we aren't suffering from injuries. I do (controversially) THINK that players have downed tools and won't play with minor niggles. Also the players have been mis managed, mis used.

Danny Schofield is the worst first team manager we have ever had (taking the Richardson era out of this)

[Canadian Rover]

I just think we've been absolutely crying out to go to a 3 in central midfield to compensate for the lack of bite, pace and physicality we have in there, and make the most of the technical strength we do have there.

In the previous few games, even in a 2, the added physicality and tenacity of Rowe in there made a difference. It needed to be done months ago in my opinion. Of course now Rowe is injured, along with Biggins and Lakin, so the opportunity is likely gone for the season.

Many of us fellow supporters agree. But we are all idiots apparently.

[dickos1]

I’d be playing 3-5-1-1

Anderson, olowu and either Nelson or Faulkner

Brown rwb, Maxwell lwb

Close, biggins, Lakin in midfield

Rowe/molyneux or hurst playing off miller

[ForsolongaRover]

It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.

In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.

Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.

And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.

Barlow has had 3 very good games, mainly because he’s being played in his correct position and given freedom to express himself.
He had a bad game today, to suggest that’s because of schofield is ridiculous.
Hurst has been poor for a month or so but prior to that he’s been playing far better than he did under mcsheffrey.

I cannot identify your reason for dismissing what I am suggesting. Ridicule seems a bit desperate.

Ridicule, where?

This would be where you used the word “ridiculous”.

[dickos1]

It seems evident that the more players feature in matches directed by Schofield, the worse they get. As individuals we have seen far less from the likes of Hurst as his exposure to Schofield culture increases. The same could be said of Miller before he got injured. Barlow was not as good today because he is now becoming more engrained in The Process.

In contrast Williams who has not played recently looked good.

Only players who he doesn’t like and probably don’t take much notice of him, like Faulkner can sustain a level of consistency.

And the worse they get, the more Schofield seems to be excused responsibility by his tiny enclave of apologists.

Barlow has had 3 very good games, mainly because he’s being played in his correct position and given freedom to express himself.
He had a bad game today, to suggest that’s because of schofield is ridiculous.
Hurst has been poor for a month or so but prior to that he’s been playing far better than he did under mcsheffrey.

I cannot identify your reason for dismissing what I am suggesting. Ridicule seems a bit desperate.

Ridicule, where?

This would be where you used the word “ridiculous”.

Barlow has played his best football in his 2 years at the club over the last 3 weeks under schofield, but today he had a poor game and that’s because schofield is ruining him
It just doesn’t make any sense

[Canadian Rover]

I’d be playing 3-5-1-1

Anderson, olowu and either Nelson or Faulkner

Brown rwb, Maxwell lwb

Close, biggins, Lakin in midfield

Rowe/molyneux or hurst playing off miller

Dickos that's a much better version of what Danny does (especially in the middle of the pitch)

Personally having played in a 3 (but really a 5) at the back I hate it. It doesn't tend to offer anything extra defensively and Brown offers very little as a wing back. He's at best an average right back (at best) we had one of the very best right wing backs in the league with Knoyle and Danny played him at centre half.

I understand and respect you want Danny to do well and want to follow the process. But you must believe he simply doesn't have what it takes to organize and motivate a team? His records with Huddersfield is poor and continues with us too.

[Campsall rover]

Mitchell. Brown, Nelson,close, Molyneux & Hurst
All 1st choices out of a fully fit squad.

Yes that is 6 dickos

DS has made all of them except Nelson into worse players than they were before he got the job.
He is doing his best with Nelson to do the same

He is a joke of a coach.

[Monkcaster_Rover]

It's just depressing.