London

[Bentley Bullet]

People refer to London as no longer English because they claim its British culture has diminished. It's a bit like the Spanish claiming Benidorm is no longer culturally a Spanish city, although it only has around 10% foreign residency.

London has around 37% foreign residency.

[SydneyRover]

Maybe we can get the government to define what English culture is? It's quite different up and down the country.

[Bentley Bullet]

People refer to London as no longer English because they claim its British culture has diminished. It's a bit like the Spanish claiming Benidorm is no longer culturally a Spanish city, although it only has around 10% foreign residency.

London has around 37% foreign residency.

.... A bit like Aboriginal culture being diminished in Australia.

[ravenrover]

anyone remember this


2011 Census: 45% of Londoners white British
which makes you wonder what the 2021 (?) percentage was

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20680565

and this

AS usual make your own decision  - Mrs Coleman said "How does he manage when he is walking down the street ?" 

"BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Nihal Arthanayake has said an “overwhelmingly white” working environment is affecting his mental health."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/other/bbc-presenter-says-overwhelmingly-white-workplace-affects-his-mental-health/ar-AA1kIVmj?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ACTS&cvid=5b5d001c673a4dc8acd7383b77c4fb72&ei=21

BBC Radio 5 Live presenter Nihal Arthanayake has said an “overwhelmingly white” working environment is affecting his mental health.
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The presenter told a journalism diversity conference on Wednesday: “It’s really affecting me that I walk in and all I see is white people.”

His colleagues’ response when he told them this was to reply defensively that they were not being racist, he claimed as he said that was missing the point.

Speaking at the Journalism Diversity Fund (JDF) conference at BBC Media City in Salford, he said: “I’ve seen a lot of people leave this building because they couldn’t deal with the culture.”

He also said others found they had to try to be a certain type of person to progress with the broadcaster, adding: “If you want journalists to progress, they have to be who they are.”
“I don’t think there’s a single Muslim involved in the senior editorial processes” at BBC Radio 5 Live, he added.

He went on: “The hardest thing is to walk into a room, look around and nobody looks like you.”

The presenter made the comments in an on-stage interview with Jo Adetunji, editor of The Conversation, at the JDF’s annual equality, diversity and inclusion conference organised by the NCTJ, which trains new journalists.

The JDF awards bursaries to aspiring journalists from diverse backgrounds who do not have the financial means to support themselves through their training.

  here's the punchline .....  Mr Arthanayake added that he has noticed a difference since moving north after living in London for 20 years.
 

He said: “Since moving up here, being called the P-word – that didn’t happen in London. You’d get a slap for that in London, not even from me.”

Following the interview, Cheryl Varley, a BBC Radio 5 Live producer, said the organisation is committed to tackling the lack of diversity in its newsrooms.

So the implication there is that to be a proper Brit you have to be white?

[SydneyRover]

People refer to London as no longer English because they claim its British culture has diminished. It's a bit like the Spanish claiming Benidorm is no longer culturally a Spanish city, although it only has around 10% foreign residency.

London has around 37% foreign residency.

.... A bit like Aboriginal culture being diminished in Australia.

Aboriginal culture is right there bb, but just like in London, It's that it has change and evolved is all and it scares some people apparently.

[Bentley Bullet]

People refer to London as no longer English because they claim its British culture has diminished. It's a bit like the Spanish claiming Benidorm is no longer culturally a Spanish city, although it only has around 10% foreign residency.

London has around 37% foreign residency.

.... A bit like Aboriginal culture being diminished in Australia.

Aboriginal culture is right there bb, but just like in London, It's that it has change and evolved is all and it scares some people apparently.

so would you call the scared Aboriginals racists?

[SydneyRover]

So you want to divert the topic bb? if you genuinely want to discuss aboriginal culture start another thread.

[Bentley Bullet]

Skip that answer aye, Skippy.

[SydneyRover]

You could make a sensible start and explain what you think English culture is bb.

[TonySoprano]

I’m genuinely interested to know why anyone would claim that London isn’t an English city anymore? What is behind this, specifically? Is it non-white people living here, the number of different languages spoken, maybe different religions? Or could it be the number of foreign cars on the roads, maybe it’s too many Chinese takeaways, or possibly that many folk who do the most ‘menial’ jobs are of foreign descent?

I’m not going to accuse anyone of being racist but I’d like to know, specifically, what it is about London that makes it ‘no longer English’?

Oh, and for the record, I’m sure that every single person of colour that I know and living in London classes themselves as English. They get up and go to work, they like to relax in front of the telly, some of them like a pint, most go to the football (West Ham & Spurs mostly), they want England to win at the cricket (There you go Norman Tebbitt), and they joined in the street parties for the Queens birthday. A couple of them even served in the armed forces too. They just happen to have skin that’s tinted a bit differently to mine.

So, if I need to tell them that their city isn’t English anymore then I’d appreciate a bit of rationale if possible?

Because of the vast and diverse amount of different cultures, colours, creeds, and religions.

If that makes me a racist to Billy and his cohort of lefty bedwetting snowflakes on this forum, then I couldn't care less.

In the real world, talking to sane moderate people is where you find the real consensus.

People like them live in a tiny microcosm, reading the guardian and socialist social media channels, talking to other like minded people on their hard left forums, it just serves to fuel their hard left radical views.
So when they poke their heads out into the real world, they become shocked that regular people don't think the same way.

So no london isn't an English city, its a global city.

Englishness is being pushed out, like the celts were by the saxons.

I'll finish by asking just how diversity is our strength? As the mayor of said city said once after a terror attack.

[SydneyRover]

Would you like to offer up what English culture is TS?

[SydneyRover]

If you can't describe what a thing is, how do you know if you are losing it?

[Iberian Red]

Apparently the entertainment and night time economy is bombing, not surprising with the transport costs the Labour regime in power have imposed on the place and it not being seen as safe as many would like with knife crime and muggins an epidemic.
  Plus it isn't really an English city anymore is it? and you go on holiday for a change of entertainment and its cheaper.

Not sure where you’ve got your info from Selby, but as a long time resident of our fair capital I can assure you that public transport down here is light years ahead of the rest of the country. It’s fairly cheap, very convenient and pretty safe.

As River Don points out, a night out down here (in the centre of London anyway) isn’t cheap at all. £7 a pint isn’t unusual. Young ‘uns these days simply can’t afford it very often. Saying that, you’ll struggle to find an empty boozer in the west end on an evening.

About it not being an English city anymore, what makes you say that?

Ignorance.

Ignorance.

Bigotry.

Racism.

They do tend to go hand in hand don't they Pancho.

They do indeed IR.

Selby, or one of his mates, might be along soon to tell us he was just casting his bait in order to catch one of us stupid, unsuspecting, ‘woke’ lefties.

You were bang on Pancho.

[Iberian Red]

I’m genuinely interested to know why anyone would claim that London isn’t an English city anymore? What is behind this, specifically? Is it non-white people living here, the number of different languages spoken, maybe different religions? Or could it be the number of foreign cars on the roads, maybe it’s too many Chinese takeaways, or possibly that many folk who do the most ‘menial’ jobs are of foreign descent?

I’m not going to accuse anyone of being racist but I’d like to know, specifically, what it is about London that makes it ‘no longer English’?

Oh, and for the record, I’m sure that every single person of colour that I know and living in London classes themselves as English. They get up and go to work, they like to relax in front of the telly, some of them like a pint, most go to the football (West Ham & Spurs mostly), they want England to win at the cricket (There you go Norman Tebbitt), and they joined in the street parties for the Queens birthday. A couple of them even served in the armed forces too. They just happen to have skin that’s tinted a bit differently to mine.

So, if I need to tell them that their city isn’t English anymore then I’d appreciate a bit of rationale if possible?

Because of the vast and diverse amount of different cultures, colours, creeds, and religions.

If that makes me a racist to Billy and his cohort of lefty bedwetting snowflakes on this forum, then I couldn't care less.

In the real world, talking to sane moderate people is where you find the real consensus.

People like them live in a tiny microcosm, reading the guardian and socialist social media channels, talking to other like minded people on their hard left forums, it just serves to fuel their hard left radical views.
So when they poke their heads out into the real world, they become shocked that regular people don't think the same way.

So no london isn't an English city, its a global city.

Englishness is being pushed out, like the celts were by the saxons.

I'll finish by asking just how diversity is our strength? As the mayor of said city said once after a terror attack.

Bingo.

[Herbert Anchovy]

I’m genuinely interested to know why anyone would claim that London isn’t an English city anymore? What is behind this, specifically? Is it non-white people living here, the number of different languages spoken, maybe different religions? Or could it be the number of foreign cars on the roads, maybe it’s too many Chinese takeaways, or possibly that many folk who do the most ‘menial’ jobs are of foreign descent?

I’m not going to accuse anyone of being racist but I’d like to know, specifically, what it is about London that makes it ‘no longer English’?

Oh, and for the record, I’m sure that every single person of colour that I know and living in London classes themselves as English. They get up and go to work, they like to relax in front of the telly, some of them like a pint, most go to the football (West Ham & Spurs mostly), they want England to win at the cricket (There you go Norman Tebbitt), and they joined in the street parties for the Queens birthday. A couple of them even served in the armed forces too. They just happen to have skin that’s tinted a bit differently to mine.

So, if I need to tell them that their city isn’t English anymore then I’d appreciate a bit of rationale if possible?

Because of the vast and diverse amount of different cultures, colours, creeds, and religions.

If that makes me a racist to Billy and his cohort of lefty bedwetting snowflakes on this forum, then I couldn't care less.

In the real world, talking to sane moderate people is where you find the real consensus.

People like them live in a tiny microcosm, reading the guardian and socialist social media channels, talking to other like minded people on their hard left forums, it just serves to fuel their hard left radical views.
So when they poke their heads out into the real world, they become shocked that regular people don't think the same way.

So no london isn't an English city, its a global city.

Englishness is being pushed out, like the celts were by the saxons.

I'll finish by asking just how diversity is our strength? As the mayor of said city said once after a terror attack.

Sorry TS, but I don’t really understand your point. Are you saying that people should be a specific colour, creed or religion to be English? I have friends in South London who are Asian Muslims and born in London. They absolutely class themselves as English. I have a black friend who’s a Buddhist and born in East London. Do they make London less English?

[Sprotyrover]

This says it all really, things are so bad that the Capital city is a dangerous unsafe place for members of the Jewish faith every weekend!
And a great deal of this is immigrant communities isolating, and polarising into groups where they don’t have to integrate into British society or even bother to learn to speak English,the Woke privileged left wing elements of our society are to blame, and we are heading down the same road as Sweden!
Adviser warns London a 'no-go zone for Jews every weekend' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351

[Bristol Red Rover]

This says it all really, things are so bad that the Capital city is a dangerous unsafe place for members of the Jewish faith every weekend!
And a great deal of this is immigrant communities isolating, and polarising into groups where they don’t have to integrate into British society or even bother to learn to speak English,the Woke privileged left wing elements of our society are to blame, and we are heading down the same road as Sweden!
Adviser warns London a 'no-go zone for Jews every weekend' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351

... from a spokesman for Sunak, who is clamping down on protests for whatever reason. No evidence, and most notably states the false, illogical notion of anti Zionism being the same as anti semitism as being the cornerstone of their reasoning. BBC, Sunak, speaking poop? Surely not.

[SydneyRover]

This says it all really, things are so bad that the Capital city is a dangerous unsafe place for members of the Jewish faith every weekend!
And a great deal of this is immigrant communities isolating, and polarising into groups where they don’t have to integrate into British society or even bother to learn to speak English,the Woke privileged left wing elements of our society are to blame, and we are heading down the same road as Sweden!
Adviser warns London a 'no-go zone for Jews every weekend' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351

I wonder if your parents felt the same way sprot?

[Sprotyrover]

This says it all really, things are so bad that the Capital city is a dangerous unsafe place for members of the Jewish faith every weekend!
And a great deal of this is immigrant communities isolating, and polarising into groups where they don’t have to integrate into British society or even bother to learn to speak English,the Woke privileged left wing elements of our society are to blame, and we are heading down the same road as Sweden!
Adviser warns London a 'no-go zone for Jews every weekend' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351

I wonder if your parents felt the same way sprot?

They most certainly didn’t, mum worked for the NHS and Dad down the Pit.neither of them ever bothered to become British citizens, they kept their own Nationality.

[Herbert Anchovy]

This says it all really, things are so bad that the Capital city is a dangerous unsafe place for members of the Jewish faith every weekend!
And a great deal of this is immigrant communities isolating, and polarising into groups where they don’t have to integrate into British society or even bother to learn to speak English,the Woke privileged left wing elements of our society are to blame, and we are heading down the same road as Sweden!
Adviser warns London a 'no-go zone for Jews every weekend' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351

Which immigrant communities are you talking about Sproty? The Aussies around Kensington? The Irish in Kilburn? The Spanish in Brixton? The Jews in Golders Green? The Poles in East Ham? Also, interested to hear your personal experiences of communities isolating themselves in London? Finally, interested to hear about the woke lefty elements who you blame? Last I heard, the right wing Tories were in power?

[Sprotyrover]

This says it all really, things are so bad that the Capital city is a dangerous unsafe place for members of the Jewish faith every weekend!
And a great deal of this is immigrant communities isolating, and polarising into groups where they don’t have to integrate into British society or even bother to learn to speak English,the Woke privileged left wing elements of our society are to blame, and we are heading down the same road as Sweden!
Adviser warns London a 'no-go zone for Jews every weekend' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351

Which immigrant communities are you talking about Sproty? The Aussies around Kensington? The Irish in Kilburn? The Spanish in Brixton? The Jews in Golders Green? The Poles in East Ham? Also, interested to hear your personal experiences of communities isolating themselves in London? Finally, interested to hear about the woke lefty elements who you blame? Last I heard, the right wing Tories were in power?
[/quotewho is in power in London? I note it is Labour,by the way do you live in one of those gated communities in Chelsea, you don’t even understand the Denographics of the Capital.do you?

[SydneyRover]

Hmmm, interesting, I wasn't aware a Lord Mayor controlled either immigration or where people can or can't live.

[Herbert Anchovy]

This says it all really, things are so bad that the Capital city is a dangerous unsafe place for members of the Jewish faith every weekend!
And a great deal of this is immigrant communities isolating, and polarising into groups where they don’t have to integrate into British society or even bother to learn to speak English,the Woke privileged left wing elements of our society are to blame, and we are heading down the same road as Sweden!
Adviser warns London a 'no-go zone for Jews every weekend' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68508351

Which immigrant communities are you talking about Sproty? The Aussies around Kensington? The Irish in Kilburn? The Spanish in Brixton? The Jews in Golders Green? The Poles in East Ham? Also, interested to hear your personal experiences of communities isolating themselves in London? Finally, interested to hear about the woke lefty elements who you blame? Last I heard, the right wing Tories were in power?
[/quotewho is in power in London? I note it is Labour,by the way do you live in one of those gated communities in Chelsea, you don’t even understand the Denographics of the Capital.do you?

I don’t think that you understand how politics London works Sproty. No I don’t live in a gated community in Chelsea and I’d wager that I understand demographics in the capital better than you.

I’d respectfully suggest that I know many more people in London who are immigrants or descendants than you do. I can guarantee that the vast, vast majority of these are good, hard working members of the community and, despite the claims in the OP, consider themselves English. I’d also suggest that this fact won’t make the slightest bit of difference to you as you’ve already made your mind up based on your own (false) prejudices.

[Herbert Anchovy]

People refer to London as no longer English because they claim its British culture has diminished. It's a bit like the Spanish claiming Benidorm is no longer culturally a Spanish city, although it only has around 10% foreign residency.

London has around 37% foreign residency.

This argument suggests that foreign people moving to London don’t embrace British Culture. I don’t see this in reality at all.

[SydneyRover]

May 2019

The Fawlty Towers actor John Cleese has been criticised for repeating his 2011 claim that London was no longer an English city.

Last year, the Monty Python comic announced that he was moving to the Caribbean because he was disappointed with Britain.

The mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said: “These comments make John Cleese sound like he’s in character as Basil Fawlty. Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength. We are proudly the English capital, a European city and a global hub.”

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/may/29/john-cleese-criticised-for-saying-london-is-no-longer-an-english-city

[Sprotyrover]

May 2019

The Fawlty Towers actor John Cleese has been criticised for repeating his 2011 claim that London was no longer an English city.

Last year, the Monty Python comic announced that he was moving to the Caribbean because he was disappointed with Britain.

The mayor of London, Sadiq Khan, said: “These comments make John Cleese sound like he’s in character as Basil Fawlty. Londoners know that our diversity is our greatest strength. We are proudly the English capital, a European city and a global hub.”

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2019/may/29/john-cleese-criticised-for-saying-london-is-no-longer-an-english-city

Ha I recall a wastrel gobby programme seller broadcasting the fact that he had had enough of the UK and was moving to Australia and that was under a Labour Government, wasn’t it Syd?

[SydneyRover]

Dunno sprot, it's your story you're making it up.

[TommyC]

Is it racist to say that London is becoming "non-English"?  It's a clumsy way of putting it yes and it does provide an open-goal to the usual suspects who love to leap on that kind of comment and scream "racist".

Is it racist to state the fact that since the late 90s and particularly under the years of the Blair government(s), that population diversity in London has increased at a higher rate than in any previous historical period, to such an extent that in 2011 it was reported that White-British people had become a minority in the City for the first time? I believe that trend and rate of diversification has continued since then.

A number of posters on this thread claim only to deal in facts, backed up by hard statistics. There are plenty of stats out there relating to the diversification of the London population.  I'm not sure it's racist to point out what seems to be an incontrovertible fact.

[SydneyRover]

The problem is that saying 'London is losing its Englishness' (whatever that is) is promulgating the argument that non-whites cannot be English, which is racist, no?

[selby]

  I don't know Syd, you might be able to explain why you think losing its English heritage is associated with colour, as you are the one that associated it with the subject, it never entered my head.
  Your a big part of the problem, linking things that you disagree with to others being racist, insulting them,  it's your go to get out, your probably sick, go to the doctors.