Moscow Terrorist Attack

[Colin C No.3]

Exactly, the US is using this to try to make it seem on the ball with intelligence plus being generous in who it shares that with.

It's common knowledge the US made that warning and warned western citizens in Russia not to go to crowded areas or events like concerts. They were on the ball.

It was March 7th, and they said for the next 48 hours. They said the perceived threat was from the ISIS K group. On March 7th, Russia says it foiled an attack by ISIS-K on a Moscow synagogue. I haven't got details, but there have apparently been other warnings from the US to Moscow about possibe attacks, hence this one apparently not taken so seriously as being on high alert over a protracted period is harmful. Also in the mix is the work of Ukraine in attacking Moscow and other cities, including civilian areas.

So the headlines obscure the full picture.

The terrorists planning to escape to Ukraine is an interesting point. Some were captured after getting away in a car. So far I haven't see where they were reportedly captured. If it was heading SW, then surely Ukraine is a possible destination.

Then, would Ukraine have anything to do with fascilitating all this, or being linked in any way? Unlikely, that would be stupid. But to say absolutely not is premature. Would the Russian secret services have been involved? Again, possible but unlikely.

So in essence, what you’re saying is:-

The US secret services warned they had evidence that there could be a terrorist attack on Russian soil as early as March 7th & that US citizens working in Russian cities (I’m not privy as to whether or not they specifically identified Moscow as being the possible target) & that it would likely happen within the next 48 hours & the attack would be led by the terrorist group ISIS-K? Check.

On March 7th you say that Russia foiled an attack on a Moscow synagogue by that same group. Does it not then suggest (given the timing) that they must have been acting on that evidence presented by the US? Or was it their own security services that were ‘on the ball’ & therefore nothing to do with any evidence gathered & passed onto Moscow from the US or any other western governments?

Just coincidence then perhaps. Check.

You then say “…apparently there have been other warnings from the US to Russia about possible attacks…” but you don’t have any details. ‘Other warnings’ that were acted upon? You don’t have any details.

‘Other warnings’ of what amount, what frequency? Two a day, three a week, one a month? You don’t know because you don’t have any details. But you do know, or at least you make the presumption that it was because of these ‘other warnings’ that “..apparently was the reason this one was not taken so seriously.” Really? Is that your best assumption?

140+ & still counting deaths & multiple casualties but this warning wasn’t acted on because as you go on to say ..”being on high alert over a protracted period is harmful.” It certainly is when you have hundreds of thousands of military personnel, equipment & state departments involved in a ‘Special Military Operation’ but hey, what’s a few hundred dead & wounded innocent Russian citizens enjoying an evening at a concert hall in the centre of their capital city worth when you’re busy invading, shelling & bombing a sovereign neighbouring state?

But I digress.

You go on to say “The terrorists planning to escape to Ukraine is an interesting point”. Well it might be if it were true! You go on “Some of them were captured getting away in a car. So far I haven’t seen where they were reportedly captured”. Oh I’m sure Vladimir will be straight onto the blower to you as soon as he picks up his ideas from the Mick Herron novel Santa brought him.

I apologise. I’ve interrupted ‘my account on the ground’ by BRR.

“If it..” (the car dear reader) “..were heading SW, then surely Ukraine was a possible destination”. Notice no question mark there.

You then continue like an ending to a Miss Marple Mysteries summing up a case! “Would Ukraine have anything to do with facilitating this or be linked in anyway? Doubtful. That would be stupid. But to say not may be premature aunty.”
“Mmmm. Would the Russian secret services have been involved Igor? Again possible, but unlikely. Oh I don’t know. Then of course there was that stranger standing right on the corner….or was that a lamp post?”

So much conjecture in such a small novel.

[MachoMadness]

I can see how linking a terror attack on unarmed citizens to Ukraine suits Putin's agenda.

It makes no sense for Ukraine to be associated with it and they strongly deny it.

The US warned of an impending attack, that Russia failed to take seriously. The US accept the ISIS admission.

I wonder if Russia did take it seriously, but allowed it to happen anyway to galvanise support for the war which must be patchy after 2 years now, not to mention hundreds of thousands of dead soldiers. It is odd that all 4 gunmen were captured alive, too. Doesn't usually happen when ISIS are involved.

[SydneyRover]

''Alleged suspect in Crocus City Hall shooting forced to eat own ear by Russian law enforcement''

https://english.nv.ua/nation/russia-law-enforcement-forced-alleged-mass-shooting-suspect-to-eat-own-ear-50403788.html

[scawsby steve]

''Alleged suspect in Crocus City Hall shooting forced to eat own ear by Russian law enforcement''

https://english.nv.ua/nation/russia-law-enforcement-forced-alleged-mass-shooting-suspect-to-eat-own-ear-50403788.html

It seems they won't be keeping tabs on him then.

[BessieBlue]

The Putin lie is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger

It started off with the Nazi's in Ukraine and the Ukrainian puppet controlled by Western nations.

The liberation of Ukraine.

The sham Russian election where any genuine opposition had either been slain, locked up or exiled.

and now an attempt to label the nasty Ukranians with the awful slaughter at the Crocus City Hall concert.

I get the impression that in this enlightened age Putin is struggling to retain control of events in Russia.

The lack of resistance to the Prigozhin revolt and the apparent delay in responding to the terrorist attack at Crocus Hall kind of suggests that no one dare do anything until instruction is received from the top.

Surely someone somewhere in Russia is aware of the growing deficit in truth including the appalling number of Russian casualties in the so called Special Military Operation. Navalny was a hugely popular political opponent who ended up being eliminated shortly before the sham election - people are unlikely to forget this man quickly.

We now have a situation where the US very publicly warned the Russian government of an impending terrorist attack - credit must go to the intelligence services for this - and the Putin rejection of the advice resulting in the awful slaughter at the Crocus Concert Hall. Putin vanishes for a day and then appears on national TV to imply a Ukraine connection.

I imagine Putin's get out will be to blame the officials who advised him of all this crap but surely it can only be a matter of time before the lie is exposed for all to see?

[Filo]

Putin seems desperate to pin this on Ukraine

[River Don]

Putin seems desperate to pin this on Ukraine

Certainly does but the evidence is pointing towards Tajikistan.

The ISIS photo released yesterday shows some of the individuals wearing the same  clothing as the gunmen in the footage from the concert hall.

The Guardian says footage has emerged of one of the suspects speaking Tajik.

One of the victims described the gunmen as b being dark and speaking a foreign language. They surely would have recognised Ukrainian if they heard it.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Putin seems desperate to pin this on Ukraine

Certainly does but the evidence is pointing towards Tajikistan.

The ISIS photo released yesterday shows some of the individuals wearing the same  clothing as the gunmen in the footage from the concert hall.

The Guardian says footage has emerged of one of the suspects speaking Tajik.

One of the victims described the gunmen as b being dark and speaking a foreign language. They surely would have recognised Ukrainian if they heard it.

Yes, of the 11 arrested, most were Tajiki - only one not? The issue hasn't been a suggestion that they were Ukrainian but possibly working for them. One said he was paid $5000.

The four? arrested in the car were heading towards Ukraine. That seems crazy to me and may not be true but that's what is being presented with vid evidence. If true, there must be a reason why they were doing that. And if true, it does bring up the question of what link Ukraine has with them.

CIA/Ukraine FSB/MI6 employing them? Certainly possible, they're all involved very intensely in a war with Russia and as wiyh any secret services, there's no morals involved. More likely at this point is that they were ISIS paid even if not your typical ISIS purist warrior.

[Filo]

Putin seems desperate to pin this on Ukraine

Certainly does but the evidence is pointing towards Tajikistan.

The ISIS photo released yesterday shows some of the individuals wearing the same  clothing as the gunmen in the footage from the concert hall.

The Guardian says footage has emerged of one of the suspects speaking Tajik.

One of the victims described the gunmen as b being dark and speaking a foreign language. They surely would have recognised Ukrainian if they heard it.

Yes, of the 11 arrested, most were Tajiki - only one not? The issue hasn't been a suggestion that they were Ukrainian but possibly working for them. One said he was paid $5000.

The four? arrested in the car were heading towards Ukraine. That seems crazy to me and may not be true but that's what is being presented with vid evidence. If true, there must be a reason why they were doing that. And if true, it does bring up the question of what link Ukraine has with them.

CIA/Ukraine FSB/MI6 employing them? Certainly possible, they're all involved very intensely in a war with Russia and as wiyh any secret services, there's no morals involved. More likely at this point is that they were ISIS paid even if not your typical ISIS purist warrior.

The four arrested were 16km from the border with Belarus, maybe the FSB arranged for them to escape through Belarus? Add that to the fact that the minibus in Moscow was claimed to have Ukraine number plates when in reality it had Belarus number plates and you have a common theme

[Bristol Red Rover]

All the news I'm seeing, including vids, says the car was a white Renault, the same a couple of them arrived in. Also that it was stopped near Bryansk. Where did you get the info about a minibus and near Belarus?

[Bristol Red Rover]

As most here seem to be confusing the US warning, it was published on 7th March and clearly states for the next 48 hours.

https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-avoid-large-gatherings-over-the-next-48-hours/

As I said earlier, subsequently a planned attack on a synagogue was foiled.

[Goldthorperover]

''Alleged suspect in Crocus City Hall shooting forced to eat own ear by Russian law enforcement''

https://english.nv.ua/nation/russia-law-enforcement-forced-alleged-mass-shooting-suspect-to-eat-own-ear-50403788.html

It seems they won't be keeping tabs on him then.

Thats a lobe low

[ravenrover]

Perhaps they had given him an earfull when he was arrested

[ravenrover]

Here you go BRR
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1771274967218319814?t=PU8OoTWChj2t1Gn1XyEUnA&s=19

[Bristol Red Rover]

Here you go BRR
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1771274967218319814?t=PU8OoTWChj2t1Gn1XyEUnA&s=19

I'm talking about the car filmed with gunmen arriving in the area, getting out, then driving away later. Renault car. A random suspicious van may also have been involved but it wasn't used to escape as far as I can see.

Apparently it was tracked on leavng Moscow on its way towards Ukraine - intercepted on that road, one that doesn't lead to Belarus. Phone calls were monitored made to Ukraine. If that is the case, and I think it's evidenced,  then who were they calling? Who might be able to guide them to an opportune route and then through Ukraine?

[Colin C No.3]

Here you go BRR
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1771274967218319814?t=PU8OoTWChj2t1Gn1XyEUnA&s=19

I'm talking about the car filmed with gunmen arriving in the area, getting out, then driving away later. Renault car. A random suspicious van may also have been involved but it wasn't used to escape as far as I can see.

Apparently it was tracked on leavng Moscow on its way towards Ukraine - intercepted on that road, one that doesn't lead to Belarus. Phone calls were monitored made to Ukraine. If that is the case, and I think it's evidenced,  then who were they calling? Who might be able to guide them to an opportune route and then through Ukraine?

Source?

[River Don]

So a bunch of Tajiks commit heinous a crime, in the manner of IS.

Islamic state say we did it and we've got pictures of the perpetrators Infront of an islamic state flag. And video of them committing the crime.

And then they turn up in court covered in bruises saying... Ukraine paid us to do it.

Of course it was Ukraine all along! Even though they've got no reason to do it and vociferously deny it.

It's like something out of Monty Python.

[BillyStubbsTears]

RD

And that's before you even start factoring in the constant stream of lies that the Kremlin throws out about everything that has gone on in Putin's War.

Or their track record of blowing up Russian apartment blocks to justify Putin's smashing of Grozny 20 years back.

[Bristol Red Rover]

Putin has started growing a stubby moustache, especially for BST.

There's a few things not fitting with the ISIS story, the use of the left hand to point to heaven by the gunmen, that they were apparently paid, that they escaped when they could have gone to indulge with the 40 virgins, and that they were heading towards Ukraine. Some things do suggest the ISIS link is possible.

My take on it is something is icky uncomfortable, messy, far more messy than a straight ISIS attack. And then we know the US has been cosy with ISIS for a very long time, so maybe that adds clarity?

If people here feel they can do better than regurgitating the beeb or establishment media, I'll be interested for sure. That'll be excluding that BST then.

[ncRover]

I had the suggestion of a CIA backed operation on my BRR bingo card.

What’s your take on the 1999 apartment bombings?

[Filo]

Taken from a post on twitter, the useful idiot part is very relevant here


Classic Russian propagandistic smokescreen.

They do this every time something goes very wrong - the MH-17 downing, the Kursk submarine disaster, the failure of the Kyiv blitzkrieg, the sinking of the Moskva missile cruiser etc etc etc.

1. U.S. intelligence in good faith warns Russia (a dictatorial regime that builds itself on its hostility towards America and its allies) of very possible upcoming terror attacks.

2. Putin, being a f**king moron he is, publicly spits in the West’s face and uses the warnings for his cheap anti-Western propaganda.

3. Four ill-prepared ISIS militants commit the most brutal and the deadliest act of terror in 20 years in Russia.

4. Hordes of Russian FSB, police, Rosgvardia are totally helpless and incompetent.

And instead of making conclusions and admitting their secret services’ biggest domestic failure in decades, Putin and his clique instead unleash a massive propagandistic campaign of laying the blame on Ukraine (!), without a single piece of evidence to substantiate the claim.

Now it’s not that Putin and his goons f**ked up - it’s because there a global conspiracy involving CIA, NATO, the USA making Ukraine somehow align with ISIS, and so “the Kiev regime and his patrons are going to pay for this.”

Worse, the death of over 130 civilian Russians in a Jihadist massacre is used to shamelessly throw dirt at Ukraine in external propaganda front - useful idiots and usual suspects are very, very quick to join Putin in seeing “Ukrainian traces” in the Moscow massacre.

It’s Putin as he is - he’ll rather set the world afire and send tens of thousands of people to their death than simply admit his massive f**k-up.

[ravenrover]

Here you go BRR
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1771274967218319814?t=PU8OoTWChj2t1Gn1XyEUnA&s=19

I'm talking about the car filmed with gunmen arriving in the area, getting out, then driving away later. Renault car. A random suspicious van may also have been involved but it wasn't used to escape as far as I can see.

Apparently it was tracked on leavng Moscow on its way towards Ukraine - intercepted on that road, one that doesn't lead to Belarus. Phone calls were monitored made to Ukraine. If that is the case, and I think it's evidenced,  then who were they calling? Who might be able to guide them to an opportune route and then through Ukraine?

You asked for evidence about the mini bus

[River Don]

So what does islam have to say about murdering people for money?

I don't think it's rewarded with a hareem of virgins in heaven.

[Colin C No.3]

Taken from a post on twitter, the useful idiot part is very relevant here


Classic Russian propagandistic smokescreen.

They do this every time something goes very wrong - the MH-17 downing, the Kursk submarine disaster, the failure of the Kyiv blitzkrieg, the sinking of the Moskva missile cruiser etc etc etc.

1. U.S. intelligence in good faith warns Russia (a dictatorial regime that builds itself on its hostility towards America and its allies) of very possible upcoming terror attacks.

2. Putin, being a f**king moron he is, publicly spits in the West’s face and uses the warnings for his cheap anti-Western propaganda.

3. Four ill-prepared ISIS militants commit the most brutal and the deadliest act of terror in 20 years in Russia.

4. Hordes of Russian FSB, police, Rosgvardia are totally helpless and incompetent.

And instead of making conclusions and admitting their secret services’ biggest domestic failure in decades, Putin and his clique instead unleash a massive propagandistic campaign of laying the blame on Ukraine (!), without a single piece of evidence to substantiate the claim.

Now it’s not that Putin and his goons f**ked up - it’s because there a global conspiracy involving CIA, NATO, the USA making Ukraine somehow align with ISIS, and so “the Kiev regime and his patrons are going to pay for this.”

Worse, the death of over 130 civilian Russians in a Jihadist massacre is used to shamelessly throw dirt at Ukraine in external propaganda front - useful idiots and usual suspects are very, very quick to join Putin in seeing “Ukrainian traces” in the Moscow massacre.

It’s Putin as he is - he’ll rather set the world afire and send tens of thousands of people to their death than simply admit his massive f**k-up.

And that really is the nub of it Filo.

Putin’s only ‘out’ here is to deflect the failure of him & his security services to protect citizens in Moscow by using (what sort of monster uses the deaths of his people for his own personal gains?) this massacre to wrongly & wilfully blame Ukraine, no matter he has no evidence.

I believe he will use either nuclear or chemical war heads to attack Kyiv & destroy Zelenskyy’s government.

How the west will then react could lead us exactly where this caricature of ‘Dr Strangelove’ wants the world to be. At war.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Taken from a post on twitter, the useful idiot part is very relevant here


Classic Russian propagandistic smokescreen.

They do this every time something goes very wrong - the MH-17 downing, the Kursk submarine disaster, the failure of the Kyiv blitzkrieg, the sinking of the Moskva missile cruiser etc etc etc.

1. U.S. intelligence in good faith warns Russia (a dictatorial regime that builds itself on its hostility towards America and its allies) of very possible upcoming terror attacks.

2. Putin, being a f**king moron he is, publicly spits in the West’s face and uses the warnings for his cheap anti-Western propaganda.

3. Four ill-prepared ISIS militants commit the most brutal and the deadliest act of terror in 20 years in Russia.

4. Hordes of Russian FSB, police, Rosgvardia are totally helpless and incompetent.

And instead of making conclusions and admitting their secret services’ biggest domestic failure in decades, Putin and his clique instead unleash a massive propagandistic campaign of laying the blame on Ukraine (!), without a single piece of evidence to substantiate the claim.

Now it’s not that Putin and his goons f**ked up - it’s because there a global conspiracy involving CIA, NATO, the USA making Ukraine somehow align with ISIS, and so “the Kiev regime and his patrons are going to pay for this.”

Worse, the death of over 130 civilian Russians in a Jihadist massacre is used to shamelessly throw dirt at Ukraine in external propaganda front - useful idiots and usual suspects are very, very quick to join Putin in seeing “Ukrainian traces” in the Moscow massacre.

It’s Putin as he is - he’ll rather set the world afire and send tens of thousands of people to their death than simply admit his massive f**k-up.

And that really is the nub of it Filo.

Putin’s only ‘out’ here is to deflect the failure of him & his security services to protect citizens in Moscow by using (what sort of monster uses the deaths of his people for his own personal gains?) this massacre to wrongly & wilfully blame Ukraine, no matter he has no evidence.

I believe he will use either nuclear or chemical war heads to attack Kyiv & destroy Zelenskyy’s government.

How the west will then react could lead us exactly where this caricature of ‘Dr Strangelove’ wants the world to be. At war.

Agree with both of these posts. And you know the crazy thing about it? The vast majority of the Russian people just cannot see that they're being duped by this animal.

[BillyStubbsTears]

He won't use nukes. Full stop.

[SydneyRover]

There is a problem when the media is tightly controlled by the state, I was amazed how many turned out to mark Nalvalny's death and again defiantly put in various protest at the 'election'

[Bristol Red Rover]

Here you go BRR
https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1771274967218319814?t=PU8OoTWChj2t1Gn1XyEUnA&s=19

I'm talking about the car filmed with gunmen arriving in the area, getting out, then driving away later. Renault car. A random suspicious van may also have been involved but it wasn't used to escape as far as I can see.

Apparently it was tracked on leavng Moscow on its way towards Ukraine - intercepted on that road, one that doesn't lead to Belarus. Phone calls were monitored made to Ukraine. If that is the case, and I think it's evidenced,  then who were they calling? Who might be able to guide them to an opportune route and then through Ukraine?

You asked for evidence about the mini bus

Are you saying there isn't much? Certainly nothing about it heading to Belarus.

[River Don]

As most here seem to be confusing the US warning, it was published on 7th March and clearly states for the next 48 hours.

https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-avoid-large-gatherings-over-the-next-48-hours/

As I said earlier, subsequently a planned attack on a synagogue was foiled.

One of the attackers was photographed reccying the theatre the next day.

The assumption is the US warning meant they had to delay their attack.

[Bristol Red Rover]

As most here seem to be confusing the US warning, it was published on 7th March and clearly states for the next 48 hours.

https://ru.usembassy.gov/security-alert-avoid-large-gatherings-over-the-next-48-hours/

As I said earlier, subsequently a planned attack on a synagogue was foiled.

One of the attackers was photographed reccying the theatre the next day.

The assumption is the US warning meant they had to delay their attack.

Some assumption. Or things going ahead as planned, under the US radar. Unlike the Synagogue plan that was foiled.