Gareth Southgate

[BobG]

When so many, for so long, have shouted how the England squad is full of 'better' players than any other squad, then when that squad fails to deliver it's  human nature to look for someone to blame. Self analysis is hard enough without adding in the tribal instincts of patriotism so re-assessing one's own previous views is something that rarely happens. A scapegoat is always, always, a far easier target.

BobG

[dickos1]

We didn’t play the same system as against Holland though for some inexplicable reason. He reverted to the formation that failed earlier in the tournament. A back 4 with Walker constantly going missing at right back. And then because Foden didn’t work on the left in earlier games he tried sticking Bellingham there and guess what, it didn’t work. You could see how frustrated Bellingham was.

I just don’t understand the thinking behind the Southgate in game decisions. The frustration is at least with past England teams they’ve had a go. All tournament it’s felt like we just turn up and hope for a wonder goal. No plan offensively at all.

Why play Kane if you aren’t going to support him, we all know how Kane thrived at Spurs and at Bayern.

Why bother taking Anthony Gordon if you’re not going to have a left winger in the formation all tournament.

Why try bringing on Trippier and Gallagher with 5 minutes to go when we need a goal - obviously he was thinking let’s hang on for extra time and penalties.

Overall I like Southgate, he seems a nice man and you can’t say he isn’t passionate or patriotic, but every single time it matters he shows his lack of top level managerial experience and it’s cost us at 4 tournaments now.

No we played the same formation as the Holland and Swiss games. Foden and Bellingham as number 10s

In the games u mention foden was stuck on the left wing,
To say he’s cost us in 4 tournaments disregarding how we got to the semis and the finals is beyond belief.
Just think about the state we were when he took over going from that to euros finals and World Cup semi finals is not him costing us

Why are past failures an excuse for current failure?

And what do you like about this 3-7-0 formation and system?

Not sure of your point!
So you’re completely disregarding the job he’s done in transforming the national team from what it was in 2016 to what it is now?
That’s fine if that’s what you want to do,

Are you also disregarding the job mccann has done in transforming donny just because he hasn’t won anything?

[Rovers91]

He's done well for England but if we had a better manager in charge we would have at least 1 trophy in the bag. His limitations have shown in the big games when it's mattered.

[Jonathan]

Come on Dickos. Where are you? Your man is a failure. Still won nothing. Despite the mountain of luck that he has had to get to the final we lost (deservedly) to the first proper team we have played. Go Gareth. Go.

On my way back to England you clown.

Here come the petty insults.

I mean it’s not like he wasn’t provoked to respond there is it!

[ncRover]

We didn’t play the same system as against Holland though for some inexplicable reason. He reverted to the formation that failed earlier in the tournament. A back 4 with Walker constantly going missing at right back. And then because Foden didn’t work on the left in earlier games he tried sticking Bellingham there and guess what, it didn’t work. You could see how frustrated Bellingham was.

I just don’t understand the thinking behind the Southgate in game decisions. The frustration is at least with past England teams they’ve had a go. All tournament it’s felt like we just turn up and hope for a wonder goal. No plan offensively at all.

Why play Kane if you aren’t going to support him, we all know how Kane thrived at Spurs and at Bayern.

Why bother taking Anthony Gordon if you’re not going to have a left winger in the formation all tournament.

Why try bringing on Trippier and Gallagher with 5 minutes to go when we need a goal - obviously he was thinking let’s hang on for extra time and penalties.

Overall I like Southgate, he seems a nice man and you can’t say he isn’t passionate or patriotic, but every single time it matters he shows his lack of top level managerial experience and it’s cost us at 4 tournaments now.

No we played the same formation as the Holland and Swiss games. Foden and Bellingham as number 10s

In the games u mention foden was stuck on the left wing,
To say he’s cost us in 4 tournaments disregarding how we got to the semis and the finals is beyond belief.
Just think about the state we were when he took over going from that to euros finals and World Cup semi finals is not him costing us

Why are past failures an excuse for current failure?

And what do you like about this 3-7-0 formation and system?

Not sure of your point!
So you’re completely disregarding the job he’s done in transforming the national team from what it was in 2016 to what it is now?
That’s fine if that’s what you want to do,

Are you also disregarding the job mccann has done in transforming donny just because he hasn’t won anything?

No I'm not completely disregarding it.

I was behind Southgate and appreciative of the job he did up until the Euro 2021 final. There was then a clear pattern to be recognised. He should have been thanked for his work and let go. With his positive changes being used as a springboard.

But let’s be honest, it wasn’t just Southgate who oversaw the cultural change. After that Iceland defeat the FA took a root and branch approach to overhaul the infrastructure of the national team setup. Southgate was a cog in the wheel.

Look at the investment in to St George’s Park for example. In terms of coaching and philosophy there were some very clever and visionary people involved in overhauling the entire national team set up across all age ranges and the women’s team.

This started 8 years ago. A bit weird to mention McCann as he hasn’t been in charge of Rovers for 8 years. If we’re still in League 2 in 2031, I’ll obviously be a bit annoyed. If everyone at the club was like you we’d be saying “Danny Schofield is the right man to take us out of non-league”.

Spain:

2004 Euros - Group stage
2006 World Cup - Round of 16
2008 Euros - Winners
2010 World Cup - Winners
2012 Euros - Winners

France:

Euro 2012 - Quarter finals
World Cup 2014 - Quarter finals
Euro 2016 - Finalists
World Cup 2018 - Winners

Two national team examples of real and continued progression. No reason why we couldn’t have achieved something similar by the end of this 8 year stint. Our progression has gone stagnant and stale and ultimately there is still a losing mentality.

You didn’t answer my question about what you like about the system and formation.

[TonySoprano]

Absolute insanity how anyone can slag off southgate.
He's the best england manager since Ramsey.

It's all too easy to say we should be winning tournaments, but it isn't that simple. There are thousands of minute mitigating factors that affect it, its a game of very fine margins.
Southgate has consistently had england do well at tournaments, and if we stick with him, that's the best chance we have.

What he's done is incredible, he's turned  england from a bunch of individuals, into a real team.
The way he's transformed the mentality is phenomenal.

It would be a HUGE step backwards if he left now.

[Filo]

Southgate has resigned

[MachoMadness]

Thanks for making us believe again, Gareth. Go put your feet up for a bit, despite it all you've earned it.

[Spilsby Red]

Thanks Gareth. A true gent, you got the fans believing. Some might not have agreed with your style of play, but did the players help.

[Goole Rover]

Really sorry to hear this. Gareth Southgate has rejuvenated the England set up, the most successful manager since Alf Ramsey and all he received was criticism by the media and those of little faith. Well done Gareth I don’t blame you at all for making this decision. I wish the next unfortunate every success, stand by to be shot at.

[Herbert Anchovy]

History will look kindly on Southgate. The best and most successful England manager during my lifetime by far. How he's developed the national side and the under 21's since taking over both should not be underestimated.

To a lesser degree he reminds me of Bobby Robson. He was given torrents of abuse by England fans and the press whilst Manager and now he's seen as a God! Southgate has achieved much more that Robson did and in years to come his efforts for the England team will be fully recognised.

[Smyth]

How did Bobby Robson do against Slovakia and Slovenia?
Idiotic of the FA to give him a contract for the Euros before a ball was kicked in the World Cup finals.
Great preparation for the next World Cup.

[SydneyRover]

Southgate has probably made the best decision for his own sanity, he's certainly had success but I can see why some are impatient. If his teams had played more attractive football and gone out early he probably would have been sacked long ago.

He can be proud of his record, the next manager as with the ones previous to GS will understand and know how difficult a job it is.

[dickos1]

How did Bobby Robson do against Slovakia and Slovenia?
Idiotic of the FA to give him a contract for the Euros before a ball was kicked in the World Cup finals.
Great preparation for the next World Cup.

How did Bobby Robson do against Slovakia and Slovenia?
Idiotic of the FA to give him a contract for the Euros before a ball was kicked in the World Cup finals.
Great preparation for the next World Cup.

Are you for real?
You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
Have a Quick Look at our results under robson, educate yourself a bit before spouting rubbish

[Herbert Anchovy]

How did Bobby Robson do against Slovakia and Slovenia?
Idiotic of the FA to give him a contract for the Euros before a ball was kicked in the World Cup finals.
Great preparation for the next World Cup.

Slovenia and Slovakia didn't exist when Bobby Robson was England manager fella.

[Smyth]

How did Bobby Robson do against Slovakia and Slovenia?
Idiotic of the FA to give him a contract for the Euros before a ball was kicked in the World Cup finals.
Great preparation for the next World Cup.

Slovenia and Slovakia didn't exist when Bobby Robson was England manager fella.

That was..erm..my point.
International football was much harder in years gone by.
No England manager ever had such an easy route to a final.
If you can't be good be lucky

[Little Wolf]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czrjyjrr80do

Take the quiz i was surprised by a lot of the answers
His record is not as good as most people thought

[drfchound]

Well done Gareth for giving English football credibility again and getting us to two finals.
I don’t blame him for resigning, why would he want all that stick from some fans.
As for International football being harder in years gone by, sorry but I can’t accept that.
The quality of all teams has improved over the years and teams who used to get hammered most times they played are now much harder to beat.

[Herbert Anchovy]

How did Bobby Robson do against Slovakia and Slovenia?
Idiotic of the FA to give him a contract for the Euros before a ball was kicked in the World Cup finals.
Great preparation for the next World Cup.

Slovenia and Slovakia didn't exist when Bobby Robson was England manager fella.

That was..erm..my point.
International football was much harder in years gone by.
No England manager ever had such an easy route to a final.
If you can't be good be lucky

International football was much harder in years gone by! How do you work that one out? I used to go to a lot of internationals back then and a number of international teams were bordering on amateur. Just off the top of my head, I can remember England being booed off after playing Greece, Kuwait, Romania, Denmark, Australia, Tunisia & Norway who at the time all had some players who were part time.

[Wild Rover]

Cheers Gareth, onward we go. Although i am unsure Lee Carsley is the way FA ought to go ( if they go down the route of appointing from within).

[Draytonian III]

How did Bobby Robson do against Slovakia and Slovenia?
Idiotic of the FA to give him a contract for the Euros before a ball was kicked in the World Cup finals.
Great preparation for the next World Cup.

Slovenia and Slovakia didn't exist when Bobby Robson was England manager fella.

That was..erm..my point.
International football was much harder in years gone by.
No England manager ever had such an easy route to a final.
If you can't be good be lucky

International football was easier years ago, the “ lesser” teams used to get regular thrashed 6,7,8 -0, I don’t mean San Marino and Gibraltar, teams like Luxembourg, Norway, Cyprus

[Metalmicky]

Thanks for making us believe again, Gareth. Go put your feet up for a bit, despite it all you've earned it.

He certainly has - was on a salary of over £5m a year..... so coining it in.

[Metalmicky]

Cheers Gareth, onward we go. Although i am unsure Lee Carsley is the way FA ought to go ( if they go down the route of appointing from within).

The Beeb already have some of the runners and riders in this article....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn0862v8gw2o

[NickDRFC]

Cheers Gareth, onward we go. Although i am unsure Lee Carsley is the way FA ought to go ( if they go down the route of appointing from within).

It’s worked for Spain & Argentina with De La Fuente & Scaloni so I’m not averse to it. Wonder if he’d want Gary McSheffrey on his coaching staff 

[dickos1]

How did Bobby Robson do against Slovakia and Slovenia?
Idiotic of the FA to give him a contract for the Euros before a ball was kicked in the World Cup finals.
Great preparation for the next World Cup.

How did Bobby Robson do against Slovakia and Slovenia?
Idiotic of the FA to give him a contract for the Euros before a ball was kicked in the World Cup finals.
Great preparation for the next World Cup.

Are you for real?
You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
Have a Quick Look at our results under robson, educate yourself a bit before spouting rubbish

Ah so all the ex international players who said Southgate shouldn't have stayed know less than you.
I  think it was idiotic to give him a contract before a ball was kicked at the last World Cup.
Putting together a highlights package from the last few weeks?
Apt that Southgate has made a late change in hope of an improvement.

Plenty have said it’s time for a change, plenty have said they wanted him to stay.
But almost everyone I’ve listened to have praised how he’s transformed the national team.
Bobby robson was getting more criticism than Southgate during 86 and 90.
Drawing with Morocco and struggling against very poor Belgium, 1-0 v Egypt, drawing with Ireland, struggling against Cameroon.
Robson never got us to a final and got knighted Southgate will be looked back upon in 20 years as a manager that took us to the most successful period of our lifetimes.
The next manager is under massive pressure because by the looks of it the minimum requirement is to win a final

[Nudga]

It's the right time for him to go. Eight years in the job and been successful to a degree. Not lifted any silverware and the natives have been restless this last month.
A new voice and new ideas is what's needed to try and get the full potential out of this crop of young players.

Hopefully Harry Kane will also step.down from international football as he was nowhere near the levels required at international tournament football.

[dickos1]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czrjyjrr80do

Take the quiz i was surprised by a lot of the answers
His record is not as good as most people thought

The stat that matters is which manager has won the most knockout games as manager. And it’s not even close.
He’s won more than all the previous managers since 1966 put together

[Lesonthewest]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/czrjyjrr80do

Take the quiz i was surprised by a lot of the answers
His record is not as good as most people thought

The stat that matters is which manager has won the most knockout games as manager. And it’s not even close.
He’s won more than all the previous managers since 1966 put together

Another stat that matters more than any, is that in 8 years he has won nothing, done a great job & I wish him well, thoroughly nice guy, but time to move on & bring someone in who can finish the job & bring us a trophy.

[drfchound]

In our history we have only won one major trophy and been to three major finals.

[NickDRFC]

It's the right time for him to go. Eight years in the job and been successful to a degree. Not lifted any silverware and the natives have been restless this last month.
A new voice and new ideas is what's needed to try and get the full potential out of this crop of young players.

Hopefully Harry Kane will also step.down from international football as he was nowhere near the levels required at international tournament football.

Surely that’s down to him not being fit (for which Southgate, the medical staff and Kane himself are all culpable given how much he played). He’s just come off the back of a 40 goal season in the Bundesliga and is only 31, feels far too early to write him off.