Bradford Tickets

[drfchound]

It would never become a Hillsborough situation though as there is far to much open ground around the stadium.

I did say ish.

[colincramb]

There was a Bradford fan urging fellow fans on one of their forums to turn up on mass, with the thought the police would force DRFC to let them in to prevent any issues.

The police won’t do this. It will just mean plenty of people get locked up for public order offences. Very silly to even try. Can imagine it being a bit of a nightmare for those on the turnstiles though with people trying to ‘Jimmy in’ off the back of others.

[normal rules]

It looks like by reducing the away allocation, it has allowed us to fully utilise the East and west stands by having the segregation area to the two sides of the away fans in the away end.
Makes sense to me. 

The away end holds 3334. We've given them 1500. Work out for yourself just how big the segregation will be and then ask yourself if it's normal? it isn't. I understand the reason why it's reduced but if this was a run of the mill game they would receive nearly 3000 tickets.

Crowd segregation is all about putting distance between groups. City have the central 4 blocks . If they were to have the central 6 blocks the actual distance between the bottom of west stand W33 block and the bottom of north stand block N37 is very little, due to the curved corners . I’m not privy to the Categorisation of this game from a policing perspective , but I’d imagine it’s at the higher end of things . Whilst there is little rivalry between these clubs, or a history of disorder, it’s a big crowd and a big fixture with a lot at stake. Emotions will be running high. It has risk attached to it . And the risk assessment will take all this into consideration . Let’s not forget, rovers sadly have an element of “supporters” who don’t care much for good behaviour. It’s for that reason the annoying but understandable away ticket policy is in place . I think, all things considered, the ticket allocation has been spot on .

[normal rules]

There was a Bradford fan urging fellow fans on one of their forums to turn up on mass, with the thought the police would force DRFC to let them in to prevent any issues.

The police won’t do this. It will just mean plenty of people get locked up for public order offences. Very silly to even try. Can imagine it being a bit of a nightmare for those on the turnstiles though with people trying to ‘Jimmy in’ off the back of others.
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It’s fair to say, this season and tomorrow in particular had thrown up a perfect storm. There are a few permutations that would be very very positive for rovers and city. But equally , there are permutations that could hit a very big pause button. None of which are lost on the fervent supporter base in this lge of death.
Turning up to a footy match that is sold out without a ticket is not a public order offence. It would only be disorderly behaviour that would attract police action. Attempting an old school “jibbing” is nigh on impossible at the KM.
The police would do little with any group that turned up unless they started causing issues. They would attempt to diffuse any problems by moving them on .
We should maybe be thankful this fixture is t being played out at BV. It would be chaos.
At the Lincoln v hull fixture many years ago ( which I worked at) the hull risk mob that turned up without tickets were ushered to the hotel opposite the station which they duely trashed. I know, I was stood outside. Every single one of them was arrested. Filling every custody suite in Lincolnshire.
The risk tomorrow is a large Bradford group turn up. They drink in town and if Bradford get a result they turn up at the ground to try to get in when the gates open . This would cause issues for sure . Police headache as there are other games taking place in south yorks . Such as Wendies v Pompey. It’s maybe for these reasons the away crowd has been limited. Bradford fans in Donny town centre are not a problem for DRFC. They are a problem for SYP .
Let’s hope tomorrow passes peacefully. But there is plenty of potential for problems. Especially if there is a determined group from Bradford that turn up at the KM without tickets .

[Iberian Red]

It looks like by reducing the away allocation, it has allowed us to fully utilise the East and west stands by having the segregation area to the two sides of the away fans in the away end.
Makes sense to me. 

The away end holds 3334. We've given them 1500. Work out for yourself just how big the segregation will be and then ask yourself if it's normal? it isn't. I understand the reason why it's reduced but if this was a run of the mill game they would receive nearly 3000 tickets.

Crowd segregation is all about putting distance between groups. City have the central 4 blocks . If they were to have the central 6 blocks the actual distance between the bottom of west stand W33 block and the bottom of north stand block N37 is very little, due to the curved corners . I’m not privy to the Categorisation of this game from a policing perspective , but I’d imagine it’s at the higher end of things . Whilst there is little rivalry between these clubs, or a history of disorder, it’s a big crowd and a big fixture with a lot at stake. Emotions will be running high. It has risk attached to it . And the risk assessment will take all this into consideration . Let’s not forget, rovers sadly have an element of “supporters” who don’t care much for good behaviour. It’s for that reason the annoying but understandable away ticket policy is in place . I think, all things considered, the ticket allocation has been spot on .

Can I claim £5 on PC Patterson?

[Iberian Red]

Sorry,I missed the smiley

[KingKendrick]

I’m sure which side doesn’t get a result
on the pitch will be looking to get a result off it 

[Plumbster]

This is my point exactly Gaz

First, in the 22 seasons since we regained our league place, discounting the COVID season behind closed doors, we have always averaged over 6K

In the 33 seasons before that we only once averaged over 6K, in 1975-76, and in 19 of those seasons it was less than 3K

That is a first generation of large growth

Prior to the Keepmoat opening, we had not had over 7K average since 1969-70. Since we moved (and discounting the COVID season) we will have had over 7K in 13 out of the 18 seasons

That is a second generation of noticeable growth from a higher start point

it’s also felt like our away following has grown in recent years- are there any stats on these?

[Usher wide.]

I’m sure which side doesn’t get a result
on the pitch will be looking to get a result off it 

Stay at home & play in the back garden little child.

[ForsolongaRover]

This is my point exactly Gaz

First, in the 22 seasons since we regained our league place, discounting the COVID season behind closed doors, we have always averaged over 6K

In the 33 seasons before that we only once averaged over 6K, in 1975-76, and in 19 of those seasons it was less than 3K

That is a first generation of large growth

Prior to the Keepmoat opening, we had not had over 7K average since 1969-70. Since we moved (and discounting the COVID season) we will have had over 7K in 13 out of the 18 seasons

That is a second generation of noticeable growth from a higher start point

Perhaps I’m repeating something already said, but terrace “Season Tickets” were not on sale in 69/70, and l am pretty sure that they weren’t in the late 70s and early 80s either, so crowds could only be enumerated directly on the number of actual match attendees. (I believe that now ST Holders are counted as present whether they are actually there or not, so in a sense the comparison is not a direct one.)

[Dutch Uncle]

This is my point exactly Gaz

First, in the 22 seasons since we regained our league place, discounting the COVID season behind closed doors, we have always averaged over 6K

In the 33 seasons before that we only once averaged over 6K, in 1975-76, and in 19 of those seasons it was less than 3K

That is a first generation of large growth

Prior to the Keepmoat opening, we had not had over 7K average since 1969-70. Since we moved (and discounting the COVID season) we will have had over 7K in 13 out of the 18 seasons

That is a second generation of noticeable growth from a higher start point

it’s also felt like our away following has grown in recent years- are there any stats on these?

Approximate figures for Rovers travelling fans (not all data available, includes some estimates)

Season   Div   Travelling Fans
2008-09   Ch   1249
2009-10   Ch   1206
2010-11   Ch   920
2011-12   Ch   715
2012-13   FL1   678
2013-14   Ch   855
2014-15   FL1   702
2015-16   FL1   646
2016-17   FL2   742
2017-18   FL1   669
2018-19   FL1   755
2019-20   FL1   526
2021-22   FL1   562
2022-23   FL2   660
2023-24   FL2   699

This season so far ca 787

(Edit: 2022-23 and 2011-12 corrected)

[IDM]

I can’t remember exactly which season, but I had a terrace ST circa 1982..

[Dutch Uncle]

This is my point exactly Gaz

First, in the 22 seasons since we regained our league place, discounting the COVID season behind closed doors, we have always averaged over 6K

In the 33 seasons before that we only once averaged over 6K, in 1975-76, and in 19 of those seasons it was less than 3K

That is a first generation of large growth

Prior to the Keepmoat opening, we had not had over 7K average since 1969-70. Since we moved (and discounting the COVID season) we will have had over 7K in 13 out of the 18 seasons

That is a second generation of noticeable growth from a higher start point

Perhaps I’m repeating something already said, but terrace “Season Tickets” were not on sale in 69/70, and l am pretty sure that they weren’t in the late 70s and early 80s either, so crowds could only be enumerated directly on the number of actual match attendees. (I believe that now ST Holders are counted as present whether they are actually there or not, so in a sense the comparison is not a direct one.)

Good point, correct, but this is all that is available

[Dagenham Rover]

Why would any club give the away side any sort of crowd "advantage" if they don't have to, especially in a game like this. We have given them what is required simple as If our club is happy to take a hit gate wise fine no problem. Great decision by the club

[Draytonian III]

I got a half season ticket for Christmas 1978 , the first game I used it for was a 2-0 win over Northampton in Feb 79, David Bradley scored for us, it was the week after we had been trashed 7-1 at Bournemouth

[ForsolongaRover]

I got a half season ticket for Christmas 1978 , the first game I used it for was a 2-0 win over Northampton in Feb 79, David Bradley scored for us, it was the week after we had been trashed 7-1 at Bournemouth

That’s really interesting and I assume it was for the terrace(s); I didn’t have much spare cash for such investment back then, but I genuinely cannot recall being aware that they were available - they certainly were marketed very strenuously!

[Draytonian III]

It was a junior one for the terraces, it was my fourth season as a supporter and I had a massive sense of pride I really felt I belonged there, still do now in my 50th season

[andysly]

That 7-1 for Bournemouth won my Dad a few quid on the old football pontoon that every pub used to have.
I never had a ST back then but I do remember it was 45p to get in, first away game at Rotherham it was only 30p.

[CantleyRed]

It was a junior one for the terraces, it was my fourth season as a supporter and I had a massive sense of pride I really felt I belonged there, still do now in my 50th season

And I definitely had a Junior Terrace Ticket around 1970, so yes, they have been around a while. There was even a Season Ticket Turnstile you went through. It was a half season ticket and it actually had all the tickets in and I remember altering the unused numbers with a pen and giving them to my mates!!

[graingrover]

I bought Rovers’ Junior Season Tickets for two young brothers when I lived in Barcelona in the late 60’s( 1968) .I wrote to the club and my address in Barcelona was Avenida Juan Sebastian Bach .
The address of course in those days would be put  right hand of the page .The Donny Free Press somehow saw that letter and the article he wrote was headlined ‘ BACH strikes the right note ! …a man called Bach bought …..

[GazLaz]

Different sources give different numbers, so these not 100% accurate, especially the older numbers
League matches only

Season     Div    Home Avg
1901-02     2   2676
1902-03     2   2618
1904-05     2   2476
1923-24    3N   6605
1924-25    3N   5881
1925-26    3N   5504
1926-27    3N   5989
1927-28    3N   7574
1928-29    3N   6733
1929-30    3N   4652
1930-31    3N   4173
1931-32    3N   3903
1932-33    3N   5262
1933-34    3N   6000
1934-35    3N   10761
1935-36     2   14122
1936-37     2   12173
1937-38    3N   13040
1938-39    3N   11587
1946-47    3N   15322
1947-48     2   22317
1948-49    3N   13873
1949-50    3N   18260
1950-51     2   22835
1951-52     2   21078
1952-53     2   15862
1953-54     2   16984
1954-55     2   12372
1955-56     2   12414
1956-57     2   12389
1957-58     2   11129
1958-59     3   6664
1959-60     4   5247
1960-61     4   4754
1961-62     4   4584
1962-63     4   6303
1963-64     4   6355
1964-65     4   8569
1965-66     4   10398
1966-67     3   7909
1967-68     4   7852
1968-69     4   10212
1969-70     3   8562
1970-71     3   4478
1971-72     4   4125
1972-73     4   2259
1973-74     4   2395
1974-75     4   2975
1975-76     4   6056
1976-77     4   4631
1977-78     4   3228
1978-79     4   3000
1979-80     4   4322
1980-81     4   5412
1981-82     3   5234
1982-83     3   3541
1983-84     4   3778
1984-85     3   4103
1985-86     3   2804
1986-87     3   2449
1987-88     3   1913
1988-89     4   2159
1989-90     4   2706
1990-91     4   2831
1991-92     4   2081
1992-93    3R   2411
1993-94    3R   2485
1994-95    3R   2590
1995-96    3R   2090
1996-97    3R   2088
1997-98    3R   1715
1998-99    FC   3380
1999-00    FC   2981
2000-01    FC   2281
2001-02    FC   2409
2002-03    FC   3540
2003-04   3R   6939
2004-05   FL1   6886
2005-06   FL1   6139
2006-07   FL1   7725
2007-08   FL1   7978
2008-09   FLCh   11964
2009-10   FLCh   10992
2010-11   FLCh   10258
2011-12   FLCh   9341
2012-13   FL1   7239
2013-14   FL1   9041
2014-15   FL1   6884
2015-16   FL1   6553
2016-17   FL2   6021
2017-18   FL1   8213
2018-19   FL1   8098
2019-20   FL1   8252
2021-22   FL1   6906
2022-23   FL2   6500
2023-24   FL2   7090

Is the 2013-14 figure correct? 9k in L1? Must have been plenty of good away followings in L1 that season.

[Dutch Uncle]

Apologies - 2013-14 season was Dickov’s season in the Championship, will correct

[normal rules]

They say actions speak louder than words. The actions of the Bradford morons when tsl saved the pen spoke volumes about the decision to limit their allocation. Had that north stand been full, with minimum segregation, I’d bet some would have got hurt. The stewards looked overwhelmed.

[Jonathan]

They had their moment inbetween the penalty being awarded and taken and hopefully they enjoyed that. The chances are they’ll still get promoted. More because of how dreadful the chasing pack is than anything they have done themselves.

[Copps is Magic]

Small minority of their fans really embarrassed themselves.

[Filo]

Small minority of their fans really embarrassed themselves.

Justifies the decision to limit them to 1500 tickets

I thought the Police were very slow to react, and the stewards were terrible

[normal rules]

Small minority of their fans really embarrassed themselves.

Justifies the decision to limit them to 1500 tickets

I thought the Police were very slow to react, and the stewards were terrible

Police are kept outside the ground as the moment they come inside, the club get charged. Because it means the stewarding has failed . And on that note, I’ve never seen as many stewards at a rovers game.

[IDM]

Small minority of their fans really embarrassed themselves.

As did some of ours, throwing pyros on the pitch and running on the pitch pyros in hand.