Gordon Brown Resigns

[bobjimwilly]

DonnyNoel wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

* And on THAT score, I'd put my great, fecund, sweaty gonads on VAT being increased to 20% within the next 12 months. Despite the Tories insisting that \"we have no plans to increase VAT\" during the campaign.

Impressive - its just been on the radio that a 3% rise in VAT is \"on the cards\"! Wonder if they read this forum!

\"Believe in better. Don't Believe in BNP, Believe in BST!\"  

[jucyberry]

Yup Mr Frost, I am executing my democratic right to express my opinion.

As you don't live around here I will make allowances for you. I just might be kinder than most on here...

I live in an area that is highly desirable (unfortunately) There is very little social housing, although after twenty plus years of selling the housing stock off, we are finally getting some new, very small estates being built in some villages.

I know one man who is a serial council house buyer, he is currently in his fourth, after buying three in his name and then his fathers, two of which were sold for a profit, one he rents out and one he and his girlfriend lives in.

Now you tell me how that is right?

And as you turn your nose up at the welfare system, I take it if you ever fall on hard times  you will be refusing any assistance?

[jucyberry]

bobjimwilly wrote:

DonnyNoel wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

* And on THAT score, I'd put my great, fecund, sweaty gonads on VAT being increased to 20% within the next 12 months. Despite the Tories insisting that \"we have no plans to increase VAT\" during the campaign.

Impressive - its just been on the radio that a 3% rise in VAT is \"on the cards\"! Wonder if they read this forum!

\"Believe in better. Don't Believe in BNP, Believe in BST!\"  

BST is my forum hero, brilliance and sharp wit, what  a man!

[BobG]

\"Bob you like to show off on here with your big words and flashy quotes. It doesn't impress me. When it comes to politics I will vote for a party I will vote for the one I think will benefit me and those close to me.\"

I would give your opinions a huge amount more credence if you would, just for once, actually put together a reasoned argument about why voting Conservative is the better option. But no. Instead we have you, once again, displaying four amazing traits in just two sentences: a desire to publicly glory in your ignorance, utter selfishness, an inability to respond with anything other than personal attack when challenged and, worst of all, a complete lack of any knowledge whatsoever about the world you inhabit.

You can take a horse to water....

Cheers

BobG

[Nudga]

I could have sworn I heard on the radio today that the new government are considering putting vat on the price of buying a house. That is one quick way of slamming us back into a recession as no one would be able to afford to buy, it's already hard enough for first time buyers.

P.S although I do watch the news every night, I still haven't got a clue of each parties policies because all they seem to do is slag each other off and tell each other to \"get real\", it's difficult to cut through the crap and learn what they are all about. And when you do actually get to glean a bit of information out of it all, you can tell it's bullshit because they only wanted the votes and they won't adhere to their \"promises\". Intellectually redundent I know, shoot me!

[BillyStubbsTears]

DonnyNoel wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

* And on THAT score, I'd put my great, fecund, sweaty gonads on VAT being increased to 20% within the next 12 months. Despite the Tories insisting that \"we have no plans to increase VAT\" during the campaign.

Impressive - its just been on the radio that a 3% rise in VAT is \"on the cards\"! Wonder if they read this forum!

Aye, go on! Blame it on me!

[BillyStubbsTears]

jucyberry wrote:

bobjimwilly wrote:

DonnyNoel wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

* And on THAT score, I'd put my great, fecund, sweaty gonads on VAT being increased to 20% within the next 12 months. Despite the Tories insisting that \"we have no plans to increase VAT\" during the campaign.

Impressive - its just been on the radio that a 3% rise in VAT is \"on the cards\"! Wonder if they read this forum!

\"Believe in better. Don't Believe in BNP, Believe in BST!\"  

BST is my forum hero, brilliance and sharp wit, what  a man!

And that's before you've seen me bum in a pair of tennis shorts. And me beer gut which kind of balances it...

[MrFrost]

BobG wrote:

\"Bob you like to show off on here with your big words and flashy quotes. It doesn't impress me. When it comes to politics I will vote for a party I will vote for the one I think will benefit me and those close to me.\"

I would give your opinions a huge amount more credence if you would, just for once, actually put together a reasoned argument about why voting Conservative is the better option. But no. Instead we have you, once again, displaying four amazing traits in just two sentences: a desire to publicly glory in your ignorance, utter selfishness, an inability to respond with anything other than personal attack when challenged and, worst of all, a complete lack of any knowledge whatsoever about the world you inhabit.

You can take a horse to water....

Cheers

BobG

if you read you would see my argument. And you calle a tosser and intelectually challenged for choosing to use my vote as I see fit. Maybe we should turn to communism and take away our democracy and freedom of speech.

[jucyberry]

I want a government who looks after every man woman and child in this country. What ever their creed or colour. I want a government who sees all it's people as important in their own right.. One who cares for those who are in need of help and nurtures those who try.
You see unless you can say you know the ins and outs of anothers life, who are any of us to judge. But then, I believe in live and let live, not all for one and everything for me.THAT is the legacy of the last Tory government. :-)

Just got home from work, lifted this from a bunch of comments in a national newspaper..............

The absurd and venemous words of some Tory protagonists on here such as James Dene of Dorking show how marginalised the right wing have become and demonstrates their snobbery, mean spiritedness and detachment from the real world. Too often is it suggested that Labour draw their votes only from \"parasites and welfare scroungers\" while the tory support comes from the nation's salt of the earth. Well lots of hard working taxpayers voted labour, people like me who have never had a state handout of any kind. People vote labour/lib dem because they are instinctively compassionate, people vote Tory because they are instinctively selfish.

Despite the Conservatives claims of social superiority and moral high ground on here Its always interesting to note that the rudeness, insults and hostile remarks stem largely from Tory supporters.
- Tom, Middlesbrough

[Jonathan]

DonnyNoel wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

* And on THAT score, I'd put my great, fecund, sweaty gonads on VAT being increased to 20% within the next 12 months. Despite the Tories insisting that \"we have no plans to increase VAT\" during the campaign.

Impressive - its just been on the radio that a 3% rise in VAT is \"on the cards\"! Wonder if they read this forum!

Indeed, and the 'tax on jobs' that the Tories opposed as such a key element of their marketing campaign, now stands exclusively as a tax on people with jobs! They weren't so keen to sell that one, while telling anyone that would listen that business leaders at the likes of Sainsbury's (who have just announced that profits have doubled) were against paying the increase in N.I. to help the sustain the recovery, but you and I that struggle to make ends meet will still have to pay it alone. Ironically the mythical 'tax on jobs' will be replaced with cuts in jobs, and the hike in VAT will hit us all.

This has been an incredibly interesting thread to read and we can all learn a thing or two from it. I must admit it's also made me realse that, at least where politics is concerned, there is almost unequivocal common ground between BST and I, that regular readers of this forum will find even more absurd than the Liberal-Conservative love in!

The whimsical lack of a social conscience expressed by some Tory sympathisers reminds me of myself in my younger days, before I grew up. Of course the welfare system has its' failings and needs tightening up, but not to recognise the crucial role of the welfare state is quite remarkable, or perhaps not when we have Tories claiming that the NHS is a \"sixty year mistake.\" I suppose as long as I am healthy I shouldn't care about the treatment of others, would seem to be a fitting attitude?

While ruling out the Tories based purely on their historical record may be a tad unfair, what more is there to go on? As BST suggests, the Cameron campaign (difficult to call it a party campaign until all the old-timers started appearing in the cabinet) was based almost solely on slogans and soundbites, with the backing of The Sun of course. If some of the Tory supporters can stand up on here and inform us of what we are to expect from the new regime (other than just trotting out 'change') then at least we may have something to hold them accountable to.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Jonathan wrote:

DonnyNoel wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

* And on THAT score, I'd put my great, fecund, sweaty gonads on VAT being increased to 20% within the next 12 months. Despite the Tories insisting that \"we have no plans to increase VAT\" during the campaign.

Impressive - its just been on the radio that a 3% rise in VAT is \"on the cards\"! Wonder if they read this forum!

Indeed, and the 'tax on jobs' that the Tories opposed as such a key element of their marketing campaign, now stands exclusively as a tax on people with jobs! They weren't so keen to sell that one, while telling anyone that would listen that business leaders at the likes of Sainsbury's (who have just announced that profits have doubled) were against paying the increase in N.I. to help the sustain the recovery, but you and I that struggle to make ends meet will still have to pay it alone. Ironically the mythical 'tax on jobs' will be replaced with cuts in jobs, and the hike in VAT will hit us all.

This has been an incredibly interesting thread to read and we can all learn a thing or two from it. I must admit it's also made me realse that, at least where politics is concerned, there is almost unequivocal common ground between BST and I, that regular readers of this forum will find even more absurd than the Liberal-Conservative love in!

The whimsical lack of a social conscience expressed by some Tory sympathisers reminds me of myself in my younger days, before I grew up. Of course the welfare system has its' failings and needs tightening up, but not to recognise the crucial role of the welfare state is quite remarkable, or perhaps not when we have Tories claiming that the NHS is a \"sixty year mistake.\" I suppose as long as I am healthy I shouldn't care about the treatment of others, would seem to be a fitting attitude?

While ruling out the Tories based purely on their historical record may be a tad unfair, what more is there to go on? As BST suggests, the Cameron campaign (difficult to call it a party campaign until all the old-timers started appearing in the cabinet) was based almost solely on slogans and soundbites, with the backing of The Sun of course. If some of the Tory supporters can stand up on here and inform us of what we are to expect from the new regime (other than just trotting out 'change') then at least we may have something to hold them accountable to.

Jon. There's nobody argues more than two people on the Left politically - no wonder we never agree on football...

Must admit, I'd not picked up on the NI volte-face. Hardly surprising mind. For all the high minded words about us all being in it together, and that this is a new way of doing politics, everything is looking very much like the old Tory Party straightaway.

1) As you say, after breaking their hearts during the campaign over the fact that Labour was going to nobble the poor worker with NI increases, immediately after the election they state that they will leave this in place but relieve their business backers of their share of the tax. They give some vague assurances that the Lib Dems' higher tax allowances for the poorest will be phased in eventually to balance this - what's the betting THAT promise vanishes over the next couple of years because \"the economic situation Labour left us doesn't allow us to do this\"?

2) After spending the whole election campaign telling us they had no intention of raising VAT, everyone now knows that VAT will go up within 12-18 months. VAT always hits the very poorest the hardest. THAT is the reason why Labour has never once raised this tax, while the Tories raised it from 8% to 15% in 1979 and 15% to 17.5% in 1991. And it's also the reason why the Tories howled against Labour's temporary reduction in VAT at the start of the recession - that move disproportinately helped the very poorest in the depth of the recession.

3) After telling us that they will have an age of New Politics, the stitch up on the Fixed Term Parliament stinks like the worst 1970s backroom deal. Why choose a random number like 55% as the vote required to bring down a Government in future? Is it because the Tories and Lib Dems MPs combined tot up to 56%? So, what this means is that no combination of votes can bring down the Govt other than the Tories and Lib Dems acting together. If the Lib Dems get shafted in the coalition, tough shit - there's nothing they can do about it and we'd be left with a Tory minority Government. AND, if the Tories and Lib Dems both sniff at some point that the polls are in their favour, they could use some world-shaking event (another 9/11, economic collapse etc) to say, \"Ah, yeah, we SAID there would be a fixed term Parliament, but in light of the current world events, we need another mandate\" and between them use their 56% of MPs to call an election. This is the most obscenely, nakedly anti-democratic move in decades, if not centuries. This isn't open, New Politics. It's a bloody anti-democratic disgrace.

4) And the best one of all. Clegg and Cameron spent the whole campaign looking at us all doe-eyed and asking us to vote for \"change\". What \"change\" apparently means is a Cabinet with 65% of its members being Oxbridge graduates and 61% being public-school educated. Change alright. Change back to what things were like under Harold Macmillan and Lord Home in the 50s and 60s.

[Jonathan]

I agree wholeheartedly on the stitch-up - one of the most undemocratic moves imagineable, and the fact that it is introduced by an un-elected government makes it beyond belief!

What strikes me most is the lack of courage in their convictions displayed by the Tories. The prospect of running with a minority government was entirely plausible given the election result. Admittedly it would have been unstable in the short term and likely resulted in another election fairly quickly - something I think the electorate voted for way ahead of what we've ended up with. If they had genuine courage in their convictions and policies then surely they could have staved off any lack of confidence in the markets and, given the backing of the right wing press and the \"immediate positive change\" they told us we'll see throughout their campaign, surely they could have gained their majority in the next election?

Watching the squirming that's currently taking place is just so cringeworthy. Gordon Brown was rounded on for muttering about a somewhat xenophobic woman in reaction to fending off her questions, but now we are expected to believe that a cobbled together blend of two parties that fought on opposite ends of the spectrum can form a 'stable government' in the national interest. I feel genuinely sympathy for the people that voted 'liberal' on issues close to their heart, how they must feel now when they see William Hague flying out to America to endorse the war on their behalf!

The smart money would be on Vince Cable to be the first memeber of the new cabinet to stand up for his own beliefs. He directly opposed the immediate spending cuts that threaten the recovery, and has been shunted out into a non-job that he wanted to abolish anyway. As probably the biggest asset in the cabinet, his departure would be a blow to the national interest - if we thought for one second that this is what the coalition has been forged to represent. It remains to be seen just how much unrest ensues after the initial honeymoon period, it is simply absurd that measures have been put in place to lock in what is effectively an un-elected experiment.

[danrover82]

MrFrost wrote:

I've also seen a friends haulage firm go bust due to the crazy hike in fuel duty in the last government. An elderly family member forced to sell her home to pay for resesential care.
A goverenment that puts assylum seekers and the work shy before decent working folk and the elderly.

quote]

My understanding is that fuel is to hike up again under this new ConDem government to £1.30 a litre? Bloody Gordon Brown strikes again    

Even though I dont agree with the imigration situation and a nation of money grabbing bar steward that we have. here are a few facts, By 2008. More people were in work than ever before, claimant unemployment had reached its lowest level for over 30 years, long-term claimant unemployment was less than a quarter of its 1997 level and the numbers claiming other welfare benefits were falling for the first time in decades. We will have more people out of work, that you and I are paying for under ConDem.

 Under the ConDem party MY family will suffer terribly. The NHS care my son depends on at 3 years of age to keep him alive wont be as good, My wife works for the NHS which is going to be tense times, my sister who is training for the NHS, looks set for a kick backwards.

Yes I voted Labour for the NHS, Schools, Pensioners energy bill discount, free buss services to over 60's (who have paid in to the country for many years) free swimming for children and pensioners, Rest bite care for those in need, sure start that my son benefitted from using, to help his development after 2 heart operations in three years. Luckily my grandma is even able to get personal care at home, as she is bedridden. I pay my taxes like the next man, spend a fortune in the car and van on fuel too, but I wouldn't begrudge anyone making use of these services. Something that ConDem will.

This is not a personal attack on you or your beliefs, but by christ it could have been alot worse over the last 13 years? As Eddie Izzard said, Are Labour perfect? NO, nor claim to be. Are all the good things down to them? No. Sure the deficit needs to be addressed, but the economy is not stable enough to yet.

Is Britain broken?....Well it wasn't, but soon could be.

[Dutch Uncle]

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

jucyberry wrote:

bobjimwilly wrote:

DonnyNoel wrote:

BillyStubbsTears wrote:

* And on THAT score, I'd put my great, fecund, sweaty gonads on VAT being increased to 20% within the next 12 months. Despite the Tories insisting that \"we have no plans to increase VAT\" during the campaign.

Impressive - its just been on the radio that a 3% rise in VAT is \"on the cards\"! Wonder if they read this forum!

\"Believe in better. Don't Believe in BNP, Believe in BST!\"  

BST is my forum hero, brilliance and sharp wit, what  a man!

And that's before you've seen me bum in a pair of tennis shorts. And me beer gut which kind of balances it...

Love the idea of voting for BST - just think of the slogans.....

Vote BST and be a hour ahead of everyone else.......

Vote BST and make the most of your daylight hours......

Vote BST if you don't want Zulu in England.......

BST is for the Alpha male.......

(The last two for those of you familiar wih Zulu, Alpha, Beta time etc)

Gets my vote every time

[RTID75]

I am getting so angry just thinking about a VAT rise, let alone when it happens (because it will). My work colleagues, whilst not telling me of their voting intentions, I am sure are a good proportion Tory voters. I tried to fight my corner, told them that VAT will rise, and listened with disdain as they insisted that the country was 'f*cked' and that recession (that they they handily forget is global) is Labour's fault.

Now it is becoming clear that what I said was true - that the thieving Tory gets will likely raise VAT, they're all pretending like they don't care even though none of us have had a pay rise for the last three financial years. The Tories are going to rape us all. I just hope all they, and all other working class people who foolishly voted the Tories in this time will smile cheerfully as they bend over to be shafted from by their own chosen establishment.

What I wouldn't give to have the skills to get out of the country right now...

[Filo]

Another example of the two faced tories and the right wing press was they constantly harped on about Gordon Brown being an un elected PM, have they forgot about John Major?

They also banged on about how they won the election even though they did n`t have a majority and now they want to insure their tenure in Downing Street by increasing the majority needed for a no confidence vote to 55%! and this is only the start, they were desperate for power at all costs!

[Filo]

And another thing, that William Haugue born and bred in an industrial area and he`s a Tory, what a fcuking tosser!


I wish I did n`t buy Haugue`s Dandylion and Burdock when I was a kid now!

[danrover82]

Not to mention that the Tory T**TS got in power by an unelected Deputy Priminister, who lost more seast than when he started the election campaign. What a Fin Joke.

[Boomstick]

RTID75 wrote:

I am getting so angry just thinking about a VAT rise, let alone when it happens (because it will). My work colleagues, whilst not telling me of their voting intentions, I am sure are a good proportion Tory voters. I tried to fight my corner, told them that VAT will rise, and listened with disdain as they insisted that the country was 'f*cked' and that recession (that they they handily forget is global) is Labour's fault.

Now it is becoming clear that what I said was true - that the thieving Tory gets will likely raise VAT, they're all pretending like they don't care even though none of us have had a pay rise for the last three financial years. The Tories are going to rape us all. I just hope all they, and all other working class people who foolishly voted the Tories in this time will smile cheerfully as they bend over to be shafted from by their own chosen establishment.

What I wouldn't give to have the skills to get out of the country right now...

The Conservatives are implementing painful things such as a possibe VAT increase because they simply NEED to sort out the budget deficit. The huge budget deficit created by Labour, by printing more and more money, creating more and more debt in a stupid attempt to keep the boom going. Its just 'kicking the can down the road'.
If you use the analogy of heroin addicts, they cant just keep shooting up larger and larger doses to remain high because they will eventually die. They need to be weened off it (depression) or even go cold turkey (crash). QE = heroin, in the case of the economy. Darlings VAT decrease wasnt free you know!! it needs to be paid for, and its up to the new government to sort it out.

Under nulabour there simply isnt the motivation for people to get educated and work hard to add production to the economy. Because its just too easy to live off benefits, why have a job when you can get paid for sitting at home doing nothing?
As for the employment figures, what good is it for the economy if a huge chunk is employed in the public sector? all these people are doing is taking their pay home to add more competition for goods and services. They arent actually producing anything. Its just like an extension of the dole queue.

Whilst im at it, i'd just like to mention how brown was quick to reap the praise during the (unsustainable) boom years. But as soon as the SHTF he was even quicker to call it a 'global recession'.

I'm really surprised how people cant see the bigger picture here, sure the Conservatives will implement hard policies, but they are simply sorting the mess created by nulab and there keynsian approach. Blame nulab for the mess.

[Boomstick]

Filo wrote:

And another thing, that William Haugue born and bred in an industrial area and he`s a Tory, what a fcuking tosser!


I wish I did n`t buy Haugue`s Dandylion and Burdock when I was a kid now!

So you dont like the 'old etonians' bla bla bla. But when a Conservative cabinet member went to wath comp you lot still dont like it!!.
He wasnt brainwashed, he thought for himself.

[redwine]

What a fantastic thread, it really is true that politics polarises views.

For once I agree with Mr Frost ( he can vote for who ever he wants, just like we can support who we wnat, Leeds Utd anybody ?

        )

sorry, I know how TWD loves them....      



My view, which is no less valid then anyones, since it's all about opinion, unless it's Mr Frost or his keyboard mate in which case it has to be gospel, is that the Tories are SCUM.

lol



The thread is too long to answer everybody, but does anyone have a god given right to be \"on the property ladder\" ?

Nope

Was David Cameron picked to be the Tory leader coz he was the acceptable face of Conservatism?

In my opinion, there is no acceptable face of Conservatism( note the capital letter)


The Tories have changed, shouldn't we forget about the eighties and give them another chance?
I don't hear too many people saying, well Hitler wasn't too bad. It was so long ago lets see what the Nazi's can do now. They deserve another shot.


The predicted hike in VAT and I've also heard a rumour that CGT will also be increased. That won't affect me as I take my annual bonus in cash rather than shares but can you imagine if this had been introduced by Gordon Brown. The Mail, Express and other tory rags would have been incandescent with rage. However not a peep.

reminds me of that song lyric.....

When you realise your paper is tory, just remember there are two sides to every story.

[Barmby Rover]

\"Under nulabour there simply isnt the motivation for people to get educated and work hard to add production to the economy. Because its just too easy to live off benefits, why have a job when you can get paid for sitting at home doing nothing?
As for the employment figures, what good is it for the economy if a huge chunk is employed in the public sector? all these people are doing is taking their pay home to add more competition for goods and services. They arent actually producing anything. Its just like an extension of the dole queue\"

How typically selfish again, the Tory attitude really shines through on the ignorant in this thread. Just a small challenge for you Boomstick, try living on £64 per week when you have to pay for your electricity, gas, food, transport plus anything that might break down in your house for a couple of months. It's just too easy living off benefits is a phrase that so easily trips off the tongue for those who are incapable of understanding just how difficult it is for folks who have nothing,forget your computer to start with mate, you can't afford the connection charges to the internet for too long! Fine, have no public sector at all, no police force, no fire service, no NHS except for those rich enough to pay for the WHOLE of their treatments. No problem until you get ill mate. Mind you the weak can just go off and die quietly, oops, somebody has to bury you....No kids I presume? I will come and educate them for you, twenty+ years experience and a good teacher, mind you I have to pay for all this as well, let's say I charge you £80 per hour, the public sector is there for a reason, we pay for them as a COLECTIVE need, that means we all pay something so that all of us enjoy the benefits. Dreadful thought that you might actually help someone else though isn't it?

As I said earlier, just wait until you need help, you will discover that we do need society, the trouble is that a lot of Thatchers generation never grew up being told they must help others, the story has been for the last thirty years, \"tread on your neighbour, then you can have all of their stuff as well\", wasted on you I would imagine,but true all the same. I suppose I would say that though wouldn't I? I just educated several thousand pupils over my time as a teacher, I contributed nothing to society, just another form of sponging off the state...

[Nudga]

Instead of raising taxes and vat, why don't they make it easier for people to start spending their money (and I don't mean with credit cards) and get the economy moving again. They should be putting loads of money into housing projects and renewable energy thus creating jobs for the 2.5mil on the dole que. Start exporting that is BRITISH made and stop importing so much (steel,gas, fabrics)

I've just done a job in a council tenants property, the carpets were worse than the ones at my work place, the house was a complete shit hole. BUT, the old lass had a massive 42\" lcd t.v, a laptop, an iphone,xbox, fags for every 5 mins, a trip tu't shops for some booze (at 1030 in the morning), fully decked out back garden with hot tub and a huge pond with roughly 25 koi carp in it. Some'at wrong thee'er I think.

Seems to me like it's always the working class that HAS to pull the classes either side of us out of the shit.

[Barmby Rover]

I quite agree Nudga, I ended up voting Green because instead of screaming about cutting everything to pay off debts in two years or whatever they were talking about what is needed for us a society.

So let's get a lot of people off the dole, have things manufactured here and cut our energy demands. Give away double glazing to every property that doesn't have it in this country. It increases the number of people required to fit them which removes building workers from the dole and they start paying taxes again, others are employed in the manufacture of the windows, we cut the poor's debt to the energy companies and finally and most important it would save so much energy that we could afford to do without at least one extra (and with the way they are going,Nuclear) power station. Win,win,win,win. However it involves spending public money. The fact that you would get it back with taxes etc makes no odds to the free market economists so it will never be done, to hell in a handcart etc.

[Filo]

Barmby Rover wrote:

Just a small challenge for you Boomstick, try living on £64 per week when you have to pay for your electricity, gas, food, transport plus anything that might break down in your house for a couple of months. It's just too easy living off benefits is a phrase that so easily trips off the tongue for those who are incapable of understanding just how difficult it is for folks who have nothing

Well said Barmby Rover!, I tried it for a month last October, I`m 46 years old and worked at the same factory for 23 years until last year, previous to that I worked in a shipyard from leaving school, all those years paying into the system and all I could get was £64 a week, I have a mortgage, a wife, a son who`s at college because he can`t get a job and he gets £20 a week EMA and a Daughter who has only got a part time job, I`m supposed to run a house on £64 a week! f**k me our shopping bill is around £95 a week. And they say it`s easy living off benefits, you narrow minded tories are having a laugh!

[Barmby Rover]

Same here Filo last October redundant until February, no fun and it has left me with debts it will take me until at least the end of this year to climb out of. No pub, Rovers,going out at all, just work, eat cheaply and sleep for me for months and months ahead. I now work with the unemployed getting them back into jobs, and i can see how many are playing the system and how many are desperate to work, the latter are very much in the majority, good luck in your search mate.

[Nudga]

Barmby Rover wrote:

I quite agree Nudga, I ended up voting Green because instead of screaming about cutting everything to pay off debts in two years or whatever they were talking about what is needed for us a society.

So let's get a lot of people off the dole, have things manufactured here and cut our energy demands. Give away double glazing to every property that doesn't have it in this country. It increases the number of people required to fit them which removes building workers from the dole and they start paying taxes again, others are employed in the manufacture of the windows, we cut the poor's debt to the energy companies and finally and most important it would save so much energy that we could afford to do without at least one extra (and with the way they are going,Nuclear) power station. Win,win,win,win. However it involves spending public money. The fact that you would get it back with taxes etc makes no odds to the free market economists so it will never be done, to hell in a handcart etc.

I voted Green also as I loved their positive approach to getting this country off it's knees by creating a robust renewable energy industry and creating jobs and self sustainability. It should and could be the biggest industry in this country.
They also wanted to focus on the railways by electrifying branch lines instaed of just concentrating on the east/west coast main lines such as an electrified line from Hull to Liverpool for the exportation of goods between Ireland-England-Mainland Europe. They also want to make it more conveniant and affordable for people to stop using their cars and get on the trains.

[Filo]

Barmby Rover wrote:

Same here Filo last October redundant until February, no fun and it has left me with debts it will take me until at least the end of this year to climb out of. No pub, Rovers,going out at all, just work, eat cheaply and sleep for me for months and months ahead. I now work with the unemployed getting them back into jobs, and i can see how many are playing the system and how many are desperate to work, the latter are very much in the majority, good luck in your search mate.

I`m sorted mate £5.85 an hour but it keeps the Wolves from the door, it`s a big drop mind, when your used to £13 an hour

[Nudga]

Filo wrote:

Barmby Rover wrote:

Same here Filo last October redundant until February, no fun and it has left me with debts it will take me until at least the end of this year to climb out of. No pub, Rovers,going out at all, just work, eat cheaply and sleep for me for months and months ahead. I now work with the unemployed getting them back into jobs, and i can see how many are playing the system and how many are desperate to work, the latter are very much in the majority, good luck in your search mate.

I`m sorted mate £5.85 an hour but it keeps the Wolves from the door, it`s a big drop mind, when your used to £13 an hour

You're better off going self employed and playing the system that way, you'd still be paying your taxes and NI but a little bit more would be in your back pocket.

[Filo]

Nudga wrote:

Filo wrote:

Barmby Rover wrote:

Same here Filo last October redundant until February, no fun and it has left me with debts it will take me until at least the end of this year to climb out of. No pub, Rovers,going out at all, just work, eat cheaply and sleep for me for months and months ahead. I now work with the unemployed getting them back into jobs, and i can see how many are playing the system and how many are desperate to work, the latter are very much in the majority, good luck in your search mate.

I`m sorted mate £5.85 an hour but it keeps the Wolves from the door, it`s a big drop mind, when your used to £13 an hour

You're better off going self employed and playing the system that way, you'd still be paying your taxes and NI but a little bit more would be in your back pocket.

No way, MrFrost and Thinwhiteduke would have me carted off to the tower