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Quote from: since-1969 on June 11, 2021, 01:17:48 pmInteresting! Complete fabrication.
Quote from: DRNaith on June 11, 2021, 09:08:41 amQuote from: since-1969 on June 11, 2021, 08:15:13 amQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 10:28:28 pmQuote from: Jenny on June 10, 2021, 08:32:48 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:46:27 pmQuote from: GazLaz on June 10, 2021, 02:33:44 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:26:12 pmThe one thing that does bother me is those ST holders who are now asking for a full refund and disregarding the iFollow service they enjoyed last season. That's poor form at a time when the club needs our help.Surely they get a refund minus £10 per game for the home iFollow games they watched. You would think so, but its not happening.Who's fault is that though? Surely the club have access to who watched the ifollow games and can adjust refunds accordingly? At the start of the season people were using individual codes to access and then their accounts in the latter parts. The club must have some kind of records?I feel like making people reach out for refunds is a bit like emotional blackmail Well no, that's not right.iFollow is an EFL product and the data is held by the EFL.The data is accessible by the club but not in a format that would help them deliver the solution you mention. The data isn't broken down match by match.And iFollow wasn't built or designed to do what it did last season. It was adapted at rapid speed to provide a solution that would keep season ticket holders happy so they wouldn't be demanding refunds. If they hadn't have done that then just about every EFL club would have gone out of business within a few months. Unlike other business's football carried on, had to pay players and yet had no match day income other than the money received for season tickets. Its certainly not intended to be blackmail, but a lot of thought and effort went into giving money back to ST holders but yet enabling the club to carry on and survive. Other clubs at our level have done nothing of the sort. Though the plight of football through this crisis was there to see ….but not ONE club went to the wall so something was done to prevent this . Fans rallied , players took a wage cut ( temporary) and EFL juggled it’s priorities to help. But NO mention of the millionaires who own their clubs digging deep . I do not begrudge owners from stating their views and putting the facts out there , but to seek only to ask supporters to take the brunt when many of them have had greatly reduced finances or lost their jobs is poor judgment on the these clubs , particularly when they turned and walked away from wage capping and budget prudence measure being mandatory. WHY because it would have removed their advantage of their status of higher earning from the large crowds that clubs like Sunderland , Sheffield Wednesday and Portsmouth etc all seeking not to have a levelled up financial playing field . So I do think refunds should have been given without prejudice and left to the individual to decide without the obvious bias written into the statements given out by the club.. this should not be a debate carried out on here but a recognition that things are starting from a lower expectations due to the current situation. Our owners dig deep every season. Why do you feel they should give even more millions? I don't see anyone with your bank statement deciding how much you should invest into this part of your life.Seriously, be grateful for the ownership we have, not the ownership you wish we had that would be bankrupt in two seasons if they invested as you want them to. The are the legacy holders for DRFC and by that if they feel unable to continue then they should sell . I DO appreciate all that they do , but it’s their choice and if it went bump then so be it, that’s football but NO one has gone out of business have they , and they will not walk away from this whilst ever they can sell it at some point . They run the club as cheaply as they can and that includes using every season tickets holders refunds to do it ..FACT !!
Quote from: since-1969 on June 11, 2021, 08:15:13 amQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 10:28:28 pmQuote from: Jenny on June 10, 2021, 08:32:48 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:46:27 pmQuote from: GazLaz on June 10, 2021, 02:33:44 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:26:12 pmThe one thing that does bother me is those ST holders who are now asking for a full refund and disregarding the iFollow service they enjoyed last season. That's poor form at a time when the club needs our help.Surely they get a refund minus £10 per game for the home iFollow games they watched. You would think so, but its not happening.Who's fault is that though? Surely the club have access to who watched the ifollow games and can adjust refunds accordingly? At the start of the season people were using individual codes to access and then their accounts in the latter parts. The club must have some kind of records?I feel like making people reach out for refunds is a bit like emotional blackmail Well no, that's not right.iFollow is an EFL product and the data is held by the EFL.The data is accessible by the club but not in a format that would help them deliver the solution you mention. The data isn't broken down match by match.And iFollow wasn't built or designed to do what it did last season. It was adapted at rapid speed to provide a solution that would keep season ticket holders happy so they wouldn't be demanding refunds. If they hadn't have done that then just about every EFL club would have gone out of business within a few months. Unlike other business's football carried on, had to pay players and yet had no match day income other than the money received for season tickets. Its certainly not intended to be blackmail, but a lot of thought and effort went into giving money back to ST holders but yet enabling the club to carry on and survive. Other clubs at our level have done nothing of the sort. Though the plight of football through this crisis was there to see ….but not ONE club went to the wall so something was done to prevent this . Fans rallied , players took a wage cut ( temporary) and EFL juggled it’s priorities to help. But NO mention of the millionaires who own their clubs digging deep . I do not begrudge owners from stating their views and putting the facts out there , but to seek only to ask supporters to take the brunt when many of them have had greatly reduced finances or lost their jobs is poor judgment on the these clubs , particularly when they turned and walked away from wage capping and budget prudence measure being mandatory. WHY because it would have removed their advantage of their status of higher earning from the large crowds that clubs like Sunderland , Sheffield Wednesday and Portsmouth etc all seeking not to have a levelled up financial playing field . So I do think refunds should have been given without prejudice and left to the individual to decide without the obvious bias written into the statements given out by the club.. this should not be a debate carried out on here but a recognition that things are starting from a lower expectations due to the current situation. Our owners dig deep every season. Why do you feel they should give even more millions? I don't see anyone with your bank statement deciding how much you should invest into this part of your life.Seriously, be grateful for the ownership we have, not the ownership you wish we had that would be bankrupt in two seasons if they invested as you want them to.
Quote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 10:28:28 pmQuote from: Jenny on June 10, 2021, 08:32:48 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:46:27 pmQuote from: GazLaz on June 10, 2021, 02:33:44 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:26:12 pmThe one thing that does bother me is those ST holders who are now asking for a full refund and disregarding the iFollow service they enjoyed last season. That's poor form at a time when the club needs our help.Surely they get a refund minus £10 per game for the home iFollow games they watched. You would think so, but its not happening.Who's fault is that though? Surely the club have access to who watched the ifollow games and can adjust refunds accordingly? At the start of the season people were using individual codes to access and then their accounts in the latter parts. The club must have some kind of records?I feel like making people reach out for refunds is a bit like emotional blackmail Well no, that's not right.iFollow is an EFL product and the data is held by the EFL.The data is accessible by the club but not in a format that would help them deliver the solution you mention. The data isn't broken down match by match.And iFollow wasn't built or designed to do what it did last season. It was adapted at rapid speed to provide a solution that would keep season ticket holders happy so they wouldn't be demanding refunds. If they hadn't have done that then just about every EFL club would have gone out of business within a few months. Unlike other business's football carried on, had to pay players and yet had no match day income other than the money received for season tickets. Its certainly not intended to be blackmail, but a lot of thought and effort went into giving money back to ST holders but yet enabling the club to carry on and survive. Other clubs at our level have done nothing of the sort. Though the plight of football through this crisis was there to see ….but not ONE club went to the wall so something was done to prevent this . Fans rallied , players took a wage cut ( temporary) and EFL juggled it’s priorities to help. But NO mention of the millionaires who own their clubs digging deep . I do not begrudge owners from stating their views and putting the facts out there , but to seek only to ask supporters to take the brunt when many of them have had greatly reduced finances or lost their jobs is poor judgment on the these clubs , particularly when they turned and walked away from wage capping and budget prudence measure being mandatory. WHY because it would have removed their advantage of their status of higher earning from the large crowds that clubs like Sunderland , Sheffield Wednesday and Portsmouth etc all seeking not to have a levelled up financial playing field . So I do think refunds should have been given without prejudice and left to the individual to decide without the obvious bias written into the statements given out by the club.. this should not be a debate carried out on here but a recognition that things are starting from a lower expectations due to the current situation.
Quote from: Jenny on June 10, 2021, 08:32:48 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:46:27 pmQuote from: GazLaz on June 10, 2021, 02:33:44 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:26:12 pmThe one thing that does bother me is those ST holders who are now asking for a full refund and disregarding the iFollow service they enjoyed last season. That's poor form at a time when the club needs our help.Surely they get a refund minus £10 per game for the home iFollow games they watched. You would think so, but its not happening.Who's fault is that though? Surely the club have access to who watched the ifollow games and can adjust refunds accordingly? At the start of the season people were using individual codes to access and then their accounts in the latter parts. The club must have some kind of records?I feel like making people reach out for refunds is a bit like emotional blackmail Well no, that's not right.iFollow is an EFL product and the data is held by the EFL.The data is accessible by the club but not in a format that would help them deliver the solution you mention. The data isn't broken down match by match.And iFollow wasn't built or designed to do what it did last season. It was adapted at rapid speed to provide a solution that would keep season ticket holders happy so they wouldn't be demanding refunds. If they hadn't have done that then just about every EFL club would have gone out of business within a few months. Unlike other business's football carried on, had to pay players and yet had no match day income other than the money received for season tickets. Its certainly not intended to be blackmail, but a lot of thought and effort went into giving money back to ST holders but yet enabling the club to carry on and survive. Other clubs at our level have done nothing of the sort.
Quote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:46:27 pmQuote from: GazLaz on June 10, 2021, 02:33:44 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:26:12 pmThe one thing that does bother me is those ST holders who are now asking for a full refund and disregarding the iFollow service they enjoyed last season. That's poor form at a time when the club needs our help.Surely they get a refund minus £10 per game for the home iFollow games they watched. You would think so, but its not happening.Who's fault is that though? Surely the club have access to who watched the ifollow games and can adjust refunds accordingly? At the start of the season people were using individual codes to access and then their accounts in the latter parts. The club must have some kind of records?I feel like making people reach out for refunds is a bit like emotional blackmail
Quote from: GazLaz on June 10, 2021, 02:33:44 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:26:12 pmThe one thing that does bother me is those ST holders who are now asking for a full refund and disregarding the iFollow service they enjoyed last season. That's poor form at a time when the club needs our help.Surely they get a refund minus £10 per game for the home iFollow games they watched. You would think so, but its not happening.
Quote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:26:12 pmThe one thing that does bother me is those ST holders who are now asking for a full refund and disregarding the iFollow service they enjoyed last season. That's poor form at a time when the club needs our help.Surely they get a refund minus £10 per game for the home iFollow games they watched.
The one thing that does bother me is those ST holders who are now asking for a full refund and disregarding the iFollow service they enjoyed last season. That's poor form at a time when the club needs our help.
Quote from: since-1969 on June 11, 2021, 12:49:56 pmQuote from: DRNaith on June 11, 2021, 09:08:41 amQuote from: since-1969 on June 11, 2021, 08:15:13 amQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 10:28:28 pmQuote from: Jenny on June 10, 2021, 08:32:48 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:46:27 pmQuote from: GazLaz on June 10, 2021, 02:33:44 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:26:12 pmThe one thing that does bother me is those ST holders who are now asking for a full refund and disregarding the iFollow service they enjoyed last season. That's poor form at a time when the club needs our help.Surely they get a refund minus £10 per game for the home iFollow games they watched. You would think so, but its not happening.Who's fault is that though? Surely the club have access to who watched the ifollow games and can adjust refunds accordingly? At the start of the season people were using individual codes to access and then their accounts in the latter parts. The club must have some kind of records?I feel like making people reach out for refunds is a bit like emotional blackmail Well no, that's not right.iFollow is an EFL product and the data is held by the EFL.The data is accessible by the club but not in a format that would help them deliver the solution you mention. The data isn't broken down match by match.And iFollow wasn't built or designed to do what it did last season. It was adapted at rapid speed to provide a solution that would keep season ticket holders happy so they wouldn't be demanding refunds. If they hadn't have done that then just about every EFL club would have gone out of business within a few months. Unlike other business's football carried on, had to pay players and yet had no match day income other than the money received for season tickets. Its certainly not intended to be blackmail, but a lot of thought and effort went into giving money back to ST holders but yet enabling the club to carry on and survive. Other clubs at our level have done nothing of the sort. Though the plight of football through this crisis was there to see ….but not ONE club went to the wall so something was done to prevent this . Fans rallied , players took a wage cut ( temporary) and EFL juggled it’s priorities to help. But NO mention of the millionaires who own their clubs digging deep . I do not begrudge owners from stating their views and putting the facts out there , but to seek only to ask supporters to take the brunt when many of them have had greatly reduced finances or lost their jobs is poor judgment on the these clubs , particularly when they turned and walked away from wage capping and budget prudence measure being mandatory. WHY because it would have removed their advantage of their status of higher earning from the large crowds that clubs like Sunderland , Sheffield Wednesday and Portsmouth etc all seeking not to have a levelled up financial playing field . So I do think refunds should have been given without prejudice and left to the individual to decide without the obvious bias written into the statements given out by the club.. this should not be a debate carried out on here but a recognition that things are starting from a lower expectations due to the current situation. Our owners dig deep every season. Why do you feel they should give even more millions? I don't see anyone with your bank statement deciding how much you should invest into this part of your life.Seriously, be grateful for the ownership we have, not the ownership you wish we had that would be bankrupt in two seasons if they invested as you want them to. The are the legacy holders for DRFC and by that if they feel unable to continue then they should sell . I DO appreciate all that they do , but it’s their choice and if it went bump then so be it, that’s football but NO one has gone out of business have they , and they will not walk away from this whilst ever they can sell it at some point . They run the club as cheaply as they can and that includes using every season tickets holders refunds to do it ..FACT !!Can't believe I'm even responding buta) run the club as cheap as they can? Er no, they could easily put in nothing.b) do you really think they could ever sell DRFC/Club Doncaster for a profit against all they've put in?c) you can't sell anything without a buyer. Are they turning bids down from Russian oligarchs weekly that we're not aware of?
DonnyNoel It’s my view and I don’t expect others to agree , yet there are those who feel that we’re not ambitious enough , when a club like Blackpool who got their owner monkeys of their backs to be in a position to attract our players and progress in to the Championship all under COVID-19 . Where we just threw our well positioned chance away with a serious of bad decisions and even worse excuses !! Its 1 step forward 3 steps backwards .
Quote from: DonnyNoel on June 11, 2021, 02:07:42 pmQuote from: since-1969 on June 11, 2021, 12:49:56 pmQuote from: DRNaith on June 11, 2021, 09:08:41 amQuote from: since-1969 on June 11, 2021, 08:15:13 amQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 10:28:28 pmQuote from: Jenny on June 10, 2021, 08:32:48 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:46:27 pmQuote from: GazLaz on June 10, 2021, 02:33:44 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 10, 2021, 02:26:12 pmThe one thing that does bother me is those ST holders who are now asking for a full refund and disregarding the iFollow service they enjoyed last season. That's poor form at a time when the club needs our help.Surely they get a refund minus £10 per game for the home iFollow games they watched. You would think so, but its not happening.Who's fault is that though? Surely the club have access to who watched the ifollow games and can adjust refunds accordingly? At the start of the season people were using individual codes to access and then their accounts in the latter parts. The club must have some kind of records?I feel like making people reach out for refunds is a bit like emotional blackmail Well no, that's not right.iFollow is an EFL product and the data is held by the EFL.The data is accessible by the club but not in a format that would help them deliver the solution you mention. The data isn't broken down match by match.And iFollow wasn't built or designed to do what it did last season. It was adapted at rapid speed to provide a solution that would keep season ticket holders happy so they wouldn't be demanding refunds. If they hadn't have done that then just about every EFL club would have gone out of business within a few months. Unlike other business's football carried on, had to pay players and yet had no match day income other than the money received for season tickets. Its certainly not intended to be blackmail, but a lot of thought and effort went into giving money back to ST holders but yet enabling the club to carry on and survive. Other clubs at our level have done nothing of the sort. Though the plight of football through this crisis was there to see ….but not ONE club went to the wall so something was done to prevent this . Fans rallied , players took a wage cut ( temporary) and EFL juggled it’s priorities to help. But NO mention of the millionaires who own their clubs digging deep . I do not begrudge owners from stating their views and putting the facts out there , but to seek only to ask supporters to take the brunt when many of them have had greatly reduced finances or lost their jobs is poor judgment on the these clubs , particularly when they turned and walked away from wage capping and budget prudence measure being mandatory. WHY because it would have removed their advantage of their status of higher earning from the large crowds that clubs like Sunderland , Sheffield Wednesday and Portsmouth etc all seeking not to have a levelled up financial playing field . So I do think refunds should have been given without prejudice and left to the individual to decide without the obvious bias written into the statements given out by the club.. this should not be a debate carried out on here but a recognition that things are starting from a lower expectations due to the current situation. Our owners dig deep every season. Why do you feel they should give even more millions? I don't see anyone with your bank statement deciding how much you should invest into this part of your life.Seriously, be grateful for the ownership we have, not the ownership you wish we had that would be bankrupt in two seasons if they invested as you want them to. The are the legacy holders for DRFC and by that if they feel unable to continue then they should sell . I DO appreciate all that they do , but it’s their choice and if it went bump then so be it, that’s football but NO one has gone out of business have they , and they will not walk away from this whilst ever they can sell it at some point . They run the club as cheaply as they can and that includes using every season tickets holders refunds to do it ..FACT !!Can't believe I'm even responding buta) run the club as cheap as they can? Er no, they could easily put in nothing.b) do you really think they could ever sell DRFC/Club Doncaster for a profit against all they've put in?c) you can't sell anything without a buyer. Are they turning bids down from Russian oligarchs weekly that we're not aware of?Equally you are not likely to sell anything if you don't let people know it is for sale.
https://www.doncasterroversfc.co.uk/news/2021/june/introducing-the-experience-club/Well our club are clearly keeping the goodies coming. To me it’s another superb move. Read & enjoy.
Where has the assumption come from that Mr Bramall want to sell...He alone puts in a minimum of 1 million pounds a year - in what life are you living that that is not a significant yearly input/ personal loss, and have the ability to request/demand more. I look forward to your take over bid, and our throwing money around like it is water.
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Ive paid £299 for the past three seasons in cat B. This seasons is showing a price of £329. How is this going to save me £40 on what I’ve previously paid. Is there no early bird pricing?Genuine questions!
..... Is there no early bird pricing?Genuine questions!
Quote from: knockers on June 11, 2021, 10:42:09 pmIve paid £299 for the past three seasons in cat B. This seasons is showing a price of £329. How is this going to save me £40 on what I’ve previously paid. Is there no early bird pricing?Genuine questions! Your asking the wrong folks … this lot believe that the CEO and Board walk on water and their money is sacred and shouldn’t be parted with for the likes of you or me !!
Quote from: since-1969 on June 11, 2021, 10:58:39 pmQuote from: knockers on June 11, 2021, 10:42:09 pmIve paid £299 for the past three seasons in cat B. This seasons is showing a price of £329. How is this going to save me £40 on what I’ve previously paid. Is there no early bird pricing?Genuine questions! Your asking the wrong folks … this lot believe that the CEO and Board walk on water and their money is sacred and shouldn’t be parted with for the likes of you or me !! Well, the millions they put in year after year shouldn’t be parted with for the likes of reality deniers like you, Mr 69.
Quote from: knockers on June 11, 2021, 10:42:09 pmIve paid £299 for the past three seasons in cat B. This seasons is showing a price of £329. How is this going to save me £40 on what I’ve previously paid. Is there no early bird pricing?Genuine questions!They haven't said they're going to save you money on what you previously paid, they've said they're going to give you half of this season's ticket price back by way of discounts over the next 5 years, so the listed price of £329 will be discounted accordingly. The image of the pricing structure on the official website has a thing next to it that says "Discount to be subtracted from these prices based on price paid last year."Not sure how that correlates with you paying £299 for CAT B last year though as everything I've seen says CAT B was 329 last year early bird and 359 after the early bird.
Cool, so if you paid 314 last season you'll get 40 quid a season off the listed price for the next 5 seasons.
Quote from: knockers on June 11, 2021, 10:42:09 pmIve paid £299 for the past three seasons in cat B. This seasons is showing a price of £329. How is this going to save me £40 on what I’ve previously paid. Is there no early bird pricing?Genuine questions!really, I've paid 299 for the past so many seasons, and it's been cat C?
To try and clarifyThe discount is based on what you paid last season and is intended to give you at least 50% of what you paid back in savings over 5 years.So for example if you paid £329 you're purchase was over £300 so you will get a £40 discount per year for the next 5 years.Value £200We've then tried to add value to that with The Experience Club (value £120)and of course there was ifollow access (value £230)So based on the discounts offered £200 + £120 (The Experience Club) + £230 (iFollow access) that's a potential value of discounts and other products of £550 v a season ticket that cost £329.