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Quote from: Bentley Bullet on April 04, 2019, 09:15:34 pmI bet the other 5 think he's a real asset!We all know who the leader is though BB; the one whose every word they hang on to.
I bet the other 5 think he's a real asset!
Quote from: scawsby steve on April 04, 2019, 09:41:55 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 04, 2019, 09:15:34 pmI bet the other 5 think he's a real asset!We all know who the leader is though BB; the one whose every word they hang on to. 6,063,705 signatures
The 'left behind'''Matthew Goodwin and Rob Ford coined the term 'The Left Behind' to refer to 'older, white, socially conservative voters in more economically marginal neighbourhoods'.[28] Analysing data the day after the Referendum, Ford concluded that 'Such voters had turned against a political class they saw as dominated by socially liberal university graduates with values fundamentally opposed to theirs, on identity, Europe – and particularly immigration.' This was described in as "if you've got money, you vote in... if you haven't got money, you vote out".[29] In looser terms, these groups' wider dissatisfaction with the major political parties also had a significant impact on the vote – with a particular focus placed on Labour's decline in support in the working class heartlands where it saw a significant number of votes lost to UKIP and the Conservatives in 2015.[30]''https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_the_vote_in_favour_of_Brexit
Quote from: SydneyRover on April 04, 2019, 10:05:02 pmQuote from: scawsby steve on April 04, 2019, 09:41:55 pmQuote from: Bentley Bullet on April 04, 2019, 09:15:34 pmI bet the other 5 think he's a real asset!We all know who the leader is though BB; the one whose every word they hang on to. 6,063,705 signatures I wonder how many people asked to sign told them to f**k off?
Aaaaaaannnnndddddd, I wonder how many have told them to f**k off?
Sydney. I fully understand your policy of posting selected links in your attempt to convince others that they are wrong, but I can guarantee as a fact, not just an opinion that it is you that's wrong this time. I didn't vote to leave, I voted to remain. The fact that I believe in democracy and accept a democratic vote, whereas you obviously don't, is the main gist of why I think your opinions are fundamentally flawed. Did you see Question Time tonight?
Personally I think a fair few people voted leave because they see the amount of money going to the EU and think it can be used on underfunded services. The services which have all been cut due to austerity, so there's no reason why they will be forced to use that money anyway. My own dad shares this crap on Facebook saying let's stop giving the money to the EU and spend it on our own services. You're taking away money from something that wants to put money in to areas like Doncaster and give it to something that brought in austerity that's led to food banks.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on April 05, 2019, 07:55:18 amPersonally I think a fair few people voted leave because they see the amount of money going to the EU and think it can be used on underfunded services. The services which have all been cut due to austerity, so there's no reason why they will be forced to use that money anyway. My own dad shares this crap on Facebook saying let's stop giving the money to the EU and spend it on our own services. You're taking away money from something that wants to put money in to areas like Doncaster and give it to something that brought in austerity that's led to food banks.Yet again two different issues being linked. A point for many is that the choices should be made by the UK government.Where I do agree with your point is whether the government of any party makes the right choices with that funds or would. Possibly not, but at least that is something as UK voters we could change.On the earlier point of a confirmatory vote, not keen on that but it may well not actually get through parliament I reckon.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 08:56:33 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 08:13:28 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 07:37:42 pmAnother expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801Ah he sticks his oar in to tell us what we already know. A no deal is a high possibility, and it won't be easy. Thanks Mark You complain when people use blunt language. Now you're complaining about Carney using very diplomatic language. He has to tread a very careful path to avoid appearing overtly politically partisan. So if he is saying this publicly, you can imagine what he considers to be the dangers associated with No Deal, or what he is saying in private.If he says in public that claims that no deal could be easily managed are absolute nonsense, you can interpret that as him diplomatically saying it would be an utter f**king catastrophe. Or you could ignore it and say that we survived The Blitz, The Plague and The Ice Ages, so we'll survive No Deal.Oh aye. And you say he's sticking his oar in. This is the professional whose job it is to make sure our economy is protected against the worst that events can throw at it. And you think him commenting on the effect of Brexit is him sticking his oar in. Serious question. Is there any possible contribution from anyone that would make you sit back and consider that you might be wrong on the seriousness of the consequences of No Deal? And while we're at it, in your rush to suggest we meet, you didn't answer my other serious question last night, about how much you personally would be prepared to lose in order to take back control. That wasn't a bullying question or a trick or anything like that. It was genuine interest. Funny how he says the square mile will not be affected at all, funny how you neglect to mention that. As for what I'm prepared to lose, or more accurately not gain. I'd prefer to wait and see, but it's an irrelevant question, I didn't vote leave for economic reasons, and economic reasons WILL NOT change my mind.That offer to meet still stands, if you fancy crawling out from behind your keyboard.
Quote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 08:13:28 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 07:37:42 pmAnother expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801Ah he sticks his oar in to tell us what we already know. A no deal is a high possibility, and it won't be easy. Thanks Mark You complain when people use blunt language. Now you're complaining about Carney using very diplomatic language. He has to tread a very careful path to avoid appearing overtly politically partisan. So if he is saying this publicly, you can imagine what he considers to be the dangers associated with No Deal, or what he is saying in private.If he says in public that claims that no deal could be easily managed are absolute nonsense, you can interpret that as him diplomatically saying it would be an utter f**king catastrophe. Or you could ignore it and say that we survived The Blitz, The Plague and The Ice Ages, so we'll survive No Deal.Oh aye. And you say he's sticking his oar in. This is the professional whose job it is to make sure our economy is protected against the worst that events can throw at it. And you think him commenting on the effect of Brexit is him sticking his oar in. Serious question. Is there any possible contribution from anyone that would make you sit back and consider that you might be wrong on the seriousness of the consequences of No Deal? And while we're at it, in your rush to suggest we meet, you didn't answer my other serious question last night, about how much you personally would be prepared to lose in order to take back control. That wasn't a bullying question or a trick or anything like that. It was genuine interest.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 07:37:42 pmAnother expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801Ah he sticks his oar in to tell us what we already know. A no deal is a high possibility, and it won't be easy. Thanks Mark
Another expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on April 05, 2019, 08:31:40 amQuote from: DonnyOsmond on April 05, 2019, 07:55:18 amPersonally I think a fair few people voted leave because they see the amount of money going to the EU and think it can be used on underfunded services. The services which have all been cut due to austerity, so there's no reason why they will be forced to use that money anyway. My own dad shares this crap on Facebook saying let's stop giving the money to the EU and spend it on our own services. You're taking away money from something that wants to put money in to areas like Doncaster and give it to something that brought in austerity that's led to food banks.Yet again two different issues being linked. A point for many is that the choices should be made by the UK government.Where I do agree with your point is whether the government of any party makes the right choices with that funds or would. Possibly not, but at least that is something as UK voters we could change.On the earlier point of a confirmatory vote, not keen on that but it may well not actually get through parliament I reckon.That point about Govt making the right choices is key BFYP.Govts make choices for political reasons. And the established fact is that twice under Tory Govts (once in the 90s, and right now) South Yorkshire has slipped into the list of the poorest regions in the EU. Directly as the result of those political choices. The EU Structural Fund is very important here, precisely because it is NOT decided politically. Regions AUTOMATICALLY get funding when their economy dips below a certain level, in order to get them firing again. It's not about politicians deciding that the money would be better spent in London than Donny.I hear your comment about it being better if the decisions were made at home. I hear it a lot. It is a very idealistic one. And the record shows that, when politicians make decisions at home for political reasons, the outcomes are often grossly unfair. The EU Structural Fund was set up precisely to counter that.By leaving the EU, South Yorkshire is going to lose €3.3bn of EU Structural Fund investment over the next 7 years. We've taken back control, great. But does anyone think our Tory Govt is going to find even a tenth of that amount of money to give to SY?
Quote from: Boomstick on April 04, 2019, 09:08:04 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 08:56:33 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 08:13:28 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 07:37:42 pmAnother expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801Ah he sticks his oar in to tell us what we already know. A no deal is a high possibility, and it won't be easy. Thanks Mark You complain when people use blunt language. Now you're complaining about Carney using very diplomatic language. He has to tread a very careful path to avoid appearing overtly politically partisan. So if he is saying this publicly, you can imagine what he considers to be the dangers associated with No Deal, or what he is saying in private.If he says in public that claims that no deal could be easily managed are absolute nonsense, you can interpret that as him diplomatically saying it would be an utter f**king catastrophe. Or you could ignore it and say that we survived The Blitz, The Plague and The Ice Ages, so we'll survive No Deal.Oh aye. And you say he's sticking his oar in. This is the professional whose job it is to make sure our economy is protected against the worst that events can throw at it. And you think him commenting on the effect of Brexit is him sticking his oar in. Serious question. Is there any possible contribution from anyone that would make you sit back and consider that you might be wrong on the seriousness of the consequences of No Deal? And while we're at it, in your rush to suggest we meet, you didn't answer my other serious question last night, about how much you personally would be prepared to lose in order to take back control. That wasn't a bullying question or a trick or anything like that. It was genuine interest. Funny how he says the square mile will not be affected at all, funny how you neglect to mention that. As for what I'm prepared to lose, or more accurately not gain. I'd prefer to wait and see, but it's an irrelevant question, I didn't vote leave for economic reasons, and economic reasons WILL NOT change my mind.That offer to meet still stands, if you fancy crawling out from behind your keyboard. So let me get this right BS.You'd be prepared to lose your home? The shirt off your back? Every penny in the bank?You'd be prepared to be destitute, homeless and penniless in order to take back control of our sovereignty?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 05, 2019, 09:39:28 amQuote from: Boomstick on April 04, 2019, 09:08:04 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 08:56:33 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 08:13:28 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 07:37:42 pmAnother expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801Ah he sticks his oar in to tell us what we already know. A no deal is a high possibility, and it won't be easy. Thanks Mark You complain when people use blunt language. Now you're complaining about Carney using very diplomatic language. He has to tread a very careful path to avoid appearing overtly politically partisan. So if he is saying this publicly, you can imagine what he considers to be the dangers associated with No Deal, or what he is saying in private.If he says in public that claims that no deal could be easily managed are absolute nonsense, you can interpret that as him diplomatically saying it would be an utter f**king catastrophe. Or you could ignore it and say that we survived The Blitz, The Plague and The Ice Ages, so we'll survive No Deal.Oh aye. And you say he's sticking his oar in. This is the professional whose job it is to make sure our economy is protected against the worst that events can throw at it. And you think him commenting on the effect of Brexit is him sticking his oar in. Serious question. Is there any possible contribution from anyone that would make you sit back and consider that you might be wrong on the seriousness of the consequences of No Deal? And while we're at it, in your rush to suggest we meet, you didn't answer my other serious question last night, about how much you personally would be prepared to lose in order to take back control. That wasn't a bullying question or a trick or anything like that. It was genuine interest. Funny how he says the square mile will not be affected at all, funny how you neglect to mention that. As for what I'm prepared to lose, or more accurately not gain. I'd prefer to wait and see, but it's an irrelevant question, I didn't vote leave for economic reasons, and economic reasons WILL NOT change my mind.That offer to meet still stands, if you fancy crawling out from behind your keyboard. So let me get this right BS.You'd be prepared to lose your home? The shirt off your back? Every penny in the bank?You'd be prepared to be destitute, homeless and penniless in order to take back control of our sovereignty?Wow, your really ramping up project fear. Getting desparate?Nothing even close to resembling anything like your slavering on about will happen.
Quote from: Boomstick on April 05, 2019, 10:53:44 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 05, 2019, 09:39:28 amQuote from: Boomstick on April 04, 2019, 09:08:04 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 08:56:33 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 08:13:28 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 07:37:42 pmAnother expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801Ah he sticks his oar in to tell us what we already know. A no deal is a high possibility, and it won't be easy. Thanks Mark You complain when people use blunt language. Now you're complaining about Carney using very diplomatic language. He has to tread a very careful path to avoid appearing overtly politically partisan. So if he is saying this publicly, you can imagine what he considers to be the dangers associated with No Deal, or what he is saying in private.If he says in public that claims that no deal could be easily managed are absolute nonsense, you can interpret that as him diplomatically saying it would be an utter f**king catastrophe. Or you could ignore it and say that we survived The Blitz, The Plague and The Ice Ages, so we'll survive No Deal.Oh aye. And you say he's sticking his oar in. This is the professional whose job it is to make sure our economy is protected against the worst that events can throw at it. And you think him commenting on the effect of Brexit is him sticking his oar in. Serious question. Is there any possible contribution from anyone that would make you sit back and consider that you might be wrong on the seriousness of the consequences of No Deal? And while we're at it, in your rush to suggest we meet, you didn't answer my other serious question last night, about how much you personally would be prepared to lose in order to take back control. That wasn't a bullying question or a trick or anything like that. It was genuine interest. Funny how he says the square mile will not be affected at all, funny how you neglect to mention that. As for what I'm prepared to lose, or more accurately not gain. I'd prefer to wait and see, but it's an irrelevant question, I didn't vote leave for economic reasons, and economic reasons WILL NOT change my mind.That offer to meet still stands, if you fancy crawling out from behind your keyboard. So let me get this right BS.You'd be prepared to lose your home? The shirt off your back? Every penny in the bank?You'd be prepared to be destitute, homeless and penniless in order to take back control of our sovereignty?Wow, your really ramping up project fear. Getting desparate?Nothing even close to resembling anything like your slavering on about will happen. No. You're misunderstanding again. I didn't say those things would happen. I was trying to establish a principle. It's a common rhetorical technique when one person in a discussion refuses to engage. You set a ridiculously exaggerated scenario to establish the principle that there ARE things that would be unacceptable. Then, having done that, you can start moving back into more realistic areas. I'll say that in simpler words. I don't believe that there is no economic price you wouldn't be prepared to pay. And I'm interested in exploring what your limit actually is. You seem peculiarly determined not to address that point. The reason I wanted to find out what your economic red line was, is that we ARE going to lose a lot of economic wealth under any form of Brexit. We've lost too side of £6,500 per family since 2016, according to several independent analyses. And that's projected to roll on, gathering speed over the next decade. So, I'll ask once again. What price would you be prepared to pay in lost wealth?You think my ridiculous extreme of you being penniless, homeless and starving is too stupid to contemplate. Which suggests that you think THAT wouldn't be a price worth paying. So we've established one red-line, albeit a ridiculously exaggerated one. So tell me. What WOULD be a fair price?How about the UK being poorer than France and Italy? Like we were in 1970 before we joined the EEC. Would you be happy if we took back control but dropped down the list of economic superpowers?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 05, 2019, 11:33:53 amQuote from: Boomstick on April 05, 2019, 10:53:44 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 05, 2019, 09:39:28 amQuote from: Boomstick on April 04, 2019, 09:08:04 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 08:56:33 pmQuote from: Boomstick on April 03, 2019, 08:13:28 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on April 03, 2019, 07:37:42 pmAnother expert opinion to be ignored. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47807801Ah he sticks his oar in to tell us what we already know. A no deal is a high possibility, and it won't be easy. Thanks Mark You complain when people use blunt language. Now you're complaining about Carney using very diplomatic language. He has to tread a very careful path to avoid appearing overtly politically partisan. So if he is saying this publicly, you can imagine what he considers to be the dangers associated with No Deal, or what he is saying in private.If he says in public that claims that no deal could be easily managed are absolute nonsense, you can interpret that as him diplomatically saying it would be an utter f**king catastrophe. Or you could ignore it and say that we survived The Blitz, The Plague and The Ice Ages, so we'll survive No Deal.Oh aye. And you say he's sticking his oar in. This is the professional whose job it is to make sure our economy is protected against the worst that events can throw at it. And you think him commenting on the effect of Brexit is him sticking his oar in. Serious question. Is there any possible contribution from anyone that would make you sit back and consider that you might be wrong on the seriousness of the consequences of No Deal? And while we're at it, in your rush to suggest we meet, you didn't answer my other serious question last night, about how much you personally would be prepared to lose in order to take back control. That wasn't a bullying question or a trick or anything like that. It was genuine interest. Funny how he says the square mile will not be affected at all, funny how you neglect to mention that. As for what I'm prepared to lose, or more accurately not gain. I'd prefer to wait and see, but it's an irrelevant question, I didn't vote leave for economic reasons, and economic reasons WILL NOT change my mind.That offer to meet still stands, if you fancy crawling out from behind your keyboard. So let me get this right BS.You'd be prepared to lose your home? The shirt off your back? Every penny in the bank?You'd be prepared to be destitute, homeless and penniless in order to take back control of our sovereignty?Wow, your really ramping up project fear. Getting desparate?Nothing even close to resembling anything like your slavering on about will happen. No. You're misunderstanding again. I didn't say those things would happen. I was trying to establish a principle. It's a common rhetorical technique when one person in a discussion refuses to engage. You set a ridiculously exaggerated scenario to establish the principle that there ARE things that would be unacceptable. Then, having done that, you can start moving back into more realistic areas. I'll say that in simpler words. I don't believe that there is no economic price you wouldn't be prepared to pay. And I'm interested in exploring what your limit actually is. You seem peculiarly determined not to address that point. The reason I wanted to find out what your economic red line was, is that we ARE going to lose a lot of economic wealth under any form of Brexit. We've lost too side of £6,500 per family since 2016, according to several independent analyses. And that's projected to roll on, gathering speed over the next decade. So, I'll ask once again. What price would you be prepared to pay in lost wealth?You think my ridiculous extreme of you being penniless, homeless and starving is too stupid to contemplate. Which suggests that you think THAT wouldn't be a price worth paying. So we've established one red-line, albeit a ridiculously exaggerated one. So tell me. What WOULD be a fair price?How about the UK being poorer than France and Italy? Like we were in 1970 before we joined the EEC. Would you be happy if we took back control but dropped down the list of economic superpowers?Like I said, I didn't vote leave on economic reasons, so my mind won't change because of them. You have bleeted on about these so called experts predicting what will happen to the economy, and how. It may affect each household. Those predicted affects haven't changed my mind.Let's flip this on its head, how much control are you willing to give the EU?Are you willing to adopt the euro?Are you willing to take millions on millions of immigrants?Are you OK about the creation of an EU army?Are you willing to continue adopting EU laws with out proper representation?Are you willing to accept more ghettos like page hall forming?Are you willing to allow huge amounts of strain being put of the NHS and other services, and infrastructure on our small island?