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Or, you could look at America, where the majority of people who vote Republican don't believe in evolution.They don;t believe in evolution, because they reject scientific theories and evidence, and believe the Bible.Are their opinions equal to those who put forward scientific hypotheses which can be tested against evidence?
Quote from: Boomstick on July 10, 2018, 01:14:32 pmNot even gonna bother clicking on the link to that biased rag. Think months and months of negotiations from our government has been enough. The eu are just making things difficult, after all if tgey made it easy, everyone would want out. A semi brexit isn't what the country voted for, can't strike a deal? Hard brexit then. Simples. Fair play to johnson and Davies, for sticking to their principles and resigning. You obviously don't have a clue what a " cliff edge " Brexit looks like even after all the warnings from every direction NOT just the Guardian which for some reason you have a problem with .Brexit is far too complicated a subject to sit there and ignore the warnings coming from EVERY direction. If The CBI & The Unions agree about something being potentially catastrophic , then you should sit up and notice . Read what bloody people write, listen to what they say - you may not agree with everything but the warnings are writ large and they are coming from opposite directions ffs man how can you ignore them ? They don't write or say these things for fun you know and when people like you ignore the experts, laugh at the statistics, guffaw at the warnings - then they have done their job on you !! The drip drip drip of propaganda from the mainstream press controlled by distant foreign owners with Far Right owners employing newspaper hacks with the same mentality have gradually anaethetised you and others from recognising the truth. All of this is NOT for your benefit but for those friends of theirs with interests only in breaking this country , cherry picking struggling businesses here , breaking down regulations and safety nets for workers and gradually taking a wrecking ball to our society and .......THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ??Why , how do you personally benefit ? Even the Tory Party are scared shitless about a hard/ cliff edge Brexit - that alone should make you very worried but does it , does it fook . You happily clap and breathe life into a scenario that can only have one ending disaster .
Not even gonna bother clicking on the link to that biased rag. Think months and months of negotiations from our government has been enough. The eu are just making things difficult, after all if tgey made it easy, everyone would want out. A semi brexit isn't what the country voted for, can't strike a deal? Hard brexit then. Simples. Fair play to johnson and Davies, for sticking to their principles and resigning.
Quote from: hoolahoop on July 11, 2018, 07:43:56 amQuote from: Boomstick on July 10, 2018, 01:14:32 pmNot even gonna bother clicking on the link to that biased rag. Think months and months of negotiations from our government has been enough. The eu are just making things difficult, after all if tgey made it easy, everyone would want out. A semi brexit isn't what the country voted for, can't strike a deal? Hard brexit then. Simples. Fair play to johnson and Davies, for sticking to their principles and resigning. You obviously don't have a clue what a " cliff edge " Brexit looks like even after all the warnings from every direction NOT just the Guardian which for some reason you have a problem with .Brexit is far too complicated a subject to sit there and ignore the warnings coming from EVERY direction. If The CBI & The Unions agree about something being potentially catastrophic , then you should sit up and notice . Read what bloody people write, listen to what they say - you may not agree with everything but the warnings are writ large and they are coming from opposite directions ffs man how can you ignore them ? They don't write or say these things for fun you know and when people like you ignore the experts, laugh at the statistics, guffaw at the warnings - then they have done their job on you !! The drip drip drip of propaganda from the mainstream press controlled by distant foreign owners with Far Right owners employing newspaper hacks with the same mentality have gradually anaethetised you and others from recognising the truth. All of this is NOT for your benefit but for those friends of theirs with interests only in breaking this country , cherry picking struggling businesses here , breaking down regulations and safety nets for workers and gradually taking a wrecking ball to our society and .......THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ??Why , how do you personally benefit ? Even the Tory Party are scared shitless about a hard/ cliff edge Brexit - that alone should make you very worried but does it , does it fook . You happily clap and breathe life into a scenario that can only have one ending disaster .ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is) What would be the worse tgat would happen with a hard brexit?
BoomstickI don’t know who you usually discuss things with, but personally, I don’t make claims without having supporting evidence. https://news.gallup.com/poll/27847/majority-republicans-doubt-theory-evolution.aspx
Quote from: Boomstick on July 11, 2018, 09:32:22 amQuote from: hoolahoop on July 11, 2018, 07:43:56 amQuote from: Boomstick on July 10, 2018, 01:14:32 pmNot even gonna bother clicking on the link to that biased rag. Think months and months of negotiations from our government has been enough. The eu are just making things difficult, after all if tgey made it easy, everyone would want out. A semi brexit isn't what the country voted for, can't strike a deal? Hard brexit then. Simples. Fair play to johnson and Davies, for sticking to their principles and resigning. You obviously don't have a clue what a " cliff edge " Brexit looks like even after all the warnings from every direction NOT just the Guardian which for some reason you have a problem with .Brexit is far too complicated a subject to sit there and ignore the warnings coming from EVERY direction. If The CBI & The Unions agree about something being potentially catastrophic , then you should sit up and notice . Read what bloody people write, listen to what they say - you may not agree with everything but the warnings are writ large and they are coming from opposite directions ffs man how can you ignore them ? They don't write or say these things for fun you know and when people like you ignore the experts, laugh at the statistics, guffaw at the warnings - then they have done their job on you !! The drip drip drip of propaganda from the mainstream press controlled by distant foreign owners with Far Right owners employing newspaper hacks with the same mentality have gradually anaethetised you and others from recognising the truth. All of this is NOT for your benefit but for those friends of theirs with interests only in breaking this country , cherry picking struggling businesses here , breaking down regulations and safety nets for workers and gradually taking a wrecking ball to our society and .......THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ??Why , how do you personally benefit ? Even the Tory Party are scared shitless about a hard/ cliff edge Brexit - that alone should make you very worried but does it , does it fook . You happily clap and breathe life into a scenario that can only have one ending disaster .ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is) What would be the worse tgat would happen with a hard brexit? No! It’s NOT just about opinions. The Govt (which is leading us to Brexit, and which has said that a no deal Brexit is a possibility) has conducted economic forecasts of the effect. The prediction was that GDP would fall by 8% if we leave without a deal and revert to WTO trading rules. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hit-to-northern-ireland-and-north-east-england-gdp-revealed-in-new-brexit-impact-papers-leak-112402548* of GDP is about £250bn if lost wealth. Every year. Just stop for a moment and take that in. That’s £4000 for every single person in the country. Lost. Every year. And that’s not an opinion. It is a prediction by the leading Govt economists.
Then you thought wrong. As you do on pretty much every topic that you post on here. I am horrified at the thought of us as a country (big businesses, small businesses, all of us) losing money on that scale.
What are you blathering on about. Just over halfway down that page. 68% of people polled who identified as Republican supporters said they did not believe in evolution. 30% did.
Boomstick. Go and look again. It’s there. Bar chart just over halfway down the page.
Because they asked the respondents which party they supported.Look. You can convince yourself this is all b*llocks if it makes you feel better, but this is borne out by poll after poll after poll. Different numbers in different polls but always the same take-home - more Republicans believe that God created humans and others in their current form and evolution played no role. Plus a significant number of the ones who DO believe evolution happened think it did because God has been guiding ithttps://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/12/why-has-republican-belief-in-evolution-declined-so-much/282730/http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/03/republican-views-on-evolution-tracking-how-its-changed/https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/poll-49-percent-republicans-do-not-believe-evolutionThere are similar results for global warming.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/oct/06/pew-survey-republicans-are-rejecting-reality-on-climate-changeThe picture is clear. A LOT of Republicans don't accept scientific research and instead want to be told that their gut beliefs are correct.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 11, 2018, 12:12:51 pmBecause they asked the respondents which party they supported.Look. You can convince yourself this is all b*llocks if it makes you feel better, but this is borne out by poll after poll after poll. Different numbers in different polls but always the same take-home - more Republicans believe that God created humans and others in their current form and evolution played no role. Plus a significant number of the ones who DO believe evolution happened think it did because God has been guiding ithttps://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/12/why-has-republican-belief-in-evolution-declined-so-much/282730/http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/03/republican-views-on-evolution-tracking-how-its-changed/https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/poll-49-percent-republicans-do-not-believe-evolutionThere are similar results for global warming.https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/oct/06/pew-survey-republicans-are-rejecting-reality-on-climate-changeThe picture is clear. A LOT of Republicans don't accept scientific research and instead want to be told that their gut beliefs are correct.where does it say they asked the respondents which party they supported ?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 11, 2018, 09:39:38 amQuote from: Boomstick on July 11, 2018, 09:32:22 amQuote from: hoolahoop on July 11, 2018, 07:43:56 amQuote from: Boomstick on July 10, 2018, 01:14:32 pmNot even gonna bother clicking on the link to that biased rag. Think months and months of negotiations from our government has been enough. The eu are just making things difficult, after all if tgey made it easy, everyone would want out. A semi brexit isn't what the country voted for, can't strike a deal? Hard brexit then. Simples. Fair play to johnson and Davies, for sticking to their principles and resigning. You obviously don't have a clue what a " cliff edge " Brexit looks like even after all the warnings from every direction NOT just the Guardian which for some reason you have a problem with .Brexit is far too complicated a subject to sit there and ignore the warnings coming from EVERY direction. If The CBI & The Unions agree about something being potentially catastrophic , then you should sit up and notice . Read what bloody people write, listen to what they say - you may not agree with everything but the warnings are writ large and they are coming from opposite directions ffs man how can you ignore them ? They don't write or say these things for fun you know and when people like you ignore the experts, laugh at the statistics, guffaw at the warnings - then they have done their job on you !! The drip drip drip of propaganda from the mainstream press controlled by distant foreign owners with Far Right owners employing newspaper hacks with the same mentality have gradually anaethetised you and others from recognising the truth. All of this is NOT for your benefit but for those friends of theirs with interests only in breaking this country , cherry picking struggling businesses here , breaking down regulations and safety nets for workers and gradually taking a wrecking ball to our society and .......THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ??Why , how do you personally benefit ? Even the Tory Party are scared shitless about a hard/ cliff edge Brexit - that alone should make you very worried but does it , does it fook . You happily clap and breathe life into a scenario that can only have one ending disaster .ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is) What would be the worse tgat would happen with a hard brexit? No! It’s NOT just about opinions. The Govt (which is leading us to Brexit, and which has said that a no deal Brexit is a possibility) has conducted economic forecasts of the effect. The prediction was that GDP would fall by 8% if we leave without a deal and revert to WTO trading rules. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hit-to-northern-ireland-and-north-east-england-gdp-revealed-in-new-brexit-impact-papers-leak-112402548* of GDP is about £250bn if lost wealth. Every year. Just stop for a moment and take that in. That’s £4000 for every single person in the country. Lost. Every year. And that’s not an opinion. It is a prediction by the leading Govt economists. I asked for his opinion. What's yours? thought as a leftie, you wouldn't be too concerned with big businesses losing wealth?
Why are you Broomstick arguing about evolution is it avoid " the Brexit means Brexit " question perhaps ?
Quote from: Boomstick on July 11, 2018, 10:22:11 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on July 11, 2018, 09:39:38 amQuote from: Boomstick on July 11, 2018, 09:32:22 amQuote from: hoolahoop on July 11, 2018, 07:43:56 amQuote from: Boomstick on July 10, 2018, 01:14:32 pmNot even gonna bother clicking on the link to that biased rag. Think months and months of negotiations from our government has been enough. The eu are just making things difficult, after all if tgey made it easy, everyone would want out. A semi brexit isn't what the country voted for, can't strike a deal? Hard brexit then. Simples. Fair play to johnson and Davies, for sticking to their principles and resigning. You obviously don't have a clue what a " cliff edge " Brexit looks like even after all the warnings from every direction NOT just the Guardian which for some reason you have a problem with .Brexit is far too complicated a subject to sit there and ignore the warnings coming from EVERY direction. If The CBI & The Unions agree about something being potentially catastrophic , then you should sit up and notice . Read what bloody people write, listen to what they say - you may not agree with everything but the warnings are writ large and they are coming from opposite directions ffs man how can you ignore them ? They don't write or say these things for fun you know and when people like you ignore the experts, laugh at the statistics, guffaw at the warnings - then they have done their job on you !! The drip drip drip of propaganda from the mainstream press controlled by distant foreign owners with Far Right owners employing newspaper hacks with the same mentality have gradually anaethetised you and others from recognising the truth. All of this is NOT for your benefit but for those friends of theirs with interests only in breaking this country , cherry picking struggling businesses here , breaking down regulations and safety nets for workers and gradually taking a wrecking ball to our society and .......THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ??Why , how do you personally benefit ? Even the Tory Party are scared shitless about a hard/ cliff edge Brexit - that alone should make you very worried but does it , does it fook . You happily clap and breathe life into a scenario that can only have one ending disaster .ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is) What would be the worse tgat would happen with a hard brexit? No! It’s NOT just about opinions. The Govt (which is leading us to Brexit, and which has said that a no deal Brexit is a possibility) has conducted economic forecasts of the effect. The prediction was that GDP would fall by 8% if we leave without a deal and revert to WTO trading rules. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hit-to-northern-ireland-and-north-east-england-gdp-revealed-in-new-brexit-impact-papers-leak-112402548* of GDP is about £250bn if lost wealth. Every year. Just stop for a moment and take that in. That’s £4000 for every single person in the country. Lost. Every year. And that’s not an opinion. It is a prediction by the leading Govt economists. I asked for his opinion. What's yours? thought as a leftie, you wouldn't be too concerned with big businesses losing wealth? Broomstick- I'm not wasting any more time answering your 2 line sentences - we have in this the longest thread ever statistic after statistic , from Govt. sources. It's plain to see that you don't consider anything that might contradict your opinions - look through these pages I and many others have supplied you with all the relevant material for you to consider. I believe you haven't looked at even 1 of them properly.Now if you don't want to be treated like a village idiot - explain to me what you mean by ..........BREXIT MEANS BREXIT ?
ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is) What would be the worse case would happen with a hard brexit?
Quote from: Boomstick on July 11, 2018, 09:32:22 amok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is) What would be the worse case would happen with a hard brexit? 8% drop in GDP and £4000 per person the worst thing that could happen with a hard Brexit, really? Really, are you sure?It may have escaped people's notice, not surprising seeing as there is a heck of a lot going on, that there has been several nights or rioting in Derry/Londonderry this week. Petrol bombs thrown and then last night shots were fired at the police. There doesn't appear to be any one single reason for the trouble although it appears somebody thinks an old people's home is in he wrong place.I don't know how old you are or if you remember 'the troubles' Boomstick but there are several ex-service personel on this forum who can tell you what it was like serving there. And whether or not they would like to go back there - or send their or someone else's children there. I could tell you what it is like to find out the train that came into the station after yours was blown up. Or maybe stop and have a read of the memorial in Hartshead services the next time you go along the M62.What's the worst that can happen with a hard Brexit - a bomb on the mainland is worth 10 in Northern Ireland.[/ Bad times agreed but not sure brexit will be the only reason, I'm sure john McDonald will want any bombers knighted, what do you think bst?
Blackpool....It's obvious however that Sinn Fein and other Irish Parties are agitating after the Brexit result and see an opportunity to realise a united Ireland. Brexit has relit this dream and it only takes hotheads from either side to escalate things , want into any of the smuggling that will inevitably take place to fund their cause and- we are back swiftly to the troubles. Those troubles inevitably would spill out onto the mainland .N.Ireland, contrary to what many Brexiteers think, is not easily resolved once that Pandora's box is re-opened. If you, like other Brexiters I speak to, think it's a tool that the EU are using to screw the UK then think again. That peace was not won easily and I'm sure McDonnell, as much as I dislike the man, would never countenance the knighting of bombers . What a warped perception of people you have !what did he apologise Quote from: hoolahoop on July 12, 2018, 09:07:41 amBlackpool....It's obvious however that Sinn Fein and other Irish Parties are agitating after the Brexit result and see an opportunity to realise a united Ireland. Brexit has relit this dream and it only takes hotheads from either side to escalate things , want into any of the smuggling that will inevitably take place to fund their cause and- we are back swiftly to the troubles. Those troubles inevitably would spill out onto the mainland .N.Ireland, contrary to what many Brexiteers think, is not easily resolved once that Pandora's box is re-opened. If you, like other Brexiters I speak to, think it's a tool that the EU are using to screw the UK then think again. That peace was not won easily and I'm sure McDonnell, as much as I dislike the man, would never countenance the knighting of bombers . What a warped perception of people you have !
Blackpool....It's obvious however that Sinn Fein and other Irish Parties are agitating after the Brexit result and see an opportunity to realise a united Ireland. Brexit has relit this dream and it only takes hotheads from either side to escalate things , want into any of the smuggling that will inevitably take place to fund their cause and- we are back swiftly to the troubles. Those troubles inevitably would spill out onto the mainland .N.Ireland, contrary to what many Brexiteers think, is not easily resolved once that Pandora's box is re-opened. If you, like other Brexiters I speak to, think it's a tool that the EU are using to screw the UK then think again. That peace was not won easily and I'm sure McDonnell, as much as I dislike the man, would never countenance the knighting of bombers . What a warped perception of people you have !