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Quote from: foxbat on May 31, 2020, 10:24:42 pmWhen we rejoin the EU , I think we should adopt the Euro at the same time . Anyone else ?F*cking delusional.
When we rejoin the EU , I think we should adopt the Euro at the same time . Anyone else ?
There's very little doubt in my mind that the EU will have no hesitation in throwing the UK under the bus , Barnier ain't bluffing that much we do know during this process of 4 years and counting .The question is how long Johnson will refrain from blinking .He hasn't the balls for this game of Mexican Stand Off with the economic effects of the pandemic set to hit .Expect a Chamberlain moment as he waves a piece of white paper proclaiming " deal in our time " as he steps on to the political Green Mile .Be strong Boris , it's a big fall coming from the top job lad .
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 01, 2020, 11:56:23 pmThere's very little doubt in my mind that the EU will have no hesitation in throwing the UK under the bus , Barnier ain't bluffing that much we do know during this process of 4 years and counting .The question is how long Johnson will refrain from blinking .He hasn't the balls for this game of Mexican Stand Off with the economic effects of the pandemic set to hit .Expect a Chamberlain moment as he waves a piece of white paper proclaiming " deal in our time " as he steps on to the political Green Mile .Be strong Boris , it's a big fall coming from the top job lad .Throw the UK under the bus how? - by treating us the same as any other non-member state, or do you think they've something special lined up just for us?
If we as a nation don't get over this we are better and we are different from them, future generations will find themselves in the poorhouse and in a pariah state. We don't have an empire and we don't rule the waves we are liitle Britain with a commercial hub, we can't even feed everyone.
If you think things are as one sided as you think in the EU's favour You may be in for a surprise. Or is it just the way you would like it to be. If in the future (which I very much doubt) we do try to get back in, the Euro might not be around to have to deal with as we now know it, there might even be two versions for the northern and southern states.
The basic problem, all the way through the Brexit process has been the belief in British Exceptionalism.We MUST get a good deal because we are BRITISH! And therefore we deserve it. You European types need us more than we need you and you will fold.It's b*llocks. Childish b*llocks. It's the result of the national myth we have spun for three generations as the Empire collapsed and we couldn't come to terms with being one of a set of equals.We are at the endgame now. We either grow up f**king smartish, or we add the effect of cutting ourselves off from one of the greatest economic powerhouses in history to the list of problems we will have to sort out post-CoVid.
Billy you can throw theories about all you want, The leaders of the EU are hell bent on punishing the UK not primarily to hurt the UK but to keep the status Quo in their little kingdom fearing more countries leaving with the polls in italy especially looking to move in that direction. The Industrialists however are not in anyway as keen on that idea at all. The Germans are beginning to realise along with other northern states that the dept and payments towards the southern states plus their printing of fictitious money is now looking to be permanent, and realise that the money 90 billion euros here another 80 billion euros there will never be repaid, it is not possible when the countries benefiting started the covid crisis in negative territory to start with and problems with trading with us will be a big hit at a bad time. We are not in the best of health, but want to stay well clear of getting mixed up in any of that s**t, and if there is no agreement at the end of this month we will start the pull away.
Glyn Billy, you don't get it do you, the rhetoric has changed it is not them treating us as just a third world entity, it is us now willing to treat them as one, and we will be a dangerous one just off the main continent of Europe. It can be avoided, but the people now under the most pressure to avoid it is the EU. We have past the point where that was a political problem, we are out and have the choice of two ways to go, would prefer a fee trade agreement but are willing not to have one and if you want become the rogue on their doorstep, which will happen if the EU play hard ball.
I don't know this world you inhabit Selby, where a loss of trade divided by 500million people is a bigger threat than the same loss of trade divided by 65 million, but it's not the one that the rest of us live in.I'll say once more.1) Premise - The EU sees threats to the SM caused by offering us a preferential deal as a bigger threat than the damage caused to them by us walking away without a deal.2) Effect on EU action - They will not offer us a preferential deal that gives us a better economic position OUTSIDE the SM than we had INSIDE it.3) Effect on UK action - We have to decide if we are really going to walk away with no deal.4) Effect on EU of No Deal: They get a big, negative economic hit in terms of lost trade with us. That is spread between 500 million people. But the SM isn't compromised.5) Effect on UK of No Deal: We get a big, negative economic hit in terms of lost trade with the EU. That is spread between 65 million people and so is much more intense. We have the possibility of mitigating that hit by increasing trade with the rest of the world. But there is no credible economist anywhere who thinks that effect will come remotely close to making up for the massive hit to us from reduced EU trade. The only people telling us it will be OK are the likes of Farage AND Rees-Mogg.Nothing else matters. Any other argument is just piss and wind.When you realise the premise, the rest is just simple application of logic.
Glynn, I know you are a bastion of the new lefties liberal elite that belittle everybody and throw out what you think are clever insults and everyone who disagrees with you are thick and seem to just want to get angry and shout how good you are, but it gets a bit tiresome when you have got sod all right in the last four years buddy. Billy you can whittle those 500million down mate the French,Spanish, Italians, and Greeks are not in it to put anything in, Rumania and some of the others are still trotting about on a horse and cart and are also used to holding their hands out for the goodies along with Ireland and Poland. The Greeks and Italians and possibly Spain will not be contributing as much as a scratched arse for quite some time. That leaves the northern states who do the most trade with us, and are already balking at picking up their mates tab as it is.
Billy you can whittle those 500million down mate the French,Spanish, Italians, and Greeks are not in it to put anything in, Rumania and some of the others are still trotting about on a horse and cart and are also used to holding their hands out for the goodies along with Ireland and Poland. The Greeks and Italians and possibly Spain will not be contributing as much as a scratched arse for quite some time. That leaves the northern states who do the most trade with us, and are already balking at picking up their mates tab as it is.
Quote from: selby on June 02, 2020, 04:31:48 pmGlyn Billy, you don't get it do you, the rhetoric has changed it is not them treating us as just a third world entity, it is us now willing to treat them as one, and we will be a dangerous one just off the main continent of Europe. It can be avoided, but the people now under the most pressure to avoid it is the EU. We have past the point where that was a political problem, we are out and have the choice of two ways to go, would prefer a fee trade agreement but are willing not to have one and if you want become the rogue on their doorstep, which will happen if the EU play hard ball.Once more, in English?You haven't got the first clue what a Free Trade Agreement actually entails.
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