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Quote from: SydneyRover on December 07, 2019, 09:26:18 amIf you don't want an end to Austerity, london centric politics and spending, homelessness, working poor, zero hours contracts, a fairer distribution of wealth you may be right bigH labour has poor leaders.Sydney, those are noble aims, which, funnily enough, I support.But noble aims are worthless if you don't have the wherewithal to deliver them; in this case overwhelming support of the electorate and the charisma and leadership qualities to pull it off. It's a shame that it looks like it'll take a second General Election failure for Corbyn and his clique to get the message.Why Corbyn didn't get ruthless and berate Johnson last night for his incompetence, his untrustworthiness, his lies and his cowardice I'll never quite know...
If you don't want an end to Austerity, london centric politics and spending, homelessness, working poor, zero hours contracts, a fairer distribution of wealth you may be right bigH labour has poor leaders.
BST and the Blair, Brown governments helped the economy didn’t they. NOT.They were moderate labour politicians. Centre left. but they still messed up.Yes the Banks were mainly responsible for the crash but it happened under Labours watch didn’t it. What did they do about stopping it happening in the first place. Nothing. And you want a hard left wing government who will imo destroy our economy.Short term gain maybe with all the spending but it will end in long term massive pain for the whole of this country and it’s citizens.
Quote from: Campsall rover on December 07, 2019, 01:10:35 pmBST and the Blair, Brown governments helped the economy didn’t they. NOT.They were moderate labour politicians. Centre left. but they still messed up.Yes the Banks were mainly responsible for the crash but it happened under Labours watch didn’t it. What did they do about stopping it happening in the first place. Nothing. And you want a hard left wing government who will imo destroy our economy.Short term gain maybe with all the spending but it will end in long term massive pain for the whole of this country and it’s citizens. Labour plans are not even as radical as Atlee in 1945. Did that destroy the economy and they had war damage to cope with?No it led to a National Health Service, decent old age pensions, affordable utilities for the country, massive house building programme and the following Tory government continuing their policies saying the country had never had it so good!What will hurt the economy is NOT carrying out Labour's policies. It was the Tory manifesto the IFS said wasn't credible. Then there is the hit the economic hit from Brexit, a flashpoint in Northern Ireland and the environmental damage shown by the FOE report today and prepare to be exploited.
'Spafman' - I like that .Hard to believe that people in Doncaster are even thinking about voting for it.After what Thatcher did to Donny as well. !!!
Quote from: foxbat on December 08, 2019, 07:17:36 pm'Spafman' - I like that .Hard to believe that people in Doncaster are even thinking about voting for it.After what Thatcher did to Donny as well. !!!I used to blame Thatcher...until Donnygate!
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 07, 2019, 10:47:10 amCouldn't agree more Big H.I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson. I PMSL at Boris "leaders who lied should be made to crawl on hand and knee through the chamber flaggilating themselves with their......bundle of made up Documents about the supposed sell off of the NHS!"Abosloutly brilliant ! Corbyn pulled that face on Billy avatar caricature absolutely destroyed Corbyn😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Couldn't agree more Big H.I thought Corbyn was calm and on top of the detail. In normal times, that would be enough to win hands down. But these aren't normal times.I said to my wife while we were watching last night, this is Corbyn's chance slipping away. As you say, he needed to land some big punches on Johnson's lying and general untrustworthiness and I don't think he did that. If he had, experience suggests that Johnson either flounders or gets angry and bullies. That was the side of Johnson that Corbyn needed to expose last night and he didn't do it.If I'd have been in Corbyn's shoes, I'd have said at the start that every time Johnson lied, I was going to put my hand up and unfurl another finger to keep the running score. Simple, effective, memorable and it would have infuriated Johnson.
What do yo mean "staged"? He's been asked a question by a reporter. The reporter has asked him to look at a photo of a child with suspected pneumonia, laid on the floor of A&E because there weren't any beds. Johnson has initially refused to look at the photo and, for some bizarre reason, pocketed the reporter's phone.Which bit of that do you think is "staged"?
Yeah and if you dont think that's staged then I dispair