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Interesting isn’t it that those calling for Starmer being pictured with a beer in his hand to resign are not calling for Johnson to resign after being pictured doing the same thing
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 23, 2022, 10:03:39 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on May 23, 2022, 09:55:08 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 23, 2022, 09:09:04 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on May 23, 2022, 08:53:19 pmQuote from: wilts rover on May 23, 2022, 08:37:55 pmQuote from: mugnapper on May 23, 2022, 05:28:32 pmBoris Johnson pictured drinking at No 10 lockdown event https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61557064Oh dear. Probably Cummings leaking, as I seem to remember him saying there were more photos to come.Why were some of the people at that event fined but not Johnson? It's either an illegal gathering contravening covid laws or its not? because it was probably arranged as a work event, so any that should be there will be ok ones that were not meant to be at work will get finedIt was a leaving do for a member of staff. Why do you assume it was a work event?And since it happened in Johnson's office, if there were people there who shouldn't have been there, surely he should have told them the get out? it's fine anyway they had a long day at work before the event so are they not entitled to a beer and a piece of cake or 2?Clearly it wasn't alright. The Met issued fines to many of the people there. So it's a matter of record that there was illegality at the event where Johnson has been filmed raising his glass to the attendees. so because kier stood with his beer and only moved it to his mouth it's different, so if kier has raised his glass to anyone at his work place you think he should resign?
Quote from: bpoolrover on May 23, 2022, 09:55:08 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 23, 2022, 09:09:04 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on May 23, 2022, 08:53:19 pmQuote from: wilts rover on May 23, 2022, 08:37:55 pmQuote from: mugnapper on May 23, 2022, 05:28:32 pmBoris Johnson pictured drinking at No 10 lockdown event https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61557064Oh dear. Probably Cummings leaking, as I seem to remember him saying there were more photos to come.Why were some of the people at that event fined but not Johnson? It's either an illegal gathering contravening covid laws or its not? because it was probably arranged as a work event, so any that should be there will be ok ones that were not meant to be at work will get finedIt was a leaving do for a member of staff. Why do you assume it was a work event?And since it happened in Johnson's office, if there were people there who shouldn't have been there, surely he should have told them the get out? it's fine anyway they had a long day at work before the event so are they not entitled to a beer and a piece of cake or 2?Clearly it wasn't alright. The Met issued fines to many of the people there. So it's a matter of record that there was illegality at the event where Johnson has been filmed raising his glass to the attendees.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on May 23, 2022, 09:09:04 pmQuote from: bpoolrover on May 23, 2022, 08:53:19 pmQuote from: wilts rover on May 23, 2022, 08:37:55 pmQuote from: mugnapper on May 23, 2022, 05:28:32 pmBoris Johnson pictured drinking at No 10 lockdown event https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61557064Oh dear. Probably Cummings leaking, as I seem to remember him saying there were more photos to come.Why were some of the people at that event fined but not Johnson? It's either an illegal gathering contravening covid laws or its not? because it was probably arranged as a work event, so any that should be there will be ok ones that were not meant to be at work will get finedIt was a leaving do for a member of staff. Why do you assume it was a work event?And since it happened in Johnson's office, if there were people there who shouldn't have been there, surely he should have told them the get out? it's fine anyway they had a long day at work before the event so are they not entitled to a beer and a piece of cake or 2?
Quote from: bpoolrover on May 23, 2022, 08:53:19 pmQuote from: wilts rover on May 23, 2022, 08:37:55 pmQuote from: mugnapper on May 23, 2022, 05:28:32 pmBoris Johnson pictured drinking at No 10 lockdown event https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61557064Oh dear. Probably Cummings leaking, as I seem to remember him saying there were more photos to come.Why were some of the people at that event fined but not Johnson? It's either an illegal gathering contravening covid laws or its not? because it was probably arranged as a work event, so any that should be there will be ok ones that were not meant to be at work will get finedIt was a leaving do for a member of staff. Why do you assume it was a work event?And since it happened in Johnson's office, if there were people there who shouldn't have been there, surely he should have told them the get out?
Quote from: wilts rover on May 23, 2022, 08:37:55 pmQuote from: mugnapper on May 23, 2022, 05:28:32 pmBoris Johnson pictured drinking at No 10 lockdown event https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61557064Oh dear. Probably Cummings leaking, as I seem to remember him saying there were more photos to come.Why were some of the people at that event fined but not Johnson? It's either an illegal gathering contravening covid laws or its not? because it was probably arranged as a work event, so any that should be there will be ok ones that were not meant to be at work will get fined
Quote from: mugnapper on May 23, 2022, 05:28:32 pmBoris Johnson pictured drinking at No 10 lockdown event https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61557064Oh dear. Probably Cummings leaking, as I seem to remember him saying there were more photos to come.Why were some of the people at that event fined but not Johnson? It's either an illegal gathering contravening covid laws or its not?
Boris Johnson pictured drinking at No 10 lockdown event https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61557064Oh dear. Probably Cummings leaking, as I seem to remember him saying there were more photos to come.
Quote from: Filo on May 23, 2022, 08:26:41 pmInteresting isn’t it that those calling for Starmer being pictured with a beer in his hand to resign are not calling for Johnson to resign after being pictured doing the same thingStarmer should resign because he's a hypocrite if he doesn't practise what he preached.
Quote from: ravenrover on May 23, 2022, 02:53:33 pmIs Carrie Antoinette now on the No10 payroll?Probably she's worked in politics as an adviser for years it's how she met her husband.
Is Carrie Antoinette now on the No10 payroll?
The problem is he really doesn't believe/think it was a party which now makes the claim he lied to Parliament very debatable.Poor old Grant Schnaps drawing the short straw for this mornings interviews or maybe it's because he is very good at keeping a straight face when telling the chanels it was a work event, the red boxes were there the PM was working, it wasn't a party etc
The problem is he really doesn't believe/think it was a party which now makes the claim he lied to Parliament very debatable.Poor old Grant Schnaps drawing the short straw for this mornings interviews or maybe it's because he is very good at keeping a straight face when telling the chanels it was a work event, the red boxes were there the PM was working, it wasn't a party etc
This is the latest headline in the Express.Cummings highlights glaring flaw in Boris photo defence and calls those backing PM 'thick'Heh.
Is a leaving do a work event? In my experience, no. It's a social after work, usually involving drinks.What we seem to have here is a photo of a social event involving drinks. Some of those pictured have been fined for attending a social event. And there is a photo of Mr Johnson socialising too, so why no fine?
Quote from: River Don on May 23, 2022, 10:04:08 pmIs a leaving do a work event? In my experience, no. It's a social after work, usually involving drinks.What we seem to have here is a photo of a social event involving drinks. Some of those pictured have been fined for attending a social event. And there is a photo of Mr Johnson socialising too, so why no fine? is standing in your office like starmer stood up chatting having a beer a work event or is it just chilling being social after a long day at work?
Quote from: bpoolrover on May 24, 2022, 11:14:14 amQuote from: River Don on May 23, 2022, 10:04:08 pmIs a leaving do a work event? In my experience, no. It's a social after work, usually involving drinks.What we seem to have here is a photo of a social event involving drinks. Some of those pictured have been fined for attending a social event. And there is a photo of Mr Johnson socialising too, so why no fine? is standing in your office like starmer stood up chatting having a beer a work event or is it just chilling being social after a long day at work?Whatever Starmer was doing does not change or effect what johnson was doing so I'm not sure why you continue to conflate the the two, unless you are making a poor attempt to muddy the waters. Deal with johnson as the separate issue for that it is and what the evidence to date dictates. And yes I have seen that you say he should go, but noone has seen evidence that Starmer should go, but it will be investigated, just because you want him to be guilty doesn't make it so.
I see Grant Schnaps is now saying that Johnson wasn't partying as "he'd lost his Mother" which means he couldn't find her because she died some 10months after the photos were taken. Maybe he was looking for her and just stumbled across this leaving do which an insider says he , Johnson, actually instigated, encouraged people to continue drinking and stayed chatting to people for 20mins or so. No10 dispute this......... obviously
Bpool.Take out personalities for a moment.Do you HONESTLY not see the difference between a gathering in the office with food and drink where the whole purpose is to give a colleague a send off (what the world calls a "leaving do") and the partaking of food and drink while working after a day when you've been out pounding the streets campaigning 200 miles from home and there's work to catch up on (commonly known as a working dinner).I'm not saying that latter one is categorically what Starmer did - we'll see when the police report. But just tell me if you see a difference between the two as a hypothetical issue.
starmer himself has said he couldn't go and see his family, so why on earth just because he is at work can he have beer and a curry! just because he didn't raise his glass and say cheers does not make it morally right
Quote from: bpoolrover on May 24, 2022, 11:14:14 amQuote from: River Don on May 23, 2022, 10:04:08 pmIs a leaving do a work event? In my experience, no. It's a social after work, usually involving drinks.What we seem to have here is a photo of a social event involving drinks. Some of those pictured have been fined for attending a social event. And there is a photo of Mr Johnson socialising too, so why no fine? is standing in your office like starmer stood up chatting having a beer a work event or is it just chilling being social after a long day at work?Was Starmer standing in the office of the MP for Durham talking to people, part of his work during the campaign for the Hartlepol By-election (and local elections in the North-East)?Was Johnson holding a wine glass in the air in a room with a table covered in wine bottles and party snacks, part of his work in tackling the Covid pandemic (which is what he supposed to be doing at the time)?I dont know the answer to either of these questions - but I can make a good guess.