Looking grim for Labour

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick.

I still don't understand.

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

[IC1967]

For the avoidance of any doubt and as I always answer every question (despite hardly any of mine getting answers) no matter how many times the same question gets answered I'll say it once again. I am IC1967.

[IC1967]

It is an established fact that Labour were not grossly profligate before the Great Recession of 2008. Yes public spending went up under Labour from 1997-2008, but so did the economic performance of the country. By 2008, Labour were spending just about the same as a proportion of GDP as John Major was in 1997.

Another massive lie. Anyone with half a brain can see from the spending figures I produced on the 'Urgent Warning' thread that this statement is completely ludicrous and a gross distortion of the facts. You refer to John Major. Labour also referred to him in their 1997 manifesto. They said they were going to be wise spenders not big spenders like the Tories. The key phrase there is 'big spenders'. You have stated that Labour spent the same as John Major. Therefore they must have been 'big spenders'.

Instead of paying down the debt as they should have done during the so called good times they took out the nation's credit card and maxed it out. When the financial crisis hit we were so badly prepared due to Labour's profligacy we had the worst recession in living memory. These are the facts.

What a liar you are.

You are also a master at using figures to distort reality and to try to paint as rosy a picture as you can to push your leftie agenda. I've got news for you. Labour were responsible for the economy up until 2010 not 2008. If you were honest you'd use the figures up until then and not before.

What a misrepresenter of facts you are.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

[IC1967]

I am IC1967.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This will keep going until you finally answer the question being asked, not the one you want to be asked.

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

[IC1967]

Get in. Labour and the Tories are neck and neck in the latest polls. For labour to be in this position so far from the general election means they've no chance of winning. Her'e the latest from UKPolling Report.

Opinium’s fortnightly poll for the Observer tonight has topline figures of CON 33%(+5), LAB 33%(-2), LDEM 6%(-3), UKIP 18%(+1), GRN 4%(nc). This is the first time that Opinium haven’t shown Labour ahead since March 2012, before the Omnishambles budget.
Yesterday’s YouGov/Sun poll that also Labour and the Conservatives equal,

The telling observation is that this is the first time that Opinium haven’t shown Labour ahead since March 2012.

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

Labour are doomed. I'm so happy.

[IC1967]

This will keep going until you finally answer the question being asked, not the one you want to be asked.

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

I am IC1967.

Now just admit you are a liar and get that abject apology sorted. Otherwise there'll be another lie exposed tomorrow. You have been warned.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

[IC1967]

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

Billy stop being so silly. As well as having a trashed reputation and being exposed as the biggest liar, you are also well ahead in the stakes for being the most boring person on the forum. Get a grip man.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

[jucyberry]

http://www.jointpublicissues.org.uk/freud-foodbanks-and-deliberate-ignorance/   

r◾In July 2013 he denied Jobcentres gave out foodbank vouchers and explained that “…food from a food bank – the supply – is a free good, and by definition there is an almost infinite demand for a free good.” This means he thought that people were going to foodbanks not because they were hungry but because the food is free and people think they might as well go get it. A statement – much repeated – so ignorant of the experience of being unable to feed oneself or one’s family as to defy explanation. It also turns out that this is not the case. The Defra research that Lord Freud now refers to makes clear that foodbank expansion is not “supply led”. Interestingly this research was passed to the DWP in June 2013, a month before Lord Freud made his statement.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lord-freud-past-gaffes-on-welfare-food-banks-and-bedroom-tax-revealed-9797082.html?origin=internalSearch

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-bid-cut-lifeline-profoundly-4477839

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/lord-freud-wanting-the-disabled-to-be-paid-below-the-minimum-wage-is-a-new-low-for-tories-9796944.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/food-banks-lord-freud-blundering-3222149

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/03/food-banks-lord-freud_n_3538747.html


Ok Mick, unlike apparently you, I haven't got all day to sit around waiting to see what is posted next. It's been a busy crisis filled week and I have rather enjoyed watching you whittle away when I have popped on. In actual fact the more you toss out words like liar the less I feel like playing. There is one thing in life more than anything I cannot stand and that is a liar. I don't lie and I don't expect to see that word bandied around me..

Your total narrow minded, blinkered view stops you from seeing how things are for real people in the real world. People in despair, people suffering and people afraid of the way their lives are being pared to the bone.  Freud like you it would seem has no understanding either. People don't use food banks because they are there and believe it or not they don't want to be patronised. Employers want the best person for the job offered, the wage therefore should be the same for a disabled person as an enabled one. This isn't being pedantic about a choice of words clumsily spoken, this is about the seeds planted into the general subconscious that colours the way a group of people are thought of.

I have yet to see a single disabled person waving a flag for Freud... Have you?

It is your pseudo offence that is distasteful If you were a mole there would be no grass in the garden at all.

[RedRover45]

Let me try a different tact guys.

IC1967, I appreciate that you are who you say you are.
Now, the question is do you as a person post using any other pseudonyms in any of the VSC forums.
If the answer is yes, please list all the other pseudonyms you post under.
If the answer is no, in my opinion you are lying.

Is that clear and concise enough for you ?

[Filo]

Let me try a different tact guys.

IC1967, I appreciate that you are who you say you are.
Now, the question is do you as a person post using any other pseudonyms in any of the VSC forums.
If the answer is yes, please list all the other pseudonyms you post under.
If the answer is no, in my opinion you are lying.

Is that clear and concise enough for you ?

A little amendment to that question, to avoid any wriggle out reply


Do you post or have you ever posted in the past using any other  pseudonyms in any of the VSC forums?



P.S. Mick, when you post your answer, don't forget I know the answer already, and you know I know

[redwine]

Mick, I'd say you have just been "jucy'd".


 



Which passive aggressive tactic are you going to emply now?

[IC1967]

You say he said 'Greedy people visit food banks because it's free food not because they are desperate.' I'm not prepared to take what you say at face value given your track record. I can't find anywhere where he said this. I'd be grateful if you could post a link showing where he said this. If you don't, then I would at the very least expect an abject apology from you on this other example of misrepresentation.

Well that was a very poor attempt. I'm sorry but you are a liar. He didn't say what you say he said on the original incident or on the  'greedy ' comment. Therefore you have conclusively proved that you are a liar with a hard left agenda.

You also have a severe dose of political correctness. It is disgraceful to condemn the severely disabled to life without work. Of course some of these people need help to get work but you would rather they sat at home with low self esteem. Shameful.

Now get that abject apology sorted and we'll try and forgive you for your heartlessness.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I don't follow that answer Mick. So I'll ask again.

Are you the same person as MadMick50 and mjdgreg?

You tell us that you answer every question aimed at you. Well your behaviour today has been bizarre. It's like someone asks: "What is the capital of Paraguay?", you say "1066" and claim that you have answered the question. You have answered A question but not THE question posed.

Is there anyone there who can help you on this?

[jucyberry]

Mick. f**k off and do one. I've told you I do not appreciate being called a liar. It is very clear he believes greed not necessity motivates people towards food bank use.

I know Rob will moderate me but sometimes It has to be said, so go stick your better ware and your gold and your betting tips and opinions where the sun doesn't shine, which if not up your actual arse must be anywhere in close vicinity. I shan't be answering you again simply because I have come to the conclusion that you are an irredeemable cock.

[IC1967]

The moral of the story is don't tell lies if you don't want to be called a liar. Simple.

[RedRover45]

IC1967.

You have visited this thread since I asked you my question earlier today. Seeing as you pride yourself on answering every question put to you, I was wondering when you were going to answer mine ? Thanks.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick, you irredeemable little shite. Debs has been bang on with what she said. You are doing your usual thing of retreating into an argument about precise definitions of words and accurate quoting, which is rich coming from someone like you who wouldn't recognise a fact if it smacked him in the mouth and called him a lying Kitson.

Debs quotes Freud accurately “…food from a food bank – the supply – is a free good, and by definition there is an almost infinite demand for a free good.”

His inference here is clear. He is saying that he is not convinced that it is demand driving the increase in usage of good banks  he thinks it is possible (probably likely, otherwise, why raise the f***ing point?) that it is supply of a free good that is attracting people to take the free good who could actually afford to feed themselves. What do you call people who lap up free stuff that they could actually afford to pay for? I call them "greedy".

Freud is a b*****d of the first order. He has no comprehension of the demeaning experience of dropping through the safety net to the point where you have to demean yourself and take free handouts of the cheapest, lowest quality food in order to feed yourself and your kids. He has so little comprehension of it, that he thinks the country is awash with hundreds of thousands of people who go and queue up to get these meagre low-quality rations for free. He thinks the country is awash with greedy t**ts like that.

I always find that the spin people put on arguments says something about their own moral code. The fact that he thinks the country is full of greedy amoral t**ts says it all. The fact that you support him says even more.

The fact that you, you miserable little Kitson, then concoct an argument to have a go a Debs who is taking the shitty end of this Govt's policies with dignity and good grace is the supreme irony. You can say what you want to me, but I'm not having you calling her a liar. She is worth 50 of you, you pathetic toe rag. You lie so freely and blatantly, you assume everyone else has the same moral standards. You have called it 100% wrong with Debs and shown yourself up for the ignorant bully that you are.

Do us all a favour. Take your obnoxious ideas and f*** off to somewhere where they are appreciated. With whichever of your personas you wish to take.

[Dagenham Rover]

Mick. f*** off and do one. I've told you I do not appreciate being called a liar. It is very clear he believes greed not necessity motivates people towards food bank use.

I know Rob will moderate me but sometimes It has to be said, so go stick your better ware and your gold and your betting tips and opinions where the sun doesn't shine, which if not up your actual arse must be anywhere in close vicinity. I shan't be answering you again simply because I have come to the conclusion that you are an irredeemable cock.

Well said that lady

Now for your information Mick personally I am 56 years old I have never ever been out of work since I was 15 in the last 12 months I have had major spinal surgery, I cannot sit down, I cannot stand up for any real length of time, I cannot lift or bend particularly well I cannot walk too far, what job are you going to give me!!!!!!! I didn't cost the nhs jack all because I had private health cover  and don't say well done for that I was lucky it was in my contract in  fact I'm sure Jucy remembers when I had previous spinal surgery about 4/5 years ago all private the company I worked for valued me unfortunately their patience has basically  run out for which I don't honestly blame them.

Mick do us all a favour piss off and take the nutty Lords and Ladies with you who think they know how real people have to live because they don't

and if you don't believe me ask Hoola who I met the other night to discuss our relevent back conditions and the various treatments that may or may not be available

[Filo]

Mick, you irredeemable little shite. Debs has been bang on with what she said. You are doing your usual thing of retreating into an argument about precise definitions of words and accurate quoting, which is rich coming from someone like you who wouldn't recognise a fact if it smacked him in the mouth and called him a lying Kitson.

Debs quotes Freud accurately “…food from a food bank – the supply – is a free good, and by definition there is an almost infinite demand for a free good.”

His inference here is clear. He is saying that he is not convinced that it is demand driving the increase in usage of good banks  he thinks it is possible (probably likely, otherwise, why raise the f***ing point?) that it is supply of a free good that is attracting people to take the free good who could actually afford to feed themselves. What do you call people who lap up free stuff that they could actually afford to pay for? I call them "greedy".

Freud is a b*****d of the first order. He has no comprehension of the demeaning experience of dropping through the safety net to the point where you have to demean yourself and take free handouts of the cheapest, lowest quality food in order to feed yourself and your kids. He has so little comprehension of it, that he thinks the country is awash with hundreds of thousands of people who go and queue up to get these meagre low-quality rations for free. He thinks the country is awash with greedy t**ts like that.

I always find that the spin people put on arguments says something about their own moral code. The fact that he thinks the country is full of greedy amoral t**ts says it all. The fact that you support him says even more.

The fact that you, you miserable little Kitson, then concoct an argument to have a go a Debs who is taking the shitty end of this Govt's policies with dignity and good grace is the supreme irony. You can say what you want to me, but I'm not having you calling her a liar. She is worth 50 of you, you pathetic toe rag. You lie so freely and blatantly, you assume everyone else has the same moral standards. You have called it 100% wrong with Debs and shown yourself up for the ignorant bully that you are.

Do us all a favour. Take your obnoxious ideas and f*** off to somewhere where they are appreciated. With whichever of your personas you wish to take.

You're treading a fine line BST, Mick hasn 't abused you with such expletives!

[jucyberry]

BST my friend, thank you. 
 I try so hard not to lose patience with him, sometimes it's hard though.. Mick would make even Mother Theresa contemplate violence at times..

Daggers, I do remember it well. It was a horrible time for you, one I have a great empathy with as dad suffered so much too.

Too many people sit smugly on their laurels passing judgment but no one has a crystal ball, accidents, illness and disability can hit anyone at any time.. The line between Mick and Freud's worth less is a very fine one.

In reality the worthless are people like Freud and his contemptible associates with their pseudo understanding and going through the motions compassion.

[redwine]

Classic passive aggressive though filo. Surely that deserves the reply bst gave.

Personally I'd prefer to t a w t   the bas**rd and I couldn't care less if I incurred a ban. Calling someone else a liar is worse than using industrial language in my book.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Filo

He hasn't, but he's been equally abusive. I've had enough of the t**t to be honest. I don't mind the Kitson abusing me, but I'm not going to have him having a pop at people like Debs.

[IC1967]

This moral indignation is really making my piss boil. I have said previously that I don't know Freud from Adam and couldn't care less about the man or his views. What I do care about is the severely disabled and words being twisted to suit a hard left agenda.

Freud for all the faults he may or may not have did not say that all disabled people should be paid £2 an hour.  Anyone that says he did is a liar plain and simple. You are also guilty of misrepresenting his views for political capital. You are also guilty of condemning severely disabled people to a life without work because you insist they must get the minimum wage from an employer. You won't let them work for £2 an hour if they want to and to have their wages topped up by benefits.

How you lefties can say that I am the one in the wrong on this issue is unbelievable and shows just how detached you are from the real world. I've pointed out where people have lied about this issue and it seems they and their mates don't like it. Tough. I won't be bullied into submission. I am the one in the right and you in the wrong are making yourselves look dafter and dafter with very comment you make.

It's a good job I'm not so sensitive to criticism. I wouldn't mind but when I criticise someone it is fully justified and is always backed up with irrefutable evidence. I get so much criticism it is laughable. Nearly all the criticism aimed at me is personal and can't be backed up with any logical argument. You lefties really need to take a look at yourselves and try not to be so virulently anti any view that is not hard left. You would find your blood pressure would go down and you would sleep better.

I also stand by my 'greedy' comments. He did not say what Jucy said he said. At best she could be accused of misrepresenting his views again but I prefer to say it as it is and call it what it is and that is another lie.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Mick you f***ing cretin. How many times?

I'll tell  you why we are so sensitive about this. You are talking about people in my family and Debs's family. Unless you are as unfortunate as us, you have no f***ing idea what you are talking about. You wade into these discussions with no f***ing idea of the hurt you generate, you utter f**king  Kitson.

NO-ONE said that Freud said ALL disabled people should be paid £2 an hour. You are doing it again! Set up a straw man and attack that. It's what toss pots have done throughout history when they can't argue on the substantive issue.

I see that you are STILL calling Debs a liar. Do you want to meet up in public and discuss this issue? That's not a physical threat but it is an intellectual one. Let's meet up and discuss this issue in detail. One to one. Are you game?

[Dagenham Rover]

Mick I asked you a question in my post as you answer all questions answer it please or didn't you bother reading it

[jonnydog]

Is there not a forum rule that stops this kind of WUMing or trolling?

It's pathetic