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SydneyRover

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1800 on July 11, 2018, 07:58:57 am by SydneyRover »
Just out of interest Sydney who decides which comments are worth anything?

Well Id have thought that comments worth anything are those supported by common sense, supported by facts, by research done by credible sources, you know that sort of thing.



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Boomstick

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1801 on July 11, 2018, 09:29:30 am by Boomstick »
Or, you could look at America, where the majority of people who vote Republican don't believe in evolution.

They don;t believe in evolution, because they reject scientific theories and evidence, and believe the Bible.

Are their opinions equal to those who put forward scientific hypotheses which can be tested against evidence?
I'd like to see the proof  of your claim about the majority of republicans not believing in evolution.

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« Reply #1802 on July 11, 2018, 09:32:22 am by Boomstick »
Not even gonna bother clicking on the link to that biased rag.

Think months and months of negotiations from our government has been enough.
The eu are just making things difficult, after all if tgey made it easy, everyone would want out.

A semi brexit isn't what the country voted for, can't strike a deal?
Hard brexit then. Simples.

Fair play to johnson and Davies, for sticking to their principles and resigning.

You obviously don't have a clue what a " cliff edge " Brexit  looks like even after all the warnings from every direction NOT just the Guardian which for some reason you have a problem with .

Brexit is far too complicated a subject to sit there and ignore the warnings coming from EVERY  direction. If The CBI & The Unions agree about something being potentially catastrophic , then you should sit up and notice . Read what bloody people write, listen to what they say - you may not agree with everything but the warnings are writ large and they are coming from opposite directions ffs man how can you ignore them ?

They don't write or say  these things for fun you know and when people like you ignore the experts, laugh at the statistics, guffaw at the warnings - then they have done their job on you !! The drip drip drip of propaganda from the mainstream press controlled by distant foreign owners with Far Right owners employing newspaper hacks with the same mentality have gradually anaethetised you and others from recognising the truth. All of this is NOT for your benefit but for those friends of theirs with interests only in breaking this country , cherry picking struggling businesses here , breaking down regulations and safety nets for workers and gradually taking a wrecking ball to our society and .......THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ??

Why , how do you personally benefit ? Even the Tory Party are scared shitless about a hard/ cliff edge Brexit - that alone should make you very worried but does it , does it fook . You happily clap and breathe life into a scenario that can only have one ending disaster .
ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is)
What would be the worse case would happen with a hard brexit?
« Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 09:46:27 am by Boomstick »

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1803 on July 11, 2018, 09:34:07 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Boomstick

I don’t know who you usually discuss things with, but personally, I don’t make claims without having supporting evidence.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/27847/majority-republicans-doubt-theory-evolution.aspx

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1804 on July 11, 2018, 09:39:38 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Not even gonna bother clicking on the link to that biased rag.

Think months and months of negotiations from our government has been enough.
The eu are just making things difficult, after all if tgey made it easy, everyone would want out.

A semi brexit isn't what the country voted for, can't strike a deal?
Hard brexit then. Simples.

Fair play to johnson and Davies, for sticking to their principles and resigning.

You obviously don't have a clue what a " cliff edge " Brexit  looks like even after all the warnings from every direction NOT just the Guardian which for some reason you have a problem with .

Brexit is far too complicated a subject to sit there and ignore the warnings coming from EVERY  direction. If The CBI & The Unions agree about something being potentially catastrophic , then you should sit up and notice . Read what bloody people write, listen to what they say - you may not agree with everything but the warnings are writ large and they are coming from opposite directions ffs man how can you ignore them ?

They don't write or say  these things for fun you know and when people like you ignore the experts, laugh at the statistics, guffaw at the warnings - then they have done their job on you !! The drip drip drip of propaganda from the mainstream press controlled by distant foreign owners with Far Right owners employing newspaper hacks with the same mentality have gradually anaethetised you and others from recognising the truth. All of this is NOT for your benefit but for those friends of theirs with interests only in breaking this country , cherry picking struggling businesses here , breaking down regulations and safety nets for workers and gradually taking a wrecking ball to our society and .......THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ??

Why , how do you personally benefit ? Even the Tory Party are scared shitless about a hard/ cliff edge Brexit - that alone should make you very worried but does it , does it fook . You happily clap and breathe life into a scenario that can only have one ending disaster .
ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is)
What would be the worse tgat would happen with a hard brexit?

No! It’s NOT just about opinions. The Govt (which is leading us to Brexit, and which has said that a no deal Brexit is a possibility) has conducted economic forecasts of the effect. The prediction was that GDP would fall by 8% if we leave without a deal and revert to WTO trading rules.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hit-to-northern-ireland-and-north-east-england-gdp-revealed-in-new-brexit-impact-papers-leak-11240254

8* of GDP is about £250bn if lost wealth.

Every year.

Just stop for a moment and take that in.

That’s £4000 for every single person in the country.

Lost.

Every year.

And that’s not an opinion. It is a prediction by the leading Govt economists.

Boomstick

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1805 on July 11, 2018, 10:19:47 am by Boomstick »
Boomstick

I don’t know who you usually discuss things with, but personally, I don’t make claims without having supporting evidence.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/27847/majority-republicans-doubt-theory-evolution.aspx
So because republicans go to church , they 'doubt' evolution?
aye right.
still waiting for the proof

Boomstick

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1806 on July 11, 2018, 10:22:11 am by Boomstick »
Not even gonna bother clicking on the link to that biased rag.

Think months and months of negotiations from our government has been enough.
The eu are just making things difficult, after all if tgey made it easy, everyone would want out.

A semi brexit isn't what the country voted for, can't strike a deal?
Hard brexit then. Simples.

Fair play to johnson and Davies, for sticking to their principles and resigning.

You obviously don't have a clue what a " cliff edge " Brexit  looks like even after all the warnings from every direction NOT just the Guardian which for some reason you have a problem with .

Brexit is far too complicated a subject to sit there and ignore the warnings coming from EVERY  direction. If The CBI & The Unions agree about something being potentially catastrophic , then you should sit up and notice . Read what bloody people write, listen to what they say - you may not agree with everything but the warnings are writ large and they are coming from opposite directions ffs man how can you ignore them ?

They don't write or say  these things for fun you know and when people like you ignore the experts, laugh at the statistics, guffaw at the warnings - then they have done their job on you !! The drip drip drip of propaganda from the mainstream press controlled by distant foreign owners with Far Right owners employing newspaper hacks with the same mentality have gradually anaethetised you and others from recognising the truth. All of this is NOT for your benefit but for those friends of theirs with interests only in breaking this country , cherry picking struggling businesses here , breaking down regulations and safety nets for workers and gradually taking a wrecking ball to our society and .......THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ??

Why , how do you personally benefit ? Even the Tory Party are scared shitless about a hard/ cliff edge Brexit - that alone should make you very worried but does it , does it fook . You happily clap and breathe life into a scenario that can only have one ending disaster .
ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is)
What would be the worse tgat would happen with a hard brexit?

No! It’s NOT just about opinions. The Govt (which is leading us to Brexit, and which has said that a no deal Brexit is a possibility) has conducted economic forecasts of the effect. The prediction was that GDP would fall by 8% if we leave without a deal and revert to WTO trading rules.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hit-to-northern-ireland-and-north-east-england-gdp-revealed-in-new-brexit-impact-papers-leak-11240254

8* of GDP is about £250bn if lost wealth.

Every year.

Just stop for a moment and take that in.

That’s £4000 for every single person in the country.

Lost.

Every year.

And that’s not an opinion. It is a prediction by the leading Govt economists.
I asked for his opinion.
What's yours?

thought as a leftie, you wouldn't be too concerned with big businesses losing wealth?

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1807 on July 11, 2018, 10:22:50 am by BillyStubbsTears »
What are you blathering on about.

Just over halfway down that page.

68% of people polled who identified as Republican supporters said they did not believe in evolution. 30% did.

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1808 on July 11, 2018, 10:25:53 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Then you thought wrong. As you do on pretty much every topic that you post on here.

I am horrified at the thought of us as a country (big businesses, small businesses, all of us) losing money on that scale.

Glyn_Wigley

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1809 on July 11, 2018, 10:29:49 am by Glyn_Wigley »
Then you thought wrong. As you do on pretty much every topic that you post on here.

I am horrified at the thought of us as a country (big businesses, small businesses, all of us) losing money on that scale.

It's strikes me that he's sounding more and more like a Norwegian friend of ours.

Boomstick

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1810 on July 11, 2018, 11:30:53 am by Boomstick »
What are you blathering on about.

Just over halfway down that page.

68% of people polled who identified as Republican supporters said they did not believe in evolution. 30% did.
I'm sorry, but what are you blithering on about?
it says nothing of asking republicans, only asking Americans !
it then just says more republicans attend church, and doesn't even justify that claim!

BillyStubbsTears

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1811 on July 11, 2018, 11:34:24 am by BillyStubbsTears »
Boomstick.

Go and look again. It’s there. Bar chart just over halfway down the page.

Boomstick

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« Reply #1812 on July 11, 2018, 11:35:37 am by Boomstick »
Then you thought wrong. As you do on pretty much every topic that you post on here.

I am horrified at the thought of us as a country (big businesses, small businesses, all of us) losing money on that scale.
So how much do you think the individual person would lose ? and how?
« Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 11:58:29 am by Boomstick »

Boomstick

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1813 on July 11, 2018, 11:43:04 am by Boomstick »
Boomstick.

Go and look again. It’s there. Bar chart just over halfway down the page.
So how did they come to that conclusion when the questions asked weren't specific to any party ?

BillyStubbsTears

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« Reply #1814 on July 11, 2018, 12:12:51 pm by BillyStubbsTears »
Because they asked the respondents which party they supported.

Look. You can convince yourself this is all b*llocks if it makes you feel better, but this is borne out by poll after poll after poll. Different numbers in different polls but always the same take-home - more Republicans believe that God created humans and others in their current form and evolution played no role. Plus a significant number of the ones who DO believe evolution happened think it did because God has been guiding it

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/12/why-has-republican-belief-in-evolution-declined-so-much/282730/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/03/republican-views-on-evolution-tracking-how-its-changed/
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/poll-49-percent-republicans-do-not-believe-evolution

There are similar results for global warming.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/oct/06/pew-survey-republicans-are-rejecting-reality-on-climate-change

The picture is clear. A LOT of Republicans don't accept scientific research and instead want to be told that their gut beliefs are correct.

idler

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1815 on July 11, 2018, 12:38:10 pm by idler »
I got divorced 20 odd years ago and tried to keep it as amicable as possible even though I was the wronged party.
The thought of lawyers making money out of needless arguments was far better than pride costing my savings and pension.
Negotiation is the way forward for any intelligent person.

Boomstick

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1816 on July 11, 2018, 12:44:15 pm by Boomstick »
Because they asked the respondents which party they supported.

Look. You can convince yourself this is all b*llocks if it makes you feel better, but this is borne out by poll after poll after poll. Different numbers in different polls but always the same take-home - more Republicans believe that God created humans and others in their current form and evolution played no role. Plus a significant number of the ones who DO believe evolution happened think it did because God has been guiding it

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/12/why-has-republican-belief-in-evolution-declined-so-much/282730/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/03/republican-views-on-evolution-tracking-how-its-changed/
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/poll-49-percent-republicans-do-not-believe-evolution

There are similar results for global warming.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/oct/06/pew-survey-republicans-are-rejecting-reality-on-climate-change

The picture is clear. A LOT of Republicans don't accept scientific research and instead want to be told that their gut beliefs are correct.
where does it say they asked the respondents which party they supported ?

SydneyRover

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« Reply #1817 on July 11, 2018, 12:52:44 pm by SydneyRover »
Because they asked the respondents which party they supported.

Look. You can convince yourself this is all b*llocks if it makes you feel better, but this is borne out by poll after poll after poll. Different numbers in different polls but always the same take-home - more Republicans believe that God created humans and others in their current form and evolution played no role. Plus a significant number of the ones who DO believe evolution happened think it did because God has been guiding it

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/12/why-has-republican-belief-in-evolution-declined-so-much/282730/
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/03/republican-views-on-evolution-tracking-how-its-changed/
https://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/poll-49-percent-republicans-do-not-believe-evolution

There are similar results for global warming.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/oct/06/pew-survey-republicans-are-rejecting-reality-on-climate-change

The picture is clear. A LOT of Republicans don't accept scientific research and instead want to be told that their gut beliefs are correct.
where does it say they asked the respondents which party they supported ?

There you go Broomstick, this will gove you a handle on it.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/03/republican-views-on-evolution-tracking-how-its-changed/

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1818 on July 11, 2018, 02:31:20 pm by hoolahoop »
Not even gonna bother clicking on the link to that biased rag.

Think months and months of negotiations from our government has been enough.
The eu are just making things difficult, after all if tgey made it easy, everyone would want out.

A semi brexit isn't what the country voted for, can't strike a deal?
Hard brexit then. Simples.

Fair play to johnson and Davies, for sticking to their principles and resigning.

You obviously don't have a clue what a " cliff edge " Brexit  looks like even after all the warnings from every direction NOT just the Guardian which for some reason you have a problem with .

Brexit is far too complicated a subject to sit there and ignore the warnings coming from EVERY  direction. If The CBI & The Unions agree about something being potentially catastrophic , then you should sit up and notice . Read what bloody people write, listen to what they say - you may not agree with everything but the warnings are writ large and they are coming from opposite directions ffs man how can you ignore them ?

They don't write or say  these things for fun you know and when people like you ignore the experts, laugh at the statistics, guffaw at the warnings - then they have done their job on you !! The drip drip drip of propaganda from the mainstream press controlled by distant foreign owners with Far Right owners employing newspaper hacks with the same mentality have gradually anaethetised you and others from recognising the truth. All of this is NOT for your benefit but for those friends of theirs with interests only in breaking this country , cherry picking struggling businesses here , breaking down regulations and safety nets for workers and gradually taking a wrecking ball to our society and .......THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ??

Why , how do you personally benefit ? Even the Tory Party are scared shitless about a hard/ cliff edge Brexit - that alone should make you very worried but does it , does it fook . You happily clap and breathe life into a scenario that can only have one ending disaster .
ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is)
What would be the worse tgat would happen with a hard brexit?

No! It’s NOT just about opinions. The Govt (which is leading us to Brexit, and which has said that a no deal Brexit is a possibility) has conducted economic forecasts of the effect. The prediction was that GDP would fall by 8% if we leave without a deal and revert to WTO trading rules.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hit-to-northern-ireland-and-north-east-england-gdp-revealed-in-new-brexit-impact-papers-leak-11240254

8* of GDP is about £250bn if lost wealth.

Every year.

Just stop for a moment and take that in.

That’s £4000 for every single person in the country.

Lost.

Every year.

And that’s not an opinion. It is a prediction by the leading Govt economists.
I asked for his opinion.
What's yours?

thought as a leftie, you wouldn't be too concerned with big businesses losing wealth?

Broomstick- I'm not wasting any more time answering your 2 line sentences - we have in this the longest thread ever statistic after statistic , from Govt. sources. It's plain to see that you don't consider anything that might contradict your opinions - look through these pages I and many others have supplied you with all the relevant material for you to consider. I believe you haven't looked at even 1 of them properly.

Now if you don't want to be treated like a village idiot - explain to me what you mean by ..........
BREXIT MEANS BREXIT ?

hoolahoop

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1819 on July 11, 2018, 02:39:57 pm by hoolahoop »
Why are you Broomstick arguing about evolution is it  to avoid " the Brexit means Brexit " question perhaps ?
« Last Edit: July 13, 2018, 02:10:49 am by hoolahoop »

Glyn_Wigley

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« Reply #1820 on July 11, 2018, 02:49:52 pm by Glyn_Wigley »
Why are you Broomstick arguing about evolution is it avoid " the Brexit means Brexit " question perhaps ?

Reading Boomstick makes me doubt evolution too! :lol:

hoolahoop

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1821 on July 11, 2018, 03:07:30 pm by hoolahoop »
I wonder how he will explain away the Facebook revelations ?

Boomstick

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« Reply #1822 on July 11, 2018, 03:21:19 pm by Boomstick »
Not even gonna bother clicking on the link to that biased rag.

Think months and months of negotiations from our government has been enough.
The eu are just making things difficult, after all if tgey made it easy, everyone would want out.

A semi brexit isn't what the country voted for, can't strike a deal?
Hard brexit then. Simples.

Fair play to johnson and Davies, for sticking to their principles and resigning.

You obviously don't have a clue what a " cliff edge " Brexit  looks like even after all the warnings from every direction NOT just the Guardian which for some reason you have a problem with .

Brexit is far too complicated a subject to sit there and ignore the warnings coming from EVERY  direction. If The CBI & The Unions agree about something being potentially catastrophic , then you should sit up and notice . Read what bloody people write, listen to what they say - you may not agree with everything but the warnings are writ large and they are coming from opposite directions ffs man how can you ignore them ?

They don't write or say  these things for fun you know and when people like you ignore the experts, laugh at the statistics, guffaw at the warnings - then they have done their job on you !! The drip drip drip of propaganda from the mainstream press controlled by distant foreign owners with Far Right owners employing newspaper hacks with the same mentality have gradually anaethetised you and others from recognising the truth. All of this is NOT for your benefit but for those friends of theirs with interests only in breaking this country , cherry picking struggling businesses here , breaking down regulations and safety nets for workers and gradually taking a wrecking ball to our society and .......THIS IS WHAT YOU WANT ??

Why , how do you personally benefit ? Even the Tory Party are scared shitless about a hard/ cliff edge Brexit - that alone should make you very worried but does it , does it fook . You happily clap and breathe life into a scenario that can only have one ending disaster .
ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is)
What would be the worse tgat would happen with a hard brexit?

No! It’s NOT just about opinions. The Govt (which is leading us to Brexit, and which has said that a no deal Brexit is a possibility) has conducted economic forecasts of the effect. The prediction was that GDP would fall by 8% if we leave without a deal and revert to WTO trading rules.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/hit-to-northern-ireland-and-north-east-england-gdp-revealed-in-new-brexit-impact-papers-leak-11240254

8* of GDP is about £250bn if lost wealth.

Every year.

Just stop for a moment and take that in.

That’s £4000 for every single person in the country.

Lost.

Every year.

And that’s not an opinion. It is a prediction by the leading Govt economists.
I asked for his opinion.
What's yours?

thought as a leftie, you wouldn't be too concerned with big businesses losing wealth?

Broomstick- I'm not wasting any more time answering your 2 line sentences - we have in this the longest thread ever statistic after statistic , from Govt. sources. It's plain to see that you don't consider anything that might contradict your opinions - look through these pages I and many others have supplied you with all the relevant material for you to consider. I believe you haven't looked at even 1 of them properly.

Now if you don't want to be treated like a village idiot - explain to me what you mean by ..........
BREXIT MEANS BREXIT ?
still no answer ?

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1823 on July 11, 2018, 06:59:33 pm by wilts rover »
ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is)
What would be the worse case would happen with a hard brexit?

8% drop in GDP and £4000 per person the worst thing that could happen with a hard Brexit, really? Really, are you sure?

It may have escaped people's notice, not surprising seeing as there is a heck of a lot going on, that there has been several nights or rioting in Derry/Londonderry this week. Petrol bombs thrown and then last night shots were fired at the police. There doesn't appear to be any one single reason for the trouble although it appears somebody thinks an old people's home is in he wrong place.

I don't know how old you are or if you remember 'the troubles' Boomstick but there are several ex-service personel on this forum who can tell you what it was like serving there. And whether or not they would like to go back there - or send their or someone else's children there. I could tell you what it is like to find out the train that came into the station after yours was blown up. Or maybe stop and have a read of the memorial in Hartshead services the next time you go along the M62.

What's the worst that can happen with a hard Brexit - a bomb on the mainland is worth 10 in Northern Ireland.

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« Reply #1824 on July 11, 2018, 07:17:42 pm by Glyn_Wigley »
The Sphinx makes it all clear..!

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« Reply #1825 on July 11, 2018, 07:57:49 pm by bpoolrover »
ok, so in your opinion (and that's all that it is)
What would be the worse case would happen with a hard brexit?

8% drop in GDP and £4000 per person the worst thing that could happen with a hard Brexit, really? Really, are you sure?

It may have escaped people's notice, not surprising seeing as there is a heck of a lot going on, that there has been several nights or rioting in Derry/Londonderry this week. Petrol bombs thrown and then last night shots were fired at the police. There doesn't appear to be any one single reason for the trouble although it appears somebody thinks an old people's home is in he wrong place.

I don't know how old you are or if you remember 'the troubles' Boomstick but there are several ex-service personel on this forum who can tell you what it was like serving there. And whether or not they would like to go back there - or send their or someone else's children there. I could tell you what it is like to find out the train that came into the station after yours was blown up. Or maybe stop and have a read of the memorial in Hartshead services the next time you go along the M62.

What's the worst that can happen with a hard Brexit - a bomb on the mainland is worth 10 in Northern Ireland.
[/        Bad times agreed but not sure brexit will be the only reason, I'm sure john McDonald will want any bombers knighted, what do you think bst?

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« Reply #1826 on July 12, 2018, 09:07:41 am by hoolahoop »
Blackpool....
It's obvious however that Sinn Fein and other Irish Parties are agitating after the Brexit result and see an opportunity to realise a united Ireland. Brexit has relit this dream and it only takes hotheads from either side to escalate things , want into any of the smuggling that will inevitably take place to fund their cause and- we are back swiftly to the troubles.
Those troubles inevitably would spill out onto the mainland .

N.Ireland, contrary to what many Brexiteers think, is not easily resolved once that Pandora's box is re-opened. If you, like other Brexiters I speak to,  think it's a tool that the EU are using to screw the UK  then think again. That peace was not won easily and I'm sure McDonnell, as much as I dislike the man, would never countenance the knighting of bombers . What a warped perception of people you have !

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« Reply #1827 on July 12, 2018, 01:23:11 pm by Glyn_Wigley »
The smuggling is still going on and has been for years - where do you think the majority of the money raised from selling smuggling fags goes? Across the Irish Sea, that's where. There's been many a time I've listened with interest when I've been in pubs with some of the local hard men talking about 'no surrender' when they were smoking the fags that funded the IRA.

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« Reply #1828 on July 12, 2018, 04:16:29 pm by Dutch Uncle »
Wilts and Hoola

My opinion for what it is worth.

Having lived in Northern Ireland for 5 years now, and talking to people over here, I don’t think anyone believes that the old troubles will return at the level they were before. It has to be remembered that when the Troubles started in 1969 there was real discrimination and inequality for Catholics, so they had a real cause, and consequently their paramilitaries had wide support from their communities. Loyalist paramilitaries also had similar support from their communities. The drastically improved peaceful situation over the last 20 years means no communities want to go back the the all out violence, and IMHO it  really is a few hotheads unsupported by their communities these days. Also there is always tension in the marching season, not only L/Derry but also Belfast has seen problems. In Belfast bonfires have gotten completely out of hand with respect to size and proximity to residential buildings, and there has been a reaction by other hotheads to the authorities trying to curb this.

Brexit has put political wind in republican’s sails, but the lack of devolved parliament here was due to a row over a botched renewable heating scheme, not Brexit. Also IMHO, a lack of the right personalities in senior positions is letting us down. I never thought I would ever say it, but we miss Martin McGuiness and Ian Paisley Senior and their surprising good personal chemistry.

It is interesting that republicans voted by about 80-20 to remain, keeping the North close to RoI. Most Unionists only thought would have been to vote against anything wanted by Republicans, so voted leave by about 60-40.

I think it is fair to say all parties in NI are worried about Brexit’s negative effect on trade, tourism and investment, all of which are at levels not dreamed about 20 years ago. The film industry, led by Game of Thrones, is now a major factor over here.

Another thing unifying everyone here is that absolutely everyone is annoyed that all Uk politicians have ignored, minimised, underestimated the problem of the continued open border outside of Customs Union and Single market.

Just my own feelings on the ground over here.
« Last Edit: July 12, 2018, 04:21:14 pm by Dutch Uncle »

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Re: Brexit Negotiations
« Reply #1829 on July 12, 2018, 10:42:49 pm by bpoolrover »
Blackpool....
It's obvious however that Sinn Fein and other Irish Parties are agitating after the Brexit result and see an opportunity to realise a united Ireland. Brexit has relit this dream and it only takes hotheads from either side to escalate things , want into any of the smuggling that will inevitably take place to fund their cause and- we are back swiftly to the troubles.
Those troubles inevitably would spill out onto the mainland .

N.Ireland, contrary to what many Brexiteers think, is not easily resolved once that Pandora's box is re-opened. If you, like other Brexiters I speak to,  think it's a tool that the EU are using to screw the UK  then think again. That peace was not won easily and I'm sure McDonnell, as much as I dislike the man, would never countenance the knighting of bombers . What a warped perception of people you have !what did he apologise
Blackpool....
It's obvious however that Sinn Fein and other Irish Parties are agitating after the Brexit result and see an opportunity to realise a united Ireland. Brexit has relit this dream and it only takes hotheads from either side to escalate things , want into any of the smuggling that will inevitably take place to fund their cause and- we are back swiftly to the troubles.
Those troubles inevitably would spill out onto the mainland .

N.Ireland, contrary to what many Brexiteers think, is not easily resolved once that Pandora's box is re-opened. If you, like other Brexiters I speak to,  think it's a tool that the EU are using to screw the UK  then think again. That peace was not won easily and I'm sure McDonnell, as much as I dislike the man, would never countenance the knighting of bombers . What a warped perception of people you have !
so the tories are going to ruin the country because of brexit what a warped mind you have!

 

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