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Quote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:29:24 pmQuote from: DonnyOsmond on June 04, 2018, 10:28:02 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:26:18 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 04, 2018, 10:22:46 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:21:30 pmQuote from: mushRTID on June 04, 2018, 10:15:07 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:11:44 pmI agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?Maybe yeah. I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??More rubbish 😂The club needed the loan not brammal of course. You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up. Wouldn't be a smart business move though? If the club needed it wouldn't Brammall loan us it then the interest goes to him, not some bank or whatever.Yes, the loan would probably have come from brammalUntil the last few years he'd been loaning us money for years, along with JR and DW. Nobody made a big deal back then.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on June 04, 2018, 10:28:02 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:26:18 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 04, 2018, 10:22:46 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:21:30 pmQuote from: mushRTID on June 04, 2018, 10:15:07 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:11:44 pmI agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?Maybe yeah. I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??More rubbish 😂The club needed the loan not brammal of course. You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up. Wouldn't be a smart business move though? If the club needed it wouldn't Brammall loan us it then the interest goes to him, not some bank or whatever.Yes, the loan would probably have come from brammal
Quote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:26:18 pmQuote from: silent majority on June 04, 2018, 10:22:46 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:21:30 pmQuote from: mushRTID on June 04, 2018, 10:15:07 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:11:44 pmI agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?Maybe yeah. I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??More rubbish 😂The club needed the loan not brammal of course. You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up. Wouldn't be a smart business move though? If the club needed it wouldn't Brammall loan us it then the interest goes to him, not some bank or whatever.
Quote from: silent majority on June 04, 2018, 10:22:46 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:21:30 pmQuote from: mushRTID on June 04, 2018, 10:15:07 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:11:44 pmI agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?Maybe yeah. I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??More rubbish 😂The club needed the loan not brammal of course. You keep saying it’s all rubbish but the things that are happening don’t seem to back it up.
Quote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:21:30 pmQuote from: mushRTID on June 04, 2018, 10:15:07 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:11:44 pmI agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?Maybe yeah. I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.More rubbish Dickos, can you seriously imagine Terry Bramall having to take out a loan??
Quote from: mushRTID on June 04, 2018, 10:15:07 pmQuote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:11:44 pmI agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?Maybe yeah. I was told then that the club had to take out a loan because of a cash flow shortage due to season ticket sales not being as good as they’d projected.
Quote from: dickos1 on June 04, 2018, 10:11:44 pmI agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players Any link to the frightening rumour you heard?
I agree it’s not necessarily going to be a bad thing, but he wouldn’t leave for no reason and he wouldn’t say he was left with no alternative. That’s what’s concerning me, we’ve got no money to bring in any decent players
Maybe Fergie knows he can't get decent enough results without a large budget because of his own limitations as a manager. Now because the Board wont give him that large budget he needs to be successful he has no alternative but to resign to save face. Let's be honest we know & the Board knows that there are managers out there that don't need huge budgets to get promotions at this level.So maybe it's just a case of Fergie knowing he is not good enough to get where the Board wants without spending shed loads of cash!
I'm surprised but not, if that makes sense. I didn't mind DF. However, I didn't 100% buy into him. He obviously has had some lower league success and understands the game, but there's something missing from his management style. Not sure exactly what it is, but he's certainly not his Dad. He doesn't have 'it' as a manager, but he was an improvement on Dickov. He's certainly moved the club forwards in structure I think, even if we are back where we were when he came in in terms of league position.We played some nice stuff. We played some f**king awful stuff. He didn't seem to be able to stick to a system and some of his decisions, playing players out of position a hell of a lot, were bizarre. And every season he lost his way towards the end of the season. Every season.I'm actually excited to see what happens next. I certainly don't believe our board is tight. And I don't agree all this b*llocks about them "not being football people" - utter crap. RTID
If it didn't point to something wider going on, I wouldn't be all that bothered. Decent manager and I'd have been happy for him to stay but I didn't feel he was ever getting more out of the team than the sum of its parts, and started to get tired of him only having two gameplans and subsequently running out of ideas when neither of them worked.Interesting times. Not going to cast doom over the situation just yet but it will be interesting to see which way this plays out.
I'm baffled to be honest, odd timing as well. It doesn't come across well as unless he ends up at another club in the next few days (which of course is entirely possible) then it must be about the man and the board not seeing eye-to-eye on the playing budget.I get people saying it's not necessarily a bad thing because he's not that good a manager, he's definitely not irreplaceable or anything. But it's more upheaval, I'd really like some long-term stability in terms of our strategy and planning. Maybe I was spoiled by the 5 odd years of SOD but it does annoy me a bit. We got ourselves in a right state through the Saunders and Dickov eras and then got relegated to League Two necessitating another total revamp, now we finally have two years of solid progression and a coherent transfer/development strategy and the manager leaves out of nowhere.So I hope the club act quickly, get a sensible replacement in and move to reassure all of us lot that there's no reason to be alarmed. Because we aren't going to get near to achieving that plan to be in the Championship by 2022 if we don't invest in improving the playing squad.
The club have already issued a statement and an update will follow in the next 24 hours.But for all those who are blaming the playing budget for this would be wrong. There has been no cost cutting with the playing staff and the club confirmed that to the supporters board and with myself.I have a meeting scheduled with Gavin tomorrow, and we will discuss this again.
Bloody hell, anyone want to buy some razor blades?The news is half an hour old. Let's wait till the club make their statement. Everyone is jumping in based on probably less than half the story. Personally, I'm not too fussed to see him leave. I think he did a job, got us moving forward again, but his style of play had its limitations and his substitutions consistently baffled me. This is now an opportunity to appoint the right man to take us to the next level.
Quote from: RoversAlias on June 04, 2018, 10:43:22 pmI'm baffled to be honest, odd timing as well. It doesn't come across well as unless he ends up at another club in the next few days (which of course is entirely possible) then it must be about the man and the board not seeing eye-to-eye on the playing budget.I get people saying it's not necessarily a bad thing because he's not that good a manager, he's definitely not irreplaceable or anything. But it's more upheaval, I'd really like some long-term stability in terms of our strategy and planning. Maybe I was spoiled by the 5 odd years of SOD but it does annoy me a bit. We got ourselves in a right state through the Saunders and Dickov eras and then got relegated to League Two necessitating another total revamp, now we finally have two years of solid progression and a coherent transfer/development strategy and the manager leaves out of nowhere.So I hope the club act quickly, get a sensible replacement in and move to reassure all of us lot that there's no reason to be alarmed. Because we aren't going to get near to achieving that plan to be in the Championship by 2022 if we don't invest in improving the playing squad.RA, we aren’t really much further forward than when Ferguson joined us though.Maybe a few places on the league ladder.
Maybe not on the pitch but it’s common knowledge how much the club has moved forward under Ferguson.
Quote from: PDX_Rover on June 04, 2018, 10:33:32 pmI'm surprised but not, if that makes sense. I didn't mind DF. However, I didn't 100% buy into him. He obviously has had some lower league success and understands the game, but there's something missing from his management style. Not sure exactly what it is, but he's certainly not his Dad. He doesn't have 'it' as a manager, but he was an improvement on Dickov. He's certainly moved the club forwards in structure I think, even if we are back where we were when he came in in terms of league position.We played some nice stuff. We played some f**king awful stuff. He didn't seem to be able to stick to a system and some of his decisions, playing players out of position a hell of a lot, were bizarre. And every season he lost his way towards the end of the season. Every season.I'm actually excited to see what happens next. I certainly don't believe our board is tight. And I don't agree all this b*llocks about them "not being football people" - utter crap. RTIDCrikey PDX, how high is that fence you are sitting on.
Anyone else find it strange that the news broke on the LMA website first, and also the fact that we've heard nothing from Fergie for weeks, I wonder if this happened some time ago?