Brexit deal

[wilts rover]

1 in 7 Cars manufactured in Germany are sold to the UK

How many cars sold in the UK are manufactured in Germany or manufactured by German owned firms in the UK? Or French? Or Spanish?

Or put another way, with Honda and Toyota ceasing manufacturing in the UK if we don't by EU manufactured cars what will we buy?

[Sprotyrover]

It's not my problem, the Eu will be punishing itself with a hard Brexit, and while we're at it we ban them fom fishing our waters and make over 100. K unemployed, then we sell them their much loved fish at premium rates.,easy peasey. Oh and don't rabbit on about us importing Cod from Holland et al, our boats will land the Cod and process it in our Fish productuin facillities.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Jesus wept. How on earth do we row back from here when intelligent folk have had their brains addled to this extent my a generation of bile?

[Glyn_Wigley]

It's not my problem, the Eu will be punishing itself with a hard Brexit, and while we're at it we ban them fom fishing our waters and make over 100. K unemployed, then we sell them their much loved fish at premium rates.,easy peasey. Oh and don't rabbit on about us importing Cod from Holland et al, our boats will land the Cod and process it in our Fish productuin facillities.

The UK has already sold it's fishing quotas to foreign big businesses for quick dosh. We can't ban them, we've already sold them the exclusive rights to fish there. That's the UK that's done that, not the EU. Got it?

[SydneyRover]

It's not my problem, the Eu will be punishing itself with a hard Brexit, and while we're at it we ban them fom fishing our waters and make over 100. K unemployed, then we sell them their much loved fish at premium rates.,easy peasey. Oh and don't rabbit on about us importing Cod from Holland et al, our boats will land the Cod and process it in our Fish productuin facillities.

Sproty

The EU doesn't want us to leave at all.

We have to have negotiated fishing rights in or out of the EU and as GW points out there are existing contracts in place which a lot have been sold to overseas interests.

It will be your problem if Farage and Johnson are allowed to run the asylum.

Finish your homework or you can't have any supper.

''More than a quarter of the United Kingdom’s fishing quota is in the hands of a tiny group of the country’s wealthiest families, an Unearthed investigation has found.

Just five families on the Sunday Times Rich List hold or control 29% of the UK’s fishing quota''

''It reveals that more than two-thirds of the UK’s fishing quota is controlled by just 25 businesses – and more than half of those are linked to one of the biggest criminal overfishing scams ever to reach the British courts.

Meanwhile, in England nearly 80% of fishing quota is held by foreign owners or domestic Rich List families, and more than half of Northern Ireland’s quota is hoarded onto a single trawler''

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2018/10/11/fishing-quota-uk-defra-michael-gove/

More homework:

Common Fisheries Policy

''The UK's share of the overall EU fishing catch in 2014 was 752,000 tonnes, the second largest catch of any country in the EU''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Fisheries_Policy

Yet more:

http://theconversation.com/brexit-what-the-uk-fishing-industry-wants-107751

[DonnyOsmond]

20% of the fish we collect aren't from UK waters. If they're fish don't native to us and perhaps to e.g. the Mediterranean then some nice tariffs on then. Also, 80% of the fish we collect is sold on to other countries, of the top 5 of those countries 4 of the are in the EU. Some of the fisheries laws the EU have ended up making the cod numbers increase after reducing for decades. So all in all, we don't need that many fish and if they want some they'll go to the cheapest seller and seeing as these fish aren't only in our waters, they're in Norwegian, Swedish, Dutch and German waters they'll find competitors.

[Sprotyrover]

20% of the fish we collect aren't from UK waters. If they're fish don't native to us and perhaps to e.g. the Mediterranean then some nice tariffs on then. Also, 80% of the fish we collect is sold on to other countries, of the top 5 of those countries 4 of the are in the EU. Some of the fisheries laws the EU have ended up making the cod numbers increase after reducing for decades. So all in all, we don't need that many fish and if they want some they'll go to the cheapest seller and seeing as these fish aren't only in our waters, they're in Norwegian, Swedish, Dutch and German waters they'll find competitors.

60% of eu fish stocks are in U.K. And Eire waters!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Sproty.

Grand. Let's take back control.of our waters and kick them thieving foreigners out.

A report a year or two back suggested that, over time, the UK fisheries industry could grow so big that it would add nearly £700m/year to our economy.

That would be brilliant! At that rate, it would only take 140 years to make up the economic output we've lost because of the sharp downturn in our economy since the 2016 vote.

Happy days!

[BillyStubbsTears]

And here's the final act of the play.
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-tory-leadership-race-lead_uk_5cf54ee7e4b0e346ce826899?kyr

This is your next PM.

Remember, you lot who voted Leave. THIS is what it was all about.

f**k all to do with taking back control.

All about Boris's ambitions.

Cameron's insecurity about Boris leading a Eurosceptic challenge from the right was the reason we had a referendum in the first place.

Then, remember this. Remember this about the man who passionately led the Leave campaign, shouting "Take Back Control". The man you lot supported.

Remember this.

When the referendum was called, he went silent for two weeks.

Do you know what he was doing?

He was holed up with his closest advisers, war gaming whether supporting Leave or Remain would be better for his chances of becoming PM.

He wrote two impassioned speeches.

One supporting Leave.

One supporting Remain.

Remember  that over the next decade as our economy gently declines relative to the rest of the world. Remember as money is taken out of your pensions and your grandkids' schools.

Remember what it was all about. And how you were played by an Eton and Bullingdon schemer.

[DonnyOsmond]

And here's the final act of the play.
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-tory-leadership-race-lead_uk_5cf54ee7e4b0e346ce826899?kyr

This is your next PM.

Remember, you lot who voted Leave. THIS is what it was all about.

f**k all to do with taking back control.

All about Boris's ambitions.

Cameron's insecurity about Boris leading a Eurosceptic challenge from the right was the reason we had a referendum in the first place.

Then, remember this. Remember this about the man who passionately led the Leave campaign, shouting "Take Back Control". The man you lot supported.

Remember this.

When the referendum was called, he went silent for two weeks.

Do you know what he was doing?

He was holed up with his closest advisers, war gaming whether supporting Leave or Remain would be better for his chances of becoming PM.

He wrote two impassioned speeches.

One supporting Leave.

One supporting Remain.

Remember  that over the next decade as our economy gently declines relative to the rest of the world. Remember as money is taken out of your pensions and your grandkids' schools.

Remember what it was all about. And how you were played by an Eton and Bullingdon schemer.

Yeah but sovereignty

[Glyn_Wigley]

20% of the fish we collect aren't from UK waters. If they're fish don't native to us and perhaps to e.g. the Mediterranean then some nice tariffs on then. Also, 80% of the fish we collect is sold on to other countries, of the top 5 of those countries 4 of the are in the EU. Some of the fisheries laws the EU have ended up making the cod numbers increase after reducing for decades. So all in all, we don't need that many fish and if they want some they'll go to the cheapest seller and seeing as these fish aren't only in our waters, they're in Norwegian, Swedish, Dutch and German waters they'll find competitors.

60% of eu fish stocks are in U.K. And Eire waters!

Who told you that, Leave.EU?

[Glyn_Wigley]

And here's the final act of the play.
https://m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/boris-johnson-tory-leadership-race-lead_uk_5cf54ee7e4b0e346ce826899?kyr

This is your next PM.

Remember, you lot who voted Leave. THIS is what it was all about.

f**k all to do with taking back control.

All about Boris's ambitions.

Cameron's insecurity about Boris leading a Eurosceptic challenge from the right was the reason we had a referendum in the first place.

Then, remember this. Remember this about the man who passionately led the Leave campaign, shouting "Take Back Control". The man you lot supported.

Remember this.

When the referendum was called, he went silent for two weeks.

Do you know what he was doing?

He was holed up with his closest advisers, war gaming whether supporting Leave or Remain would be better for his chances of becoming PM.

He wrote two impassioned speeches.

One supporting Leave.

One supporting Remain.

Remember  that over the next decade as our economy gently declines relative to the rest of the world. Remember as money is taken out of your pensions and your grandkids' schools.

Remember what it was all about. And how you were played by an Eton and Bullingdon schemer.

Yeah but sovereignty

Sovereignty, eh?

https://www.sustainweb.org/news/feb19_fish_QandA/

[foxbat]

good analysis there BST. save a copy to repost in a couple of years time , if the county persists with this lunacy, for the ' we won - get over it ' brigade to ponder.

[wilts rover]

Fair play to all those Brexiteers who said the German car industry would loose jobs over Brexit, well fair play to you - you were right again. Ford is closing its engine plant at Bridgend with the loss of 2000 jobs. Congratulations.

https://www.ft.com/content/7901282a-87b6-11e9-97ea-05ac2431f453

[DonnyOsmond]

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1136517706243424256?s=19

This guy's a traitor to Brexit.

[SydneyRover]

The most ignored leaving deal is Lexit. I am sick of being stuck with tags of association with "Tommy" Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon "Robinson" of EDL and UKIP infamy. No I wasn't too thick and therefore was taken in by phony immigration threats. I know the EU is not reformable and is a rich right wing club. Interestingly French train drivers are up in arms about plans to privatise SNCF as its all about market competition. We need a system where we can renationalise rail, water gas and electric - all popular with the public mood (train fares rising again in January to subsidise rail franchise profiteers- including the Dutch and German state railways).

''And if you think the EU protects workers rights you are dreaming back in the era of Delores, as consecutive UK, with no intervention from the EU,  governments have  eroded them further. We need to leave with the best deal possible for UK workers and rights''

I thought Brexit was taking back control sovereignty and all that? but here you are claiming that the EU hasn't got control, you can't have it both ways Sheff.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Fair play to all those Brexiteers who said the German car industry would loose jobs over Brexit, well fair play to you - you were right again. Ford is closing its engine plant at Bridgend with the loss of 2000 jobs. Congratulations.

https://www.ft.com/content/7901282a-87b6-11e9-97ea-05ac2431f453

And in March Ford announced it was making 5000 redundancies in Germany and closing a factory in France.

[i_ateallthepies]

https://twitter.com/JamesMelville/status/1136517706243424256?s=19

This guy's a traitor to Brexit.

Yea, that lying t**t Cameron, alluding to the increased risk to the peace we have enjoyed for the last 70 years if we were to leave Europe.  Lying scheming t**t!!  What the f**k does he know!!!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Pies.

Hang on. Hang on.

You're wrong there. Cameron didn't say that. He said that if we voted Leave, we would have WWIII. I know he said that because several people on here have insisted that he said that.

[Donnywolf]

As D P Gumby once said (at least I think it was him) "My brain hurts"

[SydneyRover]

''https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/06/next-tory-pm-will-not-be-able-to-suspend-parliament-bercow''

''Speaker says it is ‘blindingly obvious’ that no-deal Brexit cannot happen without vote''

I would think this finally kills off a no-deal wreckit.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/06/next-tory-pm-will-not-be-able-to-suspend-parliament-bercow

''Brexit: John Bercow rejects ending Commons session to force no deal''

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-48541352

[bpoolrover]

Fair play to all those Brexiteers who said the German car industry would loose jobs over Brexit, well fair play to you - you were right again. Ford is closing its engine plant at Bridgend with the loss of 2000 jobs. Congratulations.

https://www.ft.com/content/7901282a-87b6-11e9-97ea-05ac2431f453

Have ford not said it’s nothing to do with brexit?

[SydneyRover]

Fair play to all those Brexiteers who said the German car industry would loose jobs over Brexit, well fair play to you - you were right again. Ford is closing its engine plant at Bridgend with the loss of 2000 jobs. Congratulations.

https://www.ft.com/content/7901282a-87b6-11e9-97ea-05ac2431f453

Have ford not said it’s nothing to do with brexit?

''The former Wales first minister Carwyn Jones, the assembly member for Bridgend, turned up at the plant to offer support to sacked workers. He believes the threat of a no-deal Brexit has played a part in Ford’s decision''

“I think the worry of the impact of a no deal has played its part. It might have made Ford reassess its investment strategy in the UK. That’s the tragedy for the workers. All that is happening in Westminster, the climate it creates, has an outcome for the workers here. My focus now is to keep this plant open if at all possible. I’ll fight for it.”

With an ever dwindling amount of money in people's pockets due to brexit coma and Austrerity it's no wonder ford are pulling out BP

[Herbert Anchovy]

Ford say the closure was part if a restructuring plan  across Europe, workers interviewed yesterday on telly said the closure had been expected for a decade, industry analysts commented that the move to electric cars meant fewer engines were needed and Ford are making redundancies and closures across Europe. To blame this (and it seems every other business closure) on Brexit is wrong but unfortunately to be expected in some quarters

[Herbert Anchovy]

Fair play to all those Brexiteers who said the German car industry would loose jobs over Brexit, well fair play to you - you were right again. Ford is closing its engine plant at Bridgend with the loss of 2000 jobs. Congratulations.

https://www.ft.com/content/7901282a-87b6-11e9-97ea-05ac2431f453

Have ford not said it’s nothing to do with brexit?

''The former Wales first minister Carwyn Jones, the assembly member for Bridgend, turned up at the plant to offer support to sacked workers. He believes the threat of a no-deal Brexit has played a part in Ford’s decision''

“I think the worry of the impact of a no deal has played its part. It might have made Ford reassess its investment strategy in the UK. That’s the tragedy for the workers. All that is happening in Westminster, the climate it creates, has an outcome for the workers here. My focus now is to keep this plant open if at all possible. I’ll fight for it.”

With an ever dwindling amount of money in people's pockets due to brexit coma and Austrerity it's no wonder ford are pulling out BP

Stuart Rowley, President of Ford Europe “This action has nothing to do with Brexit and the simple way to think of it is, if Brexit had never happened would there be a different decision, and the answer to that is no.”

Remainers: “I don’t believe it.”

[SydneyRover]

Fair play to all those Brexiteers who said the German car industry would loose jobs over Brexit, well fair play to you - you were right again. Ford is closing its engine plant at Bridgend with the loss of 2000 jobs. Congratulations.

https://www.ft.com/content/7901282a-87b6-11e9-97ea-05ac2431f453

Have ford not said it’s nothing to do with brexit?

''The former Wales first minister Carwyn Jones, the assembly member for Bridgend, turned up at the plant to offer support to sacked workers. He believes the threat of a no-deal Brexit has played a part in Ford’s decision''

“I think the worry of the impact of a no deal has played its part. It might have made Ford reassess its investment strategy in the UK. That’s the tragedy for the workers. All that is happening in Westminster, the climate it creates, has an outcome for the workers here. My focus now is to keep this plant open if at all possible. I’ll fight for it.”

With an ever dwindling amount of money in people's pockets due to brexit coma and Austrerity it's no wonder ford are pulling out BP

Stuart Rowley, President of Ford Europe “This action has nothing to do with Brexit and the simple way to think of it is, if Brexit had never happened would there be a different decision, and the answer to that is no.”

Remainers: “I don’t believe it.”

So the economy has nothing to do with the ''restructuring"?

[SydneyRover]

Brexit: stop talking up no-deal, Tory leadership candidates told:

''Human rights organisation, workers’ unions, representatives of rural communities and a dozen other organisations are writing to all the candidates to succeed Theresa May to warn them no deal would have a “devastating impact” on the social cohesion in border areas''

''Louise Coyle, director of the Northern Ireland Rural Women’s Network and one of the signatories to the statement, says:

''members feel that Westminster politicians “have very little understanding” of Northern Ireland, with supporters of a no-deal Brexit – such as members of the European Research Group – devising plans for “alternative arrangements”:

''THAT HAVE NO BASIS IN REALITY''

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/07/stop-talking-up-no-deal-brexit-tory-leadership-candidates-told


We get back to that nagging question over and over again, in who's best interest is brexit, the proponents or you?

[Not Now Kato]

Fair play to all those Brexiteers who said the German car industry would loose jobs over Brexit, well fair play to you - you were right again. Ford is closing its engine plant at Bridgend with the loss of 2000 jobs. Congratulations.

https://www.ft.com/content/7901282a-87b6-11e9-97ea-05ac2431f453

Have ford not said it’s nothing to do with brexit?

''The former Wales first minister Carwyn Jones, the assembly member for Bridgend, turned up at the plant to offer support to sacked workers. He believes the threat of a no-deal Brexit has played a part in Ford’s decision''

“I think the worry of the impact of a no deal has played its part. It might have made Ford reassess its investment strategy in the UK. That’s the tragedy for the workers. All that is happening in Westminster, the climate it creates, has an outcome for the workers here. My focus now is to keep this plant open if at all possible. I’ll fight for it.”

With an ever dwindling amount of money in people's pockets due to brexit coma and Austrerity it's no wonder ford are pulling out BP

Stuart Rowley, President of Ford Europe “This action has nothing to do with Brexit and the simple way to think of it is, if Brexit had never happened would there be a different decision, and the answer to that is no.”

Remainers: “I don’t believe it.”

You're absolutely right HA, Brexit had nothing whatsoever to do with that decision.  In fact, Brexit has had nothing to do with British Steel or indeed any of the other ills that have befallen the UK since the vote to leave.
 
We are also going to give the NHS the £350M a week we send to the EU, it said so on the side of a bus, and BJ said so too.
 
The reason our GDP is lower than it should be is nothing to do with Brexit, Farage said so.
 
In fact all our problems are down to the EU.  It's all their fault. We should leave, now.  And if things get worse it either would have happened anyway or it will be the fault of the EU - I read it all in the Daily Mail.

[Herbert Anchovy]

Fair play to all those Brexiteers who said the German car industry would loose jobs over Brexit, well fair play to you - you were right again. Ford is closing its engine plant at Bridgend with the loss of 2000 jobs. Congratulations.

https://www.ft.com/content/7901282a-87b6-11e9-97ea-05ac2431f453

Have ford not said it’s nothing to do with brexit?

''The former Wales first minister Carwyn Jones, the assembly member for Bridgend, turned up at the plant to offer support to sacked workers. He believes the threat of a no-deal Brexit has played a part in Ford’s decision''

“I think the worry of the impact of a no deal has played its part. It might have made Ford reassess its investment strategy in the UK. That’s the tragedy for the workers. All that is happening in Westminster, the climate it creates, has an outcome for the workers here. My focus now is to keep this plant open if at all possible. I’ll fight for it.”

With an ever dwindling amount of money in people's pockets due to brexit coma and Austrerity it's no wonder ford are pulling out BP

Stuart Rowley, President of Ford Europe “This action has nothing to do with Brexit and the simple way to think of it is, if Brexit had never happened would there be a different decision, and the answer to that is no.”

Remainers: “I don’t believe it.”

You're absolutely right HA, Brexit had nothing whatsoever to do with that decision.  In fact, Brexit has had nothing to do with British Steel or indeed any of the other ills that have befallen the UK since the vote to leave.
 
We are also going to give the NHS the £350M a week we send to the EU, it said so on the side of a bus, and BJ said so too.
 
The reason our GDP is lower than it should be is nothing to do with Brexit, Farage said so.
 
In fact all our problems are down to the EU.  It's all their fault. We should leave, now.  And if things get worse it either would have happened anyway or it will be the fault of the EU - I read it all in the Daily Mail.

NNK

Come on! Look at it this way

The Head of Ford Europe says it’s not Brexit
The workers said this has been in the cards for years
Industry commentators say this is due to worldwide economics and changing demand
Even larger redundancies are taking place across Europe

And yet, despite this you insist on blaming Brexit? Tell me, who did you blame in 2005 when MG Longbridge closed?

Look, if Brexit was to blame then I’d be absolutely holding that candle. But it isn’t and that’s that

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's clearly not Brexit that has led to this, but the ongoing slowdown in sales of conventional engine cars.