Brexit deal

[wilts rover]

This evening the government has halted it's no deal preparations.

To date it has spent around £2 billion (that is £30 per person) of your money on something that is not going to happen.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall

[SydneyRover]

Can someone with a better understanding explain what the ramifications of the EU saying they will not renegotiate the WA, does this mean that if parliament is unhappy with aspects of it they have to accept them or reject it holus-bolus?

Can parliament debate the WA without the cooperation of the tories?

[bpoolrover]

This evening the government has halted it's no deal preparations.

To date it has spent around £2 billion (that is £30 per person) of your money on something that is not going to happen.

https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall

if people had voted mays deal it would have been a lot less shame on them mps

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Can someone with a better understanding explain what the ramifications of the EU saying they will not renegotiate the WA, does this mean that if parliament is unhappy with aspects of it they have to accept them or reject it holus-bolus?

Can parliament debate the WA without the cooperation of the tories?

No, the government sets the agenda on the debate.  If they do not push it forward it wont be debated.

The deal is two way isn't it? If the eu say no its deal or no deal with either leave or remain.

Of course I wouldnt believe the eu wont change their view if government changes.

[SydneyRover]

Thanks bfyp

[SydneyRover]

Here you go brexiters your propaganda awaits

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/oct/30/jingle-polls-how-the-papers-covered-johnsons-december-election

Murdoch & Co will get Brexit done!

[bpoolrover]

Here you go brexiters your propaganda awaits

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/oct/30/jingle-polls-how-the-papers-covered-johnsons-december-election

Murdoch & Co will get Brexit done!

thank you I like the guardian

[DonnyOsmond]

Here you go brexiters your propaganda awaits

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/oct/30/jingle-polls-how-the-papers-covered-johnsons-december-election

Murdoch & Co will get Brexit done!

The Daily Mail aren't even trying to hide their agenda.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Neither are the mirror.....  the printed press being biased is not news.

[SydneyRover]

If you thought Cameron was a feckless tw#t then there is an absolute goldmine of stupidity from the tory camp running up to the decision to have the vote, the vote and May's election, here's a sample of 'hindsight' from prince George, have your nosepeg at the ready.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-46039623

[SydneyRover]

Neither are the mirror.....  the printed press being biased is not news.

Of course there's more to the story

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2017/03/07/how-left-or-right-wing-are-uks-newspapers

[BillyStubbsTears]

Jesus.

In that survey, 39-49% of people didn't know what the political ideology of the different papers were.

That is a staggering finding. So people are getting their news from the Express or the Mail and having no clue as to the political intentions of their owners and editors.

Frightening.

[bpoolrover]

it would depend if they were interested in politics or not I suppose, many people buy papers and skip the political stuff and go straight to things of interest, same goes for other subjects of course

[bpoolrover]

And to be honest they can’t read the paper very well if they don’t no there biased

[BillyStubbsTears]

it would depend if they were interested in politics or not I suppose, many people buy papers and skip the political stuff and go straight to things of interest, same goes for other subjects of course

And that's how it works Bpool.

Those papers KNOW that most folk are bored by politics. They want to get to the tits and togger stories.

But folk DO notice the headlines as they flick through.

 So the newspaper staff  write headlines which tell a clear story.  Even if it's wrong. They write a story saying "Corbyn eats baby" and folk flick past it saying "Tut...worra Kitson."

And deep down in the text they tell you that Corbyn was actually seen eating baby sweetcorn.

[SydneyRover]

ere Marge, is it called it yellow press cos they're scared to tell us the truth? no George luv is cos they're pissing 'emselves while they write it.


https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_journalism

[SydneyRover]

''Great Barrier Reef: scientists find high levels of pesticides and blast chemical regulator. Pesticides found in reef catchment include Atrazine, a herbicide banned in 60 countries''

“More than 80 of the active ingredients registered for use in Australia are prohibited by the 27 member countries of the European Union,” the study says. “This includes 17 pesticides that are known to be or likely or probable to be carcinogens and 48 pesticides flagged as potential endocrine [hormone] disruptors.

“More than 20 are classified as either extremely or highly hazardous by the World Health Organisation. Three of the pesticides are subject to actions by international conventions but are still used in Australia.”

Trade deal with Oz anyone?

[SydneyRover]

Can UK get 'super Canada-plus' trade deal with EU by end of 2020?

It took Canada 7 years. Average for trade deal is 4 years.

Claim
Boris Johnson declared Britain can have a “super Canada-plus” free trade agreement with the EU and by the end of 2020 and that “there is no need” for political alignment.

Background
Johnson issued the statement on Twitter on Sunday afternoon. Many believe it was part of a behind-the-scenes pact with the Brexit party that led to Nigel Farage’s party standing down 317 candidates in the election, though this has been denied.

‘’Johnson’s words are a statement of intent, but his ambition could be thwarted be some unknowns – an unfavourable election result, negotiation challenges and time.

Time is his most pressing concern. Trade talks cannot legally begin until the UK leaves the EU, which is currently scheduled for 31 January. Because the scheduled transition period expires at the end of December 2020, this leaves just 11 months to negotiate a deal that Canada took seven years to complete.

Theresa May had originally envisaged talks talking two years. Experts say that on average, it takes 48 months to negotiate any trade deal.’’

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/12/can-uk-get-brexit-super-canada-plus-trade-deal-with-eu-by-end-of-2020

[BillyStubbsTears]

And there's a massive issue for the EU.

If they give us preferential terms, the other nations and groups that they have spent decades negotiating terms with (Canada, Japan, South Korea, MERCOSUR) will be watching like hawks and wanting similar benefits.

[SydneyRover]

''EU launches legal action after UK fails to nominate commission candidate

British taxpayers face paying out for a large fine after the EU launched a legal action against Boris Johnson’s government over his failure to abide by the law and nominate a candidate for the new European commission.

Despite knowing for weeks that the UK would remain in the EU beyond 31 October, when a new EU executive had been due to be in place, Downing Street failed to put someone forward to join the bloc’s 28-strong top team''

Apparently he's been too busy touring flood affected areas 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/14/uk-not-nominate-eu-commissioner-before-general-election-european-commission

[SydneyRover]

''Ann Widdecombe 'was offered Brexit talks role to stand down as Farage candidate'

Exclusive: Brexit party leader claims other candidates were offered seats in Lords in move that ‘borders on corruption’''

Farage takes a dump on the Tories and all hell breaks loose, a month's a long time in politics 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/14/nigel-farage-says-he-is-unlikely-to-vote-for-any-party-in-election

[SydneyRover]

The National Institute of Economic & Social Research

the first 2 paras are taken from the full article  (see link)

''On this basis, we estimate that in the long run the UK economy would be 3½ per cent smaller under the new deal compared to continued EU membership''

''Despite the name, trade typically does not move ‘freely’ under FTAs and UK businesses will experience many more frictions in trading with the EU than they do now. These frictions include non-tariff barriers such as customs and rules of origin requirements, regulatory burdens and barriers to market entry such as the loss of passporting in financial services''

''On 17 October 2019, the UK government and its EU counterparts concluded a renegotiation of the previous withdrawal agreement and political declaration which sets out the framework for their future relationship. The government hoped that this would enable the UK to leave the EU on 31 October 2019 and then, after a transition period lasting to the end of 2020, trade with the EU under a free trade agreement (FTA) while negotiating new trading arrangements with other countries.

This box sets out estimates of the economic effects of the deal on the basis that an FTA is in place at the beginning of 2021. On this basis, we estimate that in the long run the UK economy would be 3½ per cent smaller under the new deal compared to continued EU membership. The estimated effect is very uncertain. It is similar to our estimate of the deal proposed by Mrs May's government (Hantzsche, Kara and Young, 2018) because both involve an exit from the EU's single market and customs union. It is at the lower end of the range of estimates provided by UK in a Changing Europe (2019) in their analysis of Prime Minister Johnson's Brexit proposals. It is also somewhat smaller than the 4.9 per cent loss of GDP estimated in the government's published analysis of the effect of an average FTA (HM Government, 2018). The Chancellor has declined to update the government's analysis.1''

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/002795011925000104

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It's likely you bst and Wilts and maybe others have already read and quoted from this

[Glyn_Wigley]

The National Institute of Economic & Social Research

the first 2 paras are taken from the full article  (see link)

''On this basis, we estimate that in the long run the UK economy would be 3½ per cent smaller under the new deal compared to continued EU membership''

''Despite the name, trade typically does not move ‘freely’ under FTAs and UK businesses will experience many more frictions in trading with the EU than they do now. These frictions include non-tariff barriers such as customs and rules of origin requirements, regulatory burdens and barriers to market entry such as the loss of passporting in financial services''

''On 17 October 2019, the UK government and its EU counterparts concluded a renegotiation of the previous withdrawal agreement and political declaration which sets out the framework for their future relationship. The government hoped that this would enable the UK to leave the EU on 31 October 2019 and then, after a transition period lasting to the end of 2020, trade with the EU under a free trade agreement (FTA) while negotiating new trading arrangements with other countries.

This box sets out estimates of the economic effects of the deal on the basis that an FTA is in place at the beginning of 2021. On this basis, we estimate that in the long run the UK economy would be 3½ per cent smaller under the new deal compared to continued EU membership. The estimated effect is very uncertain. It is similar to our estimate of the deal proposed by Mrs May's government (Hantzsche, Kara and Young, 2018) because both involve an exit from the EU's single market and customs union. It is at the lower end of the range of estimates provided by UK in a Changing Europe (2019) in their analysis of Prime Minister Johnson's Brexit proposals. It is also somewhat smaller than the 4.9 per cent loss of GDP estimated in the government's published analysis of the effect of an average FTA (HM Government, 2018). The Chancellor has declined to update the government's analysis.1''

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/002795011925000104

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It's likely you bst and Wilts and maybe others have already read and quoted from this

I've known and explained this right from the start but according to one gobshite in particular on this forum I couldn't possibly know anything because it would be in the future.

[bpoolrover]

So one of the eu red lines is freedom of movement, labour will now abandon that and re negotiate migration rules within the eu, let’s see how they get on with that,andrew Marr asked corbyn 4 times if he personally wants to leave the eu and no reply! Why can’t he just be honest?

[SydneyRover]

So one of the eu red lines is freedom of movement, labour will now abandon that and re negotiate migration rules within the eu, let’s see how they get on with that,andrew Marr asked corbyn 4 times if he personally wants to leave the eu and no reply! Why can’t he just be honest?

Here's what Corbyn actually said compared with what's written above.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50449039

[BillyStubbsTears]

https://twitter.com/julie4nw/status/1196724489113030656

The Govt has not conducted, and has no plans to conduct any analysis of the effect of leaving the EU on the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement that Johnson negotiated.

I'll write that again, because I'm not sure I believed it at all possible that this was true, the first time I wrote it.

The Govt has not conducted, and has no plans to conduct any analysis of the effect of leaving the EU on the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement that Johnson negotiated.

That is...just beyond staggering. I conduct an analysis of the consequences of changing my mortgage and my pension arrangements.

But the Govt has not conducted, and has no plans to conduct any analysis of the effect of leaving the EU on the terms of the Withdrawal Agreement that Johnson negotiated.

[SydneyRover]

Any brexiteers want to break this down for us?

''We'll make Ireland leave EU as well:" Doncaster MP hopeful comes up with 'Brexit solution'
An independent candidate standing in Doncaster at the General Election says he will solve Brexit – by forcing Ireland to leave the EU as well with the UK paying the funding it would lose instead.''

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/well-make-ireland-leave-eu-well-doncaster-mp-hopeful-comes-brexit-solution-1312441

Eddie Todd is also appearing at the comedy festival later this year 

[wing commander]

The best interview I've heard on a second referendum...

https://twitter.com/itvtynetees/status/1197560606494281729

There are no words...

[BillyStubbsTears]

Christ that is a car crash interview.

[wing commander]

Billy sometimes it does worry me what kind of people we put in a position of power,whatever the party..

Normally this one would make me quite mad,but frankly i just had to laugh...