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Quote from: Muttley on December 07, 2018, 07:03:27 pmQuote from: Boomstick on December 07, 2018, 09:44:58 amQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 07, 2018, 09:35:29 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on December 06, 2018, 07:12:05 pmSo it's a bit like saying last July that more Rovers' season tickets would have been sold had it not been for the likelihood of a disastrous season brought on by the appointment of Grant McCann. Had season tickets been undersold as a result McCann's appointment it would have been merely because of his appointment and not his actual effect on the team.Who knows, with the extra backing of the doubters perhaps the extra season ticket sales would have made him even more successful.I believe many remainers want Britain to fail so they can say 'I told you so'. If people had started from a position of wanting Britain to succeed rather than rubbishing the nation at every verse end, and telling us how much we need the EU things may have been better. The EU have sensed the weakness and division in Britain and used it to their advantage.The result should have been accepted and everyone should have pulled together, instead of the treacherous sabotage of the likes of the vile Gina Miller and her big business cronies. Such people do not care a jot about the British working class.NAIL ON HEAD . Remoaners bleet on about treason. But I say it's THEM that's being treasonous by trying to derail brexit. Much more damaging. I said along time ago, this is a time when we should all pull in the same direction for the good of our country. Good of the country?Every single economic forecast says that Brexit will damage the country. Surely if we're pulling together for the good of the country, then we should all be pulling for Remaining in the EU.No, we voted to LEAVE. it's HAPPENING. the sooner remainers accept this, then we can all pull in the same direction for the good of our country.
Quote from: Boomstick on December 07, 2018, 09:44:58 amQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 07, 2018, 09:35:29 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on December 06, 2018, 07:12:05 pmSo it's a bit like saying last July that more Rovers' season tickets would have been sold had it not been for the likelihood of a disastrous season brought on by the appointment of Grant McCann. Had season tickets been undersold as a result McCann's appointment it would have been merely because of his appointment and not his actual effect on the team.Who knows, with the extra backing of the doubters perhaps the extra season ticket sales would have made him even more successful.I believe many remainers want Britain to fail so they can say 'I told you so'. If people had started from a position of wanting Britain to succeed rather than rubbishing the nation at every verse end, and telling us how much we need the EU things may have been better. The EU have sensed the weakness and division in Britain and used it to their advantage.The result should have been accepted and everyone should have pulled together, instead of the treacherous sabotage of the likes of the vile Gina Miller and her big business cronies. Such people do not care a jot about the British working class.NAIL ON HEAD . Remoaners bleet on about treason. But I say it's THEM that's being treasonous by trying to derail brexit. Much more damaging. I said along time ago, this is a time when we should all pull in the same direction for the good of our country. Good of the country?Every single economic forecast says that Brexit will damage the country. Surely if we're pulling together for the good of the country, then we should all be pulling for Remaining in the EU.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 07, 2018, 09:35:29 amQuote from: Bentley Bullet on December 06, 2018, 07:12:05 pmSo it's a bit like saying last July that more Rovers' season tickets would have been sold had it not been for the likelihood of a disastrous season brought on by the appointment of Grant McCann. Had season tickets been undersold as a result McCann's appointment it would have been merely because of his appointment and not his actual effect on the team.Who knows, with the extra backing of the doubters perhaps the extra season ticket sales would have made him even more successful.I believe many remainers want Britain to fail so they can say 'I told you so'. If people had started from a position of wanting Britain to succeed rather than rubbishing the nation at every verse end, and telling us how much we need the EU things may have been better. The EU have sensed the weakness and division in Britain and used it to their advantage.The result should have been accepted and everyone should have pulled together, instead of the treacherous sabotage of the likes of the vile Gina Miller and her big business cronies. Such people do not care a jot about the British working class.NAIL ON HEAD . Remoaners bleet on about treason. But I say it's THEM that's being treasonous by trying to derail brexit. Much more damaging. I said along time ago, this is a time when we should all pull in the same direction for the good of our country.
Quote from: Bentley Bullet on December 06, 2018, 07:12:05 pmSo it's a bit like saying last July that more Rovers' season tickets would have been sold had it not been for the likelihood of a disastrous season brought on by the appointment of Grant McCann. Had season tickets been undersold as a result McCann's appointment it would have been merely because of his appointment and not his actual effect on the team.Who knows, with the extra backing of the doubters perhaps the extra season ticket sales would have made him even more successful.I believe many remainers want Britain to fail so they can say 'I told you so'. If people had started from a position of wanting Britain to succeed rather than rubbishing the nation at every verse end, and telling us how much we need the EU things may have been better. The EU have sensed the weakness and division in Britain and used it to their advantage.The result should have been accepted and everyone should have pulled together, instead of the treacherous sabotage of the likes of the vile Gina Miller and her big business cronies. Such people do not care a jot about the British working class.
So it's a bit like saying last July that more Rovers' season tickets would have been sold had it not been for the likelihood of a disastrous season brought on by the appointment of Grant McCann. Had season tickets been undersold as a result McCann's appointment it would have been merely because of his appointment and not his actual effect on the team.Who knows, with the extra backing of the doubters perhaps the extra season ticket sales would have made him even more successful.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 07, 2018, 03:04:54 pmBBAre you suggesting that an organisation of nearly 500 million should make fundamental changes because of the attitudes of 17 million people, many of whom don't actually seem to know what it does?Don't take this the wrong way, but who are the likes of Malta, Luxembourg, Lithuania and the rest to dictate too us? Some pay in and some take out...
BBAre you suggesting that an organisation of nearly 500 million should make fundamental changes because of the attitudes of 17 million people, many of whom don't actually seem to know what it does?
So you want the EU to do away with freedom of movement?
Heard this on radio 4 this morning, unfortunately did not catch the name of the chap speaking but he suggested a way forward which would maybe be acceptable to all and break through the current stalemateHe suggested a second referendum, but only a referendum on how we leave.The first referendum result stands and we still leave, however the second one is a decision between no deal, deal, etc. Maybe a way forward, as at the moment no-one is happy, at least this way everyone thinks they are gaining something?Stands back and prepares for verbal assault.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 08, 2018, 10:29:16 amHeard this on radio 4 this morning, unfortunately did not catch the name of the chap speaking but he suggested a way forward which would maybe be acceptable to all and break through the current stalemateHe suggested a second referendum, but only a referendum on how we leave.The first referendum result stands and we still leave, however the second one is a decision between no deal, deal, etc. Maybe a way forward, as at the moment no-one is happy, at least this way everyone thinks they are gaining something?Stands back and prepares for verbal assault. Cracking idea, let's see the remainers moan about that
So just to confirm you do not respect the result of REF1 and would only vote in REF2 if it allows you to get your own way regardless of what was voted for earlier.Very interesting take on democracy you have. So despite the winning side of REF1 offering you a choice in the final outcome it is still not good enough for you. You want it all your own way or no way. How do you react when Donny get beaten, do you demand a replay every time?In life you win some and you lose some, but then you just have to get on with it.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 08, 2018, 10:59:15 amSo just to confirm you do not respect the result of REF1 and would only vote in REF2 if it allows you to get your own way regardless of what was voted for earlier.Very interesting take on democracy you have. So despite the winning side of REF1 offering you a choice in the final outcome it is still not good enough for you. You want it all your own way or no way. How do you react when Donny get beaten, do you demand a replay every time?In life you win some and you lose some, but then you just have to get on with it.I respect the result of any vote. Until it gets superceded. Just like every other vote we hold in this country.Having said that, as the Tories 'won' the last General Election, would you respect the next General Election result if the only options then allowed on the ballot paper were Conservative and the DUP?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on December 08, 2018, 11:08:15 amQuote from: Axholme Lion on December 08, 2018, 10:59:15 amSo just to confirm you do not respect the result of REF1 and would only vote in REF2 if it allows you to get your own way regardless of what was voted for earlier.Very interesting take on democracy you have. So despite the winning side of REF1 offering you a choice in the final outcome it is still not good enough for you. You want it all your own way or no way. How do you react when Donny get beaten, do you demand a replay every time?In life you win some and you lose some, but then you just have to get on with it.I respect the result of any vote. Until it gets superceded. Just like every other vote we hold in this country.Having said that, as the Tories 'won' the last General Election, would you respect the next General Election result if the only options then allowed on the ballot paper were Conservative and the DUP?I thought your lot said it was a once in a lifetime vote?
I would say count the Votes of the 1975 Referendum first where 66% voted to Remain and only 33% voted to Leave (including me). Only those still living would countThat result has not been respected by (mainly) Conservative MPS - but even though I lost on that occassion I respected the fact that 66% to 33% was indeed a huge majorityHowever times change - people die - new Voters come along - in fact new Voters have come along since the 2016 Vote - and of course Tory Leavers have never respected the 1975 Result and eventually got their way and got a Second ReferendumFor me - I dont give a s**t what happens now but the one thing I do despair at is people like May and Rudd and Lidington and lots of ordinary people just like me chorusing the line "we must respect the Result of the Referendum" or saying "you lost get over it" without a trace of irony about 1975 ** I voted the wrong way then but it still rankles me because it is still just brushed aside as though it was so far back in history like the Domesday Book or Magna Carta or the Wars of the Roses that it has no validity whatsoever - when in fact it was just over 40 years since
It's hard work BB. If you want controls in immigration from the EU then yes, you want an end to freedom of movement.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 08, 2018, 11:04:42 amIt's hard work BB. If you want controls in immigration from the EU then yes, you want an end to freedom of movement. I want controls In the freedom of movement. Don't you?
ALYOUR lot said repeatedly during the campaign that Brexit would mean we'd be like Norway and Switzerland. And that we'd be £350m/week better off. And that we held all the cards in negotiations. And that 80 million Turks were about to descend on the UK. Here's a thought. Why don't we put to one side what anyone said in 2016 and start thinking like grown ups about where we are now?
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 08, 2018, 11:24:28 amALYOUR lot said repeatedly during the campaign that Brexit would mean we'd be like Norway and Switzerland. And that we'd be £350m/week better off. And that we held all the cards in negotiations. And that 80 million Turks were about to descend on the UK. Here's a thought. Why don't we put to one side what anyone said in 2016 and start thinking like grown ups about where we are now?Look, I know I come over over the top on here, but i'm only taking the wee wee (most of the time ), but I think brushing aside a referendum held just two years ago is a bit strong, and in my opinion comes over as 'We'll keep voting until we get the right result'. It's all a bit banana republic.The result of REF1 must be upheld or millions such as myself would not bother taking part in the democratic process any longer. Is that really what we want? In all votes there are winners and losers, I believe the idea on REF2 being about how we leave would help bring together both sides of the argument and help heal the rift in the country. There you have it, AL the voice of reconciliation. Both sides give something, both sides get something. You can't say fairer than that. Next problem please? I ought to be in government except i'm not bent enough.
Do you mean as opposed to heavily pregnant?
Quote from: Axholme Lion on December 08, 2018, 11:41:08 amQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on December 08, 2018, 11:24:28 amALYOUR lot said repeatedly during the campaign that Brexit would mean we'd be like Norway and Switzerland. And that we'd be £350m/week better off. And that we held all the cards in negotiations. And that 80 million Turks were about to descend on the UK. Here's a thought. Why don't we put to one side what anyone said in 2016 and start thinking like grown ups about where we are now?Look, I know I come over over the top on here, but i'm only taking the wee wee (most of the time ), but I think brushing aside a referendum held just two years ago is a bit strong, and in my opinion comes over as 'We'll keep voting until we get the right result'. It's all a bit banana republic.The result of REF1 must be upheld or millions such as myself would not bother taking part in the democratic process any longer. Is that really what we want? In all votes there are winners and losers, I believe the idea on REF2 being about how we leave would help bring together both sides of the argument and help heal the rift in the country. There you have it, AL the voice of reconciliation. Both sides give something, both sides get something. You can't say fairer than that. Next problem please? I ought to be in government except i'm not bent enough.If a Parliament composed of MPs elected in 2017 - AFTER the referendum - vote down Brexit, shouldn't the 2017 General Election result be 'respected' more than a vote that took place before it?
BBThen you want the EU to remove one of the key pillars of the Single Market, right?