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Quote from: SydneyRover on January 03, 2019, 06:29:14 amQuote from: Sprotyrover on January 01, 2019, 12:29:55 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on January 01, 2019, 09:42:33 am''Don’t expect Brexit to give us a British Alexander Hamilton''https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/31/brexit-british-alexander-hamilton-revolutionariesPS if you're mistakenly pissed off over thinking we are being badly treated by the EU, you ain't seen nothing yet if we do leave.What a load of twaddleThe point I'm trying to make here, well or not is that if anyone is thinking we will be in a better bargaining position with the EU following any type of brexit is going to sadly disappointed, happy for you to explain how this will not be true Wilts.Well I could have a go Sydney but I would only be playing devil's advocate as I think you are replying to a post by Sproty?
Quote from: Sprotyrover on January 01, 2019, 12:29:55 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on January 01, 2019, 09:42:33 am''Don’t expect Brexit to give us a British Alexander Hamilton''https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/31/brexit-british-alexander-hamilton-revolutionariesPS if you're mistakenly pissed off over thinking we are being badly treated by the EU, you ain't seen nothing yet if we do leave.What a load of twaddleThe point I'm trying to make here, well or not is that if anyone is thinking we will be in a better bargaining position with the EU following any type of brexit is going to sadly disappointed, happy for you to explain how this will not be true Wilts.
Quote from: SydneyRover on January 01, 2019, 09:42:33 am''Don’t expect Brexit to give us a British Alexander Hamilton''https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/31/brexit-british-alexander-hamilton-revolutionariesPS if you're mistakenly pissed off over thinking we are being badly treated by the EU, you ain't seen nothing yet if we do leave.What a load of twaddle
''Don’t expect Brexit to give us a British Alexander Hamilton''https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/31/brexit-british-alexander-hamilton-revolutionariesPS if you're mistakenly pissed off over thinking we are being badly treated by the EU, you ain't seen nothing yet if we do leave.
WiltsOur guest from London appears to be one of these people who thinks that a group of countries with a combined ANNUAL GDP of £14 trillion will shite it and offer us whatever we demand if we threaten to withhold £39 billion spread over several years. It's a quaintly amusing thought, but you DO have to hope he's got a grown up or two to look after him.
You know, I'm sure this sort of shit used to be a resigning matter for Cabinet Secretaries. https://mobile.twitter.com/Hayley_Barlow/status/1080528253075537920f**k me, what HAVE we become?
Unfortunately, we have far too many egomaniac gobshites like those two. What we are lacking is the sensible, logical, competent sort who make Government work. I saw a video of Tony Benn recently, from the 1975 referendum campaign. He reminded me of no-one from the modern era so much as Boris Johnson. Smooth, suave, bathing in self-confidence and with his patrician ease, spinning a line that I know for a fact to be a lie. We've always had his sort. Politics attracts them. We need more diligence and less ego.[/quoteBST, we have plenty of dills we need more gence to make it work
"Short-term financial ease" meaning "the country not losing several trillion pounds worth of economic activity over the next couple of decades"?I'd have thought that would be enough for starters.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 04, 2019, 02:16:44 pm"Short-term financial ease" meaning "the country not losing several trillion pounds worth of economic activity over the next couple of decades"?I'd have thought that would be enough for starters.You say that but it's not as if the Germans are going to stop selling motors here and the like is it, life will still go on.
Quote from: Axholme Lion on January 04, 2019, 03:44:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 04, 2019, 02:16:44 pm"Short-term financial ease" meaning "the country not losing several trillion pounds worth of economic activity over the next couple of decades"?I'd have thought that would be enough for starters.You say that but it's not as if the Germans are going to stop selling motors here and the like is it, life will still go on.The UK are going to have an advantage over the Germans when selling cars in the UK because German cars will be 10% more expensive in the UK.In return, the Germans are going to have an advantage over the UK when selling cars in 27 other countries because UK cars will be 10% more expensive in all those 27 countries. And you think they're worried? Jesus wept.
Unfortunately, we have far too many egomaniac gobshites like those two. What we are lacking is the sensible, logical, competent sort who make Government work. I saw a video of Tony Benn recently, from the 1975 referendum campaign. He reminded me of no-one from the modern era so much as Boris Johnson. Smooth, suave, bathing in self-confidence and with his patrician ease, spinning a line that I know for a fact to be a lie. We've always had his sort. Politics attracts them. We need more diligence and less ego.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 04, 2019, 04:59:32 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on January 04, 2019, 03:44:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 04, 2019, 02:16:44 pm"Short-term financial ease" meaning "the country not losing several trillion pounds worth of economic activity over the next couple of decades"?I'd have thought that would be enough for starters.You say that but it's not as if the Germans are going to stop selling motors here and the like is it, life will still go on.The UK are going to have an advantage over the Germans when selling cars in the UK because German cars will be 10% more expensive in the UK.In return, the Germans are going to have an advantage over the UK when selling cars in 27 other countries because UK cars will be 10% more expensive in all those 27 countries. And you think they're worried? Jesus wept.Actually it will be more than that Glyn, that's 10% on the cost of finished cars. The British motor industry uses a lot of parts not manufactured in the UK and all these will also accrue duty, so it will cost a lot more to manufacture cars in the UK. According to the SMM a no deal Brexit will cost the motor industry £2.7 billion with a 10% import tariff. Then another £1.8 billion on exports.https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/brexit/That's why Billy's favourite economist, Patrick Minford, said we should abandon the motor industry in the UK as we did with coal mining and iron and steel.https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/devastating-future-welsh-manufacturing-predicted-15323164So actually AL is correct the Germans' will still sell cars in the UK after Brexit, probably more of them, as there wont be any British cars to buy.
Quote from: wilts rover on January 04, 2019, 05:37:35 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 04, 2019, 04:59:32 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on January 04, 2019, 03:44:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 04, 2019, 02:16:44 pm"Short-term financial ease" meaning "the country not losing several trillion pounds worth of economic activity over the next couple of decades"?I'd have thought that would be enough for starters.You say that but it's not as if the Germans are going to stop selling motors here and the like is it, life will still go on.The UK are going to have an advantage over the Germans when selling cars in the UK because German cars will be 10% more expensive in the UK.In return, the Germans are going to have an advantage over the UK when selling cars in 27 other countries because UK cars will be 10% more expensive in all those 27 countries. And you think they're worried? Jesus wept.Actually it will be more than that Glyn, that's 10% on the cost of finished cars. The British motor industry uses a lot of parts not manufactured in the UK and all these will also accrue duty, so it will cost a lot more to manufacture cars in the UK. According to the SMM a no deal Brexit will cost the motor industry £2.7 billion with a 10% import tariff. Then another £1.8 billion on exports.https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/brexit/That's why Billy's favourite economist, Patrick Minford, said we should abandon the motor industry in the UK as we did with coal mining and iron and steel.https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/devastating-future-welsh-manufacturing-predicted-15323164So actually AL is correct the Germans' will still sell cars in the UK after Brexit, probably more of them, as there wont be any British cars to buy.Importing parts to be fitted to cars that are then exported in their turn doesn't cost any duty if done under IPR. But you have to maintain the audit trail and paperwork for it.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 04, 2019, 06:03:03 pmQuote from: wilts rover on January 04, 2019, 05:37:35 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 04, 2019, 04:59:32 pmQuote from: Axholme Lion on January 04, 2019, 03:44:52 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 04, 2019, 02:16:44 pm"Short-term financial ease" meaning "the country not losing several trillion pounds worth of economic activity over the next couple of decades"?I'd have thought that would be enough for starters.You say that but it's not as if the Germans are going to stop selling motors here and the like is it, life will still go on.The UK are going to have an advantage over the Germans when selling cars in the UK because German cars will be 10% more expensive in the UK.In return, the Germans are going to have an advantage over the UK when selling cars in 27 other countries because UK cars will be 10% more expensive in all those 27 countries. And you think they're worried? Jesus wept.Actually it will be more than that Glyn, that's 10% on the cost of finished cars. The British motor industry uses a lot of parts not manufactured in the UK and all these will also accrue duty, so it will cost a lot more to manufacture cars in the UK. According to the SMM a no deal Brexit will cost the motor industry £2.7 billion with a 10% import tariff. Then another £1.8 billion on exports.https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/brexit/That's why Billy's favourite economist, Patrick Minford, said we should abandon the motor industry in the UK as we did with coal mining and iron and steel.https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/devastating-future-welsh-manufacturing-predicted-15323164So actually AL is correct the Germans' will still sell cars in the UK after Brexit, probably more of them, as there wont be any British cars to buy.Importing parts to be fitted to cars that are then exported in their turn doesn't cost any duty if done under IPR. But you have to maintain the audit trail and paperwork for it.Thanks Glyn. So when the government said this about components in their impact assessments were they referring to spare parts or bits to be fitted to cars only for sale in UK:On departure, in the absence of an agreement on trade, this would mean a reversion to World Trade Organisation (WTO) tariffs. These are 10 per cent for cars and, on average, 4.5 per cent for vehicle components.https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmbeis/379/37905.htm