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We have to go to the EU and delay article 50.. no deal cannot happen, and cancelling article 50 and dropping brexit without a peoples vote goes against the original outcome.. Then whoever is in government has more time to sort this mess out..Or better, IMHO, cancel brexit which we can do unilaterally and then do what we should have done before, get an exit strategy agreeable to parliament and the EU and then offer that choice to the electorate.BST said at the top of this page what I have been saying since June 2016, the leave option was never clarified - surely folks could see that leaving the EU was never going to be as simple as jut leaving, period.??
Quote from: bobjimwilly on January 15, 2019, 07:53:08 pmWould Corbyn have called the no confidence vote if he didn't think he had the votes?He has no choice, she basically called him out and he can't carry on saying he's going to do it and then not.Many reckon she will win it. A big loss but again you listen to her and she impresses in her speeches tonight. Why can't she be like that all the time?He big thing is May wins tomorrow then what? I cannot see the Tories going against her really but you never know....
Would Corbyn have called the no confidence vote if he didn't think he had the votes?
Quote from: IDM on January 15, 2019, 08:17:50 pmWe have to go to the EU and delay article 50.. no deal cannot happen, and cancelling article 50 and dropping brexit without a peoples vote goes against the original outcome.. Then whoever is in government has more time to sort this mess out..Or better, IMHO, cancel brexit which we can do unilaterally and then do what we should have done before, get an exit strategy agreeable to parliament and the EU and then offer that choice to the electorate.BST said at the top of this page what I have been saying since June 2016, the leave option was never clarified - surely folks could see that leaving the EU was never going to be as simple as jut leaving, period.??“Surely folks could see that leaving the EU was never going to be as simple as just leaving”...........and yet the leave vote won.Says lots about the electorate.
2nd 3rd 4th we will vote till we get what we want.
In case people have missed itthat was the biggest commons defeat EVER and the first time in history more than 400 Mp's have voted against a government motion (although it was a much smaller parliament before 1900)
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 15, 2019, 08:00:07 pmQuote from: bobjimwilly on January 15, 2019, 07:53:08 pmWould Corbyn have called the no confidence vote if he didn't think he had the votes?He has no choice, she basically called him out and he can't carry on saying he's going to do it and then not.Many reckon she will win it. A big loss but again you listen to her and she impresses in her speeches tonight. Why can't she be like that all the time?He big thing is May wins tomorrow then what? I cannot see the Tories going against her really but you never know....When the No Confidence motion loses and there's therefore no chance of a General Election, Corbyn can then move the Labour Party on to supporting a second referendum to unblock Parliament. That's the only tangible result I can see, unless May somehow manages to lose this too!
After tonight's vote the EU seem to be saying the door is closed there is nothing to discuss.If this really is their position then there is nowhere to go except No Deal or a second referendum.There aren't any other options and if No Deal isn't an option then.....
Quote from: tommy toes on January 15, 2019, 08:55:01 pmAfter tonight's vote the EU seem to be saying the door is closed there is nothing to discuss.If this really is their position then there is nowhere to go except No Deal or a second referendum.There aren't any other options and if No Deal isn't an option then.....I have my Pen poised to place my "X" alreadyI will get a third chance to vote the right way76 Leave (I lost)16 Remain (I lost)2019 ?
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 15, 2019, 08:33:42 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 15, 2019, 08:00:07 pmQuote from: bobjimwilly on January 15, 2019, 07:53:08 pmWould Corbyn have called the no confidence vote if he didn't think he had the votes?He has no choice, she basically called him out and he can't carry on saying he's going to do it and then not.Many reckon she will win it. A big loss but again you listen to her and she impresses in her speeches tonight. Why can't she be like that all the time?He big thing is May wins tomorrow then what? I cannot see the Tories going against her really but you never know....When the No Confidence motion loses and there's therefore no chance of a General Election, Corbyn can then move the Labour Party on to supporting a second referendum to unblock Parliament. That's the only tangible result I can see, unless May somehow manages to lose this too!Aye. Corbyn CAN. But he'll have to do it through gritted teeth. If we go for a second referendum, that'll be one of his lifetime ambitions slipping through his fingers.
AlbieIf so much as one Minister abstains tomorrow, I'll buy you half a dozen pints before the match on Saturday. Barring enforced absences, I'd be astonished if any Tory MP doesn't vote for her. The whole VoNC thing is utterly pointless, although it does give May the chance to get back in the saddle with a quick win after today's disaster. As I've said before, you do begin to wonder whether Corbyn is a hostile agent.
By normal precedents, a defeat of 232 votes on a minority Government's flagship policy would see the Prime Minister resigning before the night is over. But we live in unprecedented times. But it the Leader of The Opposition cannot table a Vote of No Confidence when a minority Government loses by such a staggering margin then when can he?