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For those wondering where things go, here is a legal overview;https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/what-will-happen-next-brexit-and-the-parliamentary-possibilitiesIt gets a bit complicated, so the key bit from the full article is here;"So, this might be a way forward. MPs could amend the prime minister’s motion on her future plans, to require her to do something other than return her deal to the house for a second vote, or opt for a no deal Brexit. This seems to be the plan of a cross party group of MPs (Nick Boles, Oliver Letwin, Nicky Morgan, Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall, Norman Lamb, Hilary Benn). If their amendment were accepted by the Speaker and agreed by parliament, they would propose a new Brexit bill (already drafted). This bill authorises the House of Commons Liaison committee to publish its own plan of action for a new withdrawal agreement, and if approved by MPs, require the prime minister to renegotiate along those lines. (The Liaison committee comprises 36 select committee chairs, and is itself chaired by Sarah Wollaston, a campaigner for a second referendum)."
Quote from: albie on January 16, 2019, 12:17:57 pmFor those wondering where things go, here is a legal overview;https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/what-will-happen-next-brexit-and-the-parliamentary-possibilitiesIt gets a bit complicated, so the key bit from the full article is here;"So, this might be a way forward. MPs could amend the prime minister’s motion on her future plans, to require her to do something other than return her deal to the house for a second vote, or opt for a no deal Brexit. This seems to be the plan of a cross party group of MPs (Nick Boles, Oliver Letwin, Nicky Morgan, Yvette Cooper, Liz Kendall, Norman Lamb, Hilary Benn). If their amendment were accepted by the Speaker and agreed by parliament, they would propose a new Brexit bill (already drafted). This bill authorises the House of Commons Liaison committee to publish its own plan of action for a new withdrawal agreement, and if approved by MPs, require the prime minister to renegotiate along those lines. (The Liaison committee comprises 36 select committee chairs, and is itself chaired by Sarah Wollaston, a campaigner for a second referendum)."Interesting way forward. And a seminal moment in British politics. With a decent majority, the PM is effectively unconstrained. As long as they don't piss off their party too much, they can do more or less what they want (see: Thatcher's mad monetarism experiment that f**ked the economy for a decade, or Blair's mad Iraq venture). What this plan is suggesting is that the PM is the servant of the Commons, not its master/mistress.
Quote from: bobjimwilly on January 16, 2019, 08:06:05 amQuote from: Ldr on January 16, 2019, 07:51:35 amA Corbyn ministry terrifies meWhich of his policies terrify you?Probably the fact he's actually a terrorist which the Bible that is the Daily Mail has been telling us for years!I've just seen this last page but talking of the Lib Dems if they're the biggest pro second referendum party then they'll do well if there's another GE with Corbyn being pro Leave despite the members wanting another referendum.
Quote from: Ldr on January 16, 2019, 07:51:35 amA Corbyn ministry terrifies meWhich of his policies terrify you?
A Corbyn ministry terrifies me
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on January 16, 2019, 08:20:54 amQuote from: bobjimwilly on January 16, 2019, 08:06:05 amQuote from: Ldr on January 16, 2019, 07:51:35 amA Corbyn ministry terrifies meWhich of his policies terrify you?Probably the fact he's actually a terrorist which the Bible that is the Daily Mail has been telling us for years!I've just seen this last page but talking of the Lib Dems if they're the biggest pro second referendum party then they'll do well if there's another GE with Corbyn being pro Leave despite the members wanting another referendum.Can you point me to any terrorist activities hes been involved in?
Funny though isn't it? Corbyn was supposed to herald an age of New Politics. Straight talking. No ducking and diving and avoiding the point.That was always an immature thing. Politicians duck and dive because the HAVE to duck and dive, not because they want to. It's like Jack Nicholson in A Few Good Men. They don't always give us the truth because often, we can't handle the truth. So, if they gave a straight, simple answer to a complex question, they would be crucified by the media. Corbyn appears to be learning that late in life.
I just see him as a grown up "Rik" from the young ones
Quote from: Ldr on January 16, 2019, 03:13:38 pmI just see him as a grown up "Rik" from the young onesWell there's a concrete argument if ever there was one.
I’m not a Corbyn lover, he’s not for me, but these people that think he’s a Jew hating terrorist are just believing what they want to believe. It’s pretty clear what kind of person he is.
Quote from: GazLaz on January 16, 2019, 03:12:22 pmI’m not a Corbyn lover, he’s not for me, but these people that think he’s a Jew hating terrorist are just believing what they want to believe. It’s pretty clear what kind of person he is. More or less in a nutshell there, but I would add they are believing what the right wing media are feeding them
Aye.Except you don't get many mass-circulation media outlets as far to the left, or as far removed from inconvenient things like truth and accuracy as The Sun/Mail/Express are on the right. So there isn't an equivalence.
Quote from: RedJ on January 16, 2019, 03:24:31 pmQuote from: Ldr on January 16, 2019, 03:13:38 pmI just see him as a grown up "Rik" from the young onesWell there's a concrete argument if ever there was one.Its a statement of personal opinion, not an argument, there is a difference
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 16, 2019, 04:24:05 pmAye.Except you don't get many mass-circulation media outlets as far to the left, or as far removed from inconvenient things like truth and accuracy as The Sun/Mail/Express are on the right. So there isn't an equivalence.The devil's advocate in me would say the Mirror and anything by Owen Jones would suggest otherwise
The Government now support convicted criminalshttps://news.sky.com/story/conservative-mps-set-up-holiday-fund-for-convicted-tory-agent-11609064?
Quote from: Ldr on January 16, 2019, 03:26:58 pmQuote from: RedJ on January 16, 2019, 03:24:31 pmQuote from: Ldr on January 16, 2019, 03:13:38 pmI just see him as a grown up "Rik" from the young onesWell there's a concrete argument if ever there was one.Its a statement of personal opinion, not an argument, there is a differenceStating your opinion to back up a statement kind of is an argument.
Quote from: Ldr on January 16, 2019, 05:00:49 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on January 16, 2019, 04:24:05 pmAye.Except you don't get many mass-circulation media outlets as far to the left, or as far removed from inconvenient things like truth and accuracy as The Sun/Mail/Express are on the right. So there isn't an equivalence.The devil's advocate in me would say the Mirror and anything by Owen Jones would suggest otherwiseHow is Owen Jones "mass-circulation media"?And if you equate the Mirror's approach to facts with that of the Express and Mail, well...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46899466Well, that was worthwhile wasn't it?