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TRBChanges to the Political Declaration are meaningless. The ERG want a legally binding set of wording in the WA which effectively neuters the Backstop. The EU said before the vote last night (and they've been saying for weeks now) that won't happen. Because a Backstop that we can walk away from is, by definition, not a Backstop.This is all about positioning for the forthcoming Blame Game when we're faced with the real decision in February - Accept May's original deal, crash out with No Deal or go for Ref2.Of those three alternatives, the first is unrealistic given the opposition to it two weeks ago and the second would be lunacy. So the third will happen. But only when there's no alternative. And when that happens, the politicians all want to blame someone else for it.
The interesting thing is Corbyn also saying he has issues with the backdrop. So everyone is pretty much agreed on that bar the eu. In reality the backdrop can't and won't happen. It will be something else.
Quote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 30, 2019, 07:39:59 pmThe interesting thing is Corbyn also saying he has issues with the backdrop. So everyone is pretty much agreed on that bar the eu. In reality the backdrop can't and won't happen. It will be something else.But at least Corbyn has some sort of solution in a version of the CU/SM as his position. Go that way and you won't need a backstop as there won't be a border.The only problem is, though, we've no idea what version of CU/SM he's got in mind.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on January 30, 2019, 07:45:45 pmQuote from: big fat yorkshire pudding on January 30, 2019, 07:39:59 pmThe interesting thing is Corbyn also saying he has issues with the backdrop. So everyone is pretty much agreed on that bar the eu. In reality the backdrop can't and won't happen. It will be something else.But at least Corbyn has some sort of solution in a version of the CU/SM as his position. Go that way and you won't need a backstop as there won't be a border.The only problem is, though, we've no idea what version of CU/SM he's got in mind.I voted leave and I could get behind that. Was about opting out if a federal state for me
Why didn’t we have a parliament agreed proposed deal to take to the EU in the first place? Or better still, at the referendum.
May is now after bribing weak minded Labour rebels:https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-warns-his-mps-not-to-back-brexit-deal-in-exchange-for-constituency-cash-11623669Just like the DUP....votes for sale.I suppose it is just a logical extension of normal business practice in the modern Tory party.No moral compass, the Maybot is just programmed for corruption.
I am still hopeful there will be a Peoples VoteI get that there was a Vote and we voted "out" but as I have said previously the 1976 Ref produced a result of 66% Remain 34% Leave and for 40 years a swathe of Tories (mostly them anyway) carped on and on and on and on etc about Leaving the EEC/EU till they got a Second Ref granted by CameronThe 2016 Ref produced lets say 52 Out 48 to Stay and however we got to that point and however we got to where we are since that Vote it is clear - that vote is just too divisive to be sustained and though I probably wont be around to see what eventually "pans out" - and it may all be positive - I do think that with a Majority of just 3 or 4 % it is set up for future failure *I predict (usually badly - look at PvO) that the instant we are out that movers and shakers will immediately start pressure groups to get us back in. If the Leave group did not respect a 33% Maj in 76 why would a Remain (or by then Rejoin) Group respect a piddling 3% Majority ? IMO they would notSo there would be the beginnings of a Join the EU Party - opposite of UKIP I suppose and eventually they would have the support of a sympathetic Parliament and probably get a Third Referendum and who knows may even win to take us back in !The big difference is having been "out" for however long we would have a better idea of what it was had "happened" to us and the EU in that intervening 10 or 15 years AND if it was detrimental it would be easier to vote RejoinSo we are where we are - for better or worse - but before we take the next leap why not put whatever "we agree to" as a Nation back to the people ? They may decide again Leave is the option – who knows even maybe by a larger majority ?Or they may dislike what has been produced and decide Remain is the way to go - but at least the population at large would know - right then - at that point - instead of the estimates being made as to where we stand . This would be especially useful if there has been a shift in the position of the Electorate because if we Leave without testing the waters the Ref result will be forever set as 3 to 4 % and may prove unsustainable * for my reasons above* As I said previously we might as a Country decide all this fuss WAS worth it after all and be in clover