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TRBA tad melodramatic.What the vote tonight has done, is finally put May in a box and allowed Parliament to take over from a catastrophically bad PM.What this is likely to lead to is anyone's guess, but if it's put down the hijacking of Brexit by the ERG then it is a fine day for democracy.
Quote from: The Red Baron on March 25, 2019, 10:23:54 pmThe Oliver Left-wing amendment has been carried. Brexit is now over. A dreadful day for democracy. Goodnight and goodbye.What alternative would you have wanted? A third meaningful vote? This hopefully shows what would get through which IMO will be Norway+.
The Oliver Left-wing amendment has been carried. Brexit is now over. A dreadful day for democracy. Goodnight and goodbye.
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on March 25, 2019, 10:28:01 pmQuote from: The Red Baron on March 25, 2019, 10:23:54 pmThe Oliver Left-wing amendment has been carried. Brexit is now over. A dreadful day for democracy. Goodnight and goodbye.What alternative would you have wanted? A third meaningful vote? This hopefully shows what would get through which IMO will be Norway+.I'd be happy with Norway-plus or Common Market 2.0. But that isn't what we negotiated. Anyway, last night wasn't about other options. It was about Remain-supporting MPs thwarting the result of a public vote.
I think Norway-plus or Common Market 2.0 is the way forward. A lot of people think they are the same thing, but my view of Norway-plus would be Norway plus Customs Union - hence solving the Irish Border.I've been out this morning and heard a Tory backbencher trying to explain CM 2.0. The big stumbling block is that we don't stay in a Customs Union and have some kind of "arrangements" with the EU. It sounds like the same sort of thing that the ERG go on about, though obviously without SM membership. The woman really struggled to deal with the obvious objections about the Irish Border. So I suspect it will not fly, and even if Parliament goes for CM 2.0. The EU won't buy it.
There's less than zero chance that a Corbyn-led Govt would usher in PR, because it would mean that there would be no chance of leading us to a Socialist Utopia.
I actually think the Tory Party will be pretty irrelevant after this is over. Who would want to vote them into power? And their membership is in terminal decline. I agree that they will continue to fight over Europe and whatever deal that we end up with will not please a significant number of Tories.Hopefully the next GE produces a coalition that goes for PR and these parties will break up.
for example purposesSean Matthews #FBPE @microbabble · Mar 24 Voted Leave in 2016 and ever since seen the UK torn apart with hatred. Yesterday, I watched the news as 1,000,000 marched for solidarity with those I voted to abandon. THAT is the country I want back and what makes me proud of being British AND European #RemainerNow #PeoplesVote
I remember someone wanting those they called 'traitors' to be beheaded. But no doubt that was just anger and disappointment.
Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on March 26, 2019, 10:28:50 amThere's less than zero chance that a Corbyn-led Govt would usher in PR, because it would mean that there would be no chance of leading us to a Socialist Utopia. BST,Labour cannot form a government with a majority without reviving in Scotland.That is not going to happen, so Labour must aim to be the largest single party, which is difficult but do-able.In that event, Labour need a coalition partner, ans the SNP is the prime candidate.The price of that will be Labour agreeing an Independence referendum, and probably departing from the support of Unionism as in the days of Broon.
ALHave a read.https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100967/tory-mp-receives-death-threat-after-votinghttps://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/760339/MP-death-threats-brexit-harriet-harmen-jo-cox-warningshttps://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8160403/mp-death-threats-tory-rebellion/https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/theresa-mays-speech-prompted-death-16010796https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41237836https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/aug/30/mps-receive-identical-death-threats-image-severed-head-emailedhttps://www.itv.com/news/2019-03-04/itv-investigation-reveals-extent-of-online-abuse-and-death-threats-aimed-at-mps-in-exposure-brexit-online-uncovered/https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/scotland-yard-police-probe-after-four-mps-receive-brexit-death-threat-letters-a3764901.htmlMe, I don't think that's normal or acceptable. Do you?Bearing in mind that one MP WAS murdered in the 2016 Campaign, maybe we should all just stop and reflect on the atmosphere that the Brexit experience has resulted in.